Are we still suppose to obey the 10 commandments?

kami79 · Mar 14, 2026

Of course you still have to keep the commandments (and that includes the 4th commandment to keep the Sabbath(Saturday)holy). I am talking about those same 10 commandments listed Exodus 20:1-17. Jesus himself told you in the book of Matthew what you have to do to get eternal life.
Jesus was asked this question by a rick young man as told in the book of Matthew 19:16-17, 20-21. (v16)And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? (v.17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." A simple, direct question with a simple, direct answer, "keep the commandments".

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good or whether it be evil."

So lets go to the very last chapter of the last book and see what it says about the commandments. Revelation 22:14-15 " Blessed are they that DO his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie". So we see that you have to DO something to get salvation. Even in the very last chapter or the last book in the Bible states that you have to keep the commandments. There's no avoiding those commandments!!!! Peace in Jesus Mighty name.

Freth · Mar 14, 2026

God is calling us to righteous character. The law of God is a reflection of His character, which is love. It is why Jesus hung all the law and prophets on love God and love your neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40), and why so many verses speak of obedience and love.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
James 2:8-10 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Also of note is the fact that Jesus was quoting Himself from the Old Testament. These commandments to love weren't new.

Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

If God's character is love, then His government is love, and love was from eternity past, long before our creation. The eternal nature of God's character and government should be reflected upon. So many think of the teachings of the Bible as fleeting or temporary, but in fact, unless God specifically states that something is done away with, it stands for eternity.

Yarddog · Mar 14, 2026

kami79 said:
Of course you still have to keep the commandments (and that includes the 4th commandment to keep the Sabbath(Saturday)holy). I am talking about those same 10 commandments listed Exodus 20:1-17. Jesus himself told you in the book of Matthew what you have to do to get eternal life.
Jesus was asked this question by a rick young man as told in the book of Matthew 19:16-17, 20-21. (v16)And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? (v.17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." A simple, direct question with a simple, direct answer, "keep the commandments".

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good or whether it be evil."

So lets go to the very last chapter of the last book and see what it says about the commandments. Revelation 22:14-15 " Blessed are they that DO his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie". So we see that you have to DO something to get salvation. Even in the very last chapter or the last book in the Bible states that you have to keep the commandments. There's no avoiding those commandments!!!! Peace in Jesus Mighty name.

On its surface, obedience to the 10 Commandments is easy. But, looking deeper, it's loving all that becomes difficult.

Larniavc · Mar 15, 2026

No you don’t. Not in this sub fora anyway.

Soyeong · Mar 15, 2026

kami79 said:
Of course you still have to keep the commandments (and that includes the 4th commandment to keep the Sabbath(Saturday)holy). I am talking about those same 10 commandments listed Exodus 20:1-17. Jesus himself told you in the book of Matthew what you have to do to get eternal life.
Jesus was asked this question by a rick young man as told in the book of Matthew 19:16-17, 20-21. (v16)And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? (v.17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." A simple, direct question with a simple, direct answer, "keep the commandments".

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good or whether it be evil."

So lets go to the very last chapter of the last book and see what it says about the commandments. Revelation 22:14-15 " Blessed are they that DO his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie". So we see that you have to DO something to get salvation. Even in the very last chapter or the last book in the Bible states that you have to keep the commandments. There's no avoiding those commandments!!!! Peace in Jesus Mighty name.

Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of the Law of God (1 John 3:4), so there is a direct connection between our salvation that being a doer of the Law of God and the key is to correctly understand what that connection is and is not. We can't earn our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of God (Ephesians 2:8-10), so that is not the connection. However, we can do works that embody our faith, such as with James 2:18 saying that he would show his faith through his works, and it is through that faith alone that we experience being saved, so that is the connection.

The content of a gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari, where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to experience driving it, but where doing that works contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to experience driving it. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, and something that we inherit is a gift, so he was speaking about what is intrinsically required in order to experience the gift of eternal life, not about the way to be good enough to earn it as the result. In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not extrinsically required to have first done those works in obedience to the Law of God in order to become saved as the result and we are not extrinsically required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather we are intrinsically required to choose to a doer of those works through faith because God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of them is part of the content of His gift of salvation.

d taylor · Mar 15, 2026

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To receive God's free gift of Eternal Life - no!

