AP is calling Israel’s attack on Lebanon an invasion.

essentialsaltes · Mar 27, 2026

Israel has moved thousands of troops across the border into Lebanon, and Israeli forces and Iran-backed Hezbollah militants have been fighting on the ground for at least three weeks.

Pommer · Mar 28, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
Israel has moved thousands of troops across the border into Lebanon, and Israeli forces and Iran-backed Hezbollah militants have been fighting on the ground for at least three weeks.

I thought this was understood earlier this week?

Desk trauma · Mar 28, 2026

It’s antisemitism of the worst kind to call Israeli actions what they clearly are.

Aryeh Jay · Mar 28, 2026

Desk trauma said:
It’s antisemitism of the worst kind to call Israeli actions what they clearly are.

It was swell what you did Bibi, it was really good.

Landon Caeli · Mar 28, 2026

Desk trauma said:
It’s antisemitism of the worst kind to call Israeli actions what they clearly are.

...Well, it's either antisemitism or just plain ignorance.

The proper thing to do, is to remove militant terrorists from Lebanon, since Lebanon having one of the weakest militaries in the world, can't.

Lebanese territory has actually been overtaken, to where Hezbollah has become "a State within a State'.

Hezbollah Shadow Governance in Lebanon | The Washington Institute Hezbollah Shadow Governance in Lebanon

Civilians under Assault: Hezbollah’s Rocket Attacks on Israel in the 2006 War: Hezbollah’s Justifications for Attacks on Civilian Areas Civilians under Assault: Hezbollah’s Rocket Attacks on Israel in the 2006 War: Hezbollahs Justifications for Attacks on Civilian Areas

AIPAC - Hezbollah: 100 Percent Terrorist Organization https://share.google/MvgbuFYAYo3gIPaYI

Landon Caeli · Mar 28, 2026

Pommer said:
I thought this was understood earlier this week?

While Hezbollah invades Lebanon from within, the world charges Israel with invasion...

"By design, Hezbollah is not the de facto governing authority in Lebanon, which serves the group’s purposes. By virtue of Hezbollah not being an official government institution, it avoids the accountability that typically comes with holding elected office. It continues to function as an independent militia while maintaining its influence in Lebanon’s parliament and developing a shadow economy built on a system of political patronage. This shadow economy has allowed Hezbollah to develop a “shadow citizenry” from whom it draws political support and a measure of authority, allowing the group not only to increase its power and influence but simultaneously to undermine the legitimacy of the Lebanese state. In regions it controls—primarily in southern Lebanon, parts of Beirut, and the Beqa Valley—Hezbollah provides social services, jobs, and welfare support to its followers, fostering dependency on the group’s institutions and making it the de facto enforcer of a system that encourages political patronage."

Hezbollah Shadow Governance in Lebanon | The Washington Institute Hezbollah Shadow Governance in Lebanon

essentialsaltes · Mar 28, 2026

Pommer said:
I thought this was understood earlier this week?

Yes, this is just the AP patting itself on the back for (now) calling an invasion an invasion.

Landon Caeli · Mar 28, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
Yes, this is just the AP patting itself on the back for (now) calling an invasion an invasion.

Is that opinion of yours (calling an invasion an invasion) supported by anything based in reality?

Who is actually invading Lebanon? Hezbollah or Israel?

essentialsaltes · Mar 28, 2026

Landon Caeli said:
Is that opinion of yours (calling an invasion an invasion) supported by anything based in reality?

You can read the OP, where the AP lays out its standards, and also the further obvious fact that this is not the first time Israel has invaded Lebanon.

Landon Caeli · Mar 28, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
You can read the OP, where the AP lays out its standards, and also the further obvious fact that this is not the first time Israel has invaded Lebanon.

Yes, not the first time, because the militant PLO, in Lebanon, was terrorizing before the formation of Hezbollah.

...Lebanon is too weak, militarily, to speak out against Hezbollah. Hezbollah is widely recognized as the dominant military actor in Lebanon. And while the Lebanese Army is a conventional national force, Hezbollah's strength exceeds it.

So since Lebanese officials know better than to speak out against Hezbollah, it shows that Hezbollah has already invaded Lebanon.

Landon Caeli · Mar 28, 2026

But I do thank the AP for bringing this 'invasion' topic to the table. It's a very useful conversation and topic to shine a light on.

essentialsaltes · Apr 6, 2026

In Lebanon, more than 50 medics have been killed by Israel. Some say they're targeted

Dozens of paramedics in bright red uniforms shuffle around a coffin. The victim is one of their own.

Youssef Assaf, a volunteer paramedic with the Lebanese Red Cross, was killed by an Israeli airstrike on March 9, while on a rescue mission in Majdal Zoun, southern Lebanon. His funeral drew hundreds of first responders, marching in a seaside procession in the Mediterranean city of Tyre, his mother's cries heard over the shuffle.