The only way to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life is to believe in Jesus for Eternal Life.

Soyeong · Mar 15, 2026

d taylor said:
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To receive God's free gift of Eternal Life - no!

The only way to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life is to believe in Jesus for Eternal Life.

Soyeong · Mar 15, 2026

d taylor said:
To receive God's free gift of Eternal Life - no!

The only way to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life is to believe in Jesus for Eternal Life.

We can't receive the gift of eternal life even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of God, but there are nevertheless many verses that repeatedly state that the way to have the gift of eternal life is through our obedience. For example, in Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, in Romans 2:6-7, Paul said that eternal life will be given to those who persist in doing good works, in Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him, in Revelation 22:14, those who obeyed the commandments of God are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life, and so forth. This combined with the many verses that say that the way to have eternal life is by believing in Jesus means that the way to believe in Jesus is by obeying God's commands. In other words, the way to believe in God's Word made flesh is by following his example of embodying God's Word. This is also why there are many verses that connect our belief in God with our obedience to Him, such as with Revelation 14:12 where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandment or John 3:16-21, where it connect believing in the Son for eternal life with our obedience.

timf · Mar 15, 2026

According to the gospel of grace for this age, salvation is by grace alone through faith alone that Jesus died, was buried, and rose again in payment for our sins.

Paul wrote that Galatians that they were not under the law.

Gentiles do not have to obey the 10 commandments or any other commandments that were given to Israel.

Having said that, it is not a bad idea to refrain from murder and stealing as it has a tendency to really upset other people. Coveting tends to poison a life with selfishness. Christians are supposed to mature in faith which means to become like Christ. This process is a transition from the selfishness of the flesh to the selfless love of Christ by allowing the Holy Spirit to work in us.

Love is said to fulfill the law since it is essentially selflessness.+

1Co 13:4 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil;
1Co 13:6 rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth;
1Co 13:7 beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

d taylor · Mar 15, 2026

Soyeong said:
We can't receive the gift of eternal life even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of God, but there are nevertheless many verses that repeatedly state that the way to have the gift of eternal life is through our obedience. For example, in Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, in Romans 2:6-7, Paul said that eternal life will be given to those who persist in doing good works, in Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him, in Revelation 22:14, those who obeyed the commandments of God are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life, and so forth. This combined with the many verses that say that the way to have eternal life is by believing in Jesus means that the way to believe in Jesus is by obeying God's commands. In other words, the way to believe in God's Word made flesh is by following his example of embodying God's Word. This is also why there are many verses that connect our belief in God with our obedience to Him, such as with Revelation 14:12 where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandment or John 3:16-21, where it connect believing in the Son for eternal life with our obedience.

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Christendom is awash in false gospels. The primary characteristic of a false gospel is that it requires you to do good works to be eternally saved. It rejects the sufficiency of Christ’s finished work. It rejects His free gift. It rejects His mercy. It rejects the one condition of salvation, which is to believe in Jesus. Instead of the simple message of eternal life, they add all kind of moralistic demands to salvation. It substitutes the saving message with religion and all the rules and regulations that go with it. It preaches ladder theology: keep climbing up to heaven by your own strength and maybe you’ll even make it!
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Ministers of Satan - 2 Cor 11:14-15 - Grace Evangelical Society

Soyeong · Mar 15, 2026

d taylor said:
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Christendom is awash in false gospels. The primary characteristic of a false gospel is that it requires you to do good works to be eternally saved. It rejects the sufficiency of Christ’s finished work. It rejects His free gift. It rejects His mercy. It rejects the one condition of salvation, which is to believe in Jesus. Instead of the simple message of eternal life, they add all kind of moralistic demands to salvation. It substitutes the saving message with religion and all the rules and regulations that go with it. It preaches ladder theology: keep climbing up to heaven by your own strength and maybe you’ll even make it!
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Ministers of Satan - 2 Cor 11:14-15 - Grace Evangelical Society