Lebanon's government says at least 54 health workers are among more than 1,400 people killed by Israel during the current invasion. Some human rights groups say first responders are being targeted — something Israel denies.

Whenever Red Cross ambulances rush to the scene of any attack, they send their coordinates to United Nations peacekeepers, who then notify Israel.

They followed that protocol on March 9, when Assaf got out of his ambulance at the scene of an airstrike to assist the wounded — and was hit by another attack. After his killing, the Red Cross' director of emergency medical services, Alexy Nehme, says he sent a message back through that same mechanism to Israel, "as a complaint and a question. Why? Why us?"

The Israeli military tells NPR it targeted a "Hezbollah military-use building" that day, and that "some people" arrived in the area "in the seconds between when the munitions were fired and the moment of impact," but were not intentionally targeted. Israeli troops "were unaware of the presence of Red Cross personnel in the area and certainly did not intend to strike them," the military said.

Human Rights Watch says it's too soon to draw conclusions about the current war. But HRW researcher Ramzi Kaiss says Israel has intentionally targeted health workers in the past, in Gaza and Lebanon. In 2024, his group documented three attacks: on paramedics at a civil defense center in Beirut, and on an ambulance and a hospital in southern Lebanon, killing 14 paramedics.

Amnesty International also says Israel is using the "same deadly playbook" to carry out "unlawful attacks on health facilities and health workers" without "any accountability or redress."

The Israeli military told NPR it abides by the law, but revokes legal protections for health workers when "misuse" occurs.

wing2000 · Apr 6, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
The Israeli military told NPR it abides by the law, but revokes legal protections for health workers when "misuse" occurs.

What does that mean?

Desk trauma · Apr 6, 2026

wing2000 said:
What does that mean?

They abide by the law until they don’t wanna then they don’t.

stone · Apr 6, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
Israel has moved thousands of troops across the border into Lebanon, and Israeli forces and Iran-backed Hezbollah militants have been fighting on the ground for at least three weeks.

When I joined this forum in 2004, Hezbollah was shooting rockets into Israel everyday. They were shooting them before that and everyday since. Israel has shown more restraint and willingness to cooperate more than any country on earth.

I'd ask, what took so long, but I already know the answer.

stone · Apr 6, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
In Lebanon, more than 50 medics have been killed by Israel. Some say they're targeted
Dozens of paramedics in bright red uniforms shuffle around a coffin. The victim is one of their own.

Youssef Assaf, a volunteer paramedic with the Lebanese Red Cross, was killed by an Israeli airstrike on March 9, while on a rescue mission in Majdal Zoun, southern Lebanon. His funeral drew hundreds of first responders, marching in a seaside procession in the Mediterranean city of Tyre, his mother's cries heard over the shuffle.

Lebanon's government says at least 54 health workers are among more than 1,400 people killed by Israel during the current invasion. Some human rights groups say first responders are being targeted — something Israel denies.

Whenever Red Cross ambulances rush to the scene of any attack, they send their coordinates to United Nations peacekeepers, who then notify Israel.

They followed that protocol on March 9, when Assaf got out of his ambulance at the scene of an airstrike to assist the wounded — and was hit by another attack. After his killing, the Red Cross' director of emergency medical services, Alexy Nehme, says he sent a message back through that same mechanism to Israel, "as a complaint and a question. Why? Why us?"

The Israeli military tells NPR it targeted a "Hezbollah military-use building" that day, and that "some people" arrived in the area "in the seconds between when the munitions were fired and the moment of impact," but were not intentionally targeted. Israeli troops "were unaware of the presence of Red Cross personnel in the area and certainly did not intend to strike them," the military said.

Human Rights Watch says it's too soon to draw conclusions about the current war. But HRW researcher Ramzi Kaiss says Israel has intentionally targeted health workers in the past, in Gaza and Lebanon. In 2024, his group documented three attacks: on paramedics at a civil defense center in Beirut, and on an ambulance and a hospital in southern Lebanon, killing 14 paramedics.

Amnesty International also says Israel is using the "same deadly playbook" to carry out "unlawful attacks on health facilities and health workers" without "any accountability or redress."

The Israeli military told NPR it abides by the law, but revokes legal protections for health workers when "misuse" occurs.

Hezbollah disguises itself. Sometimes they dress as woman too.

Aryeh Jay · Apr 6, 2026

wing2000 said:
What does that mean?

That they respect medical workers until they help the wrong people.

Pommer · Apr 7, 2026

stone said:
Hezbollah disguises itself. Sometimes they dress as woman too.

Do tell…

essentialsaltes · Apr 7, 2026

stone said:
Israel has shown more restraint and willingness to cooperate more than any country on earth.

I doubt that. They've defended themselves into taking more territory than almost any other country on earth. Probably #1 in relative size. And now they've defended themselves into starting another regional war.

Aryeh Jay · Apr 7, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
And now they've defended themselves into starting another regional war.

Pretty big region...

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