Then do you think that the verses that I quoted are promoting a false Gospel? In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of God was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to is a central part of the Gospel message, which is in accordance with him being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), so do you think that Jesus was sent in order to promote a false Gospel? In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never. knew them, so the reason why our entrance into the Kingdom of Heave requires us to chose to do the will of the Father by being workers of lawfulness is not in order to be good enough to work our way there as the result, but because that is that is the way to know Jesus. Again, do you think that Jesus was promoting a false Gospel here?

The content of a gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari, where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to experience driving it, but where doing that works contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to experience driving it. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, and something that we inherit is a gift, so he was speaking about what is intrinsically required in order to experience the gift of eternal life, not about the way to be good enough to earn it as the result. In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not extrinsically required to have first done those works in obedience to the Law of God in order to become saved as the result and we are not extrinsically required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather we are intrinsically required to choose to a doer of those works through faith because God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of them is part of the content of His gift of salvation.

There are many verses that repeatedly connect our belief in Jesus with our obedience to God's instructions, so we can't believe in Jesus instead of following God's instructions for how to do that. You've ignored my argument while burning quite a few straw men.

d taylor · Mar 15, 2026

Soyeong said:
Then do you think that the verses that I quoted are promoting a false Gospel? In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of God was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to is a central part of the Gospel message, which is in accordance with him being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), so do you think that Jesus was sent in order to promote a false Gospel? In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never. knew them, so the reason why our entrance into the Kingdom of Heave requires us to chose to do the will of the Father by being workers of lawfulness is not in order to be good enough to work our way there as the result, but because that is that is the way to know Jesus. Again, do you think that Jesus was promoting a false Gospel here?

The content of a gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari, where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to experience driving it, but where doing that works contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to experience driving it. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, and something that we inherit is a gift, so he was speaking about what is intrinsically required in order to experience the gift of eternal life, not about the way to be good enough to earn it as the result. In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not extrinsically required to have first done those works in obedience to the Law of God in order to become saved as the result and we are not extrinsically required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather we are intrinsically required to choose to a doer of those works through faith because God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of them is part of the content of His gift of salvation.

There are many verses that repeatedly connect our belief in Jesus with our obedience to God's instructions, so we can't believe in Jesus instead of following God's instructions for how to do that. You've ignored my argument while burning quite a few straw men.

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Receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life, has been made so uncomplicated by God and has been given only one condition by God, belief in Jesus (for Eternal Life). That is is very easy to spot false gospels. That even though they may use Bible verse's, their work based requirements stick out like a sore thumb

timf · Mar 15, 2026

It helps to understand that in the gospels Jesus was offering the earthly kingdom to the nation of Israel. This was the kingdom gospel. Paul had the gospel of grace for gentiles that did not include observance of the law. By considering who is being told what for what purpose it can help avoid the confusion that can arise if one thinks that everything in the bible is applicable to everybody.

There are similarities. The gospel of the kingdom requires that Jews believe the Jesus is the Messiah. The grace gospel requires that people trust that Jesus died for their sins. There are also significant differences. The kingdom gospel requires perseverance and eternal life at the resurrection. The grace gospel provides eternal life upon belief.

Soyeong · Mar 15, 2026

d taylor said:
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Receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life, has been made so uncomplicated by God and has been given only one condition by God, belief in Jesus (for Eternal Life). That is is very easy to spot false gospels. That even though they may use Bible verse's, their work based requirements stick out like a sore thumb

Jesus affirmed in Luke 10:25-28 that the way to inherit the gift of eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, so if you are willing to throw him under the bus in order to protect your doctrine, then you might what to rethink your doctrine.

Soyeong · Mar 15, 2026

timf said:
It helps to understand that in the gospels Jesus was offering the earthly kingdom to the nation of Israel. This was the kingdom gospel. Paul had the gospel of grace for gentiles that did not include observance of the law. By considering who is being told what for what purpose it can help avoid the confusion that can arise if one thinks that everything in the bible is applicable to everybody.

There are similarities. The gospel of the kingdom requires that Jews believe the Jesus is the Messiah. The grace gospel requires that people trust that Jesus died for their sins. There are also significant differences. The kingdom gospel requires perseverance and eternal life at the resurrection. The grace gospel provides eternal life upon belief.

The Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace that Jesus spread in Matthew 4:15-23 that called for us to repent from our disobedience to the Law of Moses is the same as the one that Paul taught based on the Law of Moses:

Acts 14:21-22 When they had preached the gospel to that city and had made many disciples, they returned to Lystra and to Iconium and to Antioch, 22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.

Acts 20:24-25 But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God. 25 And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom will see my face again.

Acts 28:23 When they had appointed a day for him, they came to him at his lodging in greater numbers. From morning till evening he expounded to them, testifying to the kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus both from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets.

Jesus also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be initiators of Paul as he is of Christ, so both Jesus and Paul taught their followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example. In Romans 15:4, Paul referred to OT Scripture as being written for our instruction and in Romans 15:18-19, he Gospel message involved bringing Gentiles to obedience in word and in deed.

In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in the Gospel of Grace/Kingdom that Jesus Paul taught and in what Jesus accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20).

d taylor · Mar 15, 2026

Soyeong said:
Jesus affirmed in Luke 10:25-28 that the way to inherit the gift of eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, so if you are willing to throw him under the bus in order to protect your doctrine, then you might what to rethink your doctrine.

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I have had too many discussions with you about this and i need to say no more.

Meowzltov · Mar 17, 2026

kami79 said:
Of course you still have to keep the commandments (and that includes the 4th commandment to keep the Sabbath(Saturday)holy). I am talking about those same 10 commandments listed Exodus 20:1-17. Jesus himself told you in the book of Matthew what you have to do to get eternal life.
Jesus was asked this question by a rick young man as told in the book of Matthew 19:16-17, 20-21. (v16)And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? (v.17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." A simple, direct question with a simple, direct answer, "keep the commandments".

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good or whether it be evil."

So lets go to the very last chapter of the last book and see what it says about the commandments. Revelation 22:14-15 " Blessed are they that DO his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie". So we see that you have to DO something to get salvation. Even in the very last chapter or the last book in the Bible states that you have to keep the commandments. There's no avoiding those commandments!!!! Peace in Jesus Mighty name.

Two things:

1. There are 613 commandments, not just 10. For example, there are commandments against incest, against assault, requiring care of the poor, and kindness to animals.

2. The commandments of the Torah, whether you are discussing all 613 or only the 10, were given by God through Moses to ISRAEL, not the world. "And the LORD said unto Moses, speak to the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL," not everybody.

Yes, they do INCLUDE the commandments universal to all humanity. But if you are not Jewish and reading, you have to sort out which of the commandments are universal. For example, there is no sin in a non-Jew have a nice lobster dinner or wearing clothing that mixes wool and linen.

You have brought up the 10 commandments as a way of promoting your idea that ALL people should keep thee Sabbath. Let me explain to you why keeping the Sabbath goes into the box of "Commandments only for Jews" and not "Commandments for the whole world."

The ten commandments are, as you are aware, recorded twice in the Torah: Exodus 20, and Deuteronomy 5. Each place tells us something about Shabbat that the other place doesn't. In this particular conversation, it is important that we look at Deuteronomy 5, because it is there that we find the REASON for God commanding Israel to observe the Shabbat.

Deuteronomy 5:12-15
12Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord your God commanded you.
13Six days may you work, and perform all your labor,
14but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall perform no labor, neither you, your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your ox, your donkey, any of your livestock, nor the stranger who is within your cities, in order that your manservant and your maidservant may rest like you.
15And you shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord your God took you out from there with a strong hand and with an outstretched arm; therefore, the Lord, your God, commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

The REASON that God commanded observance of the Shabbat is crystal clear: so that the Jews would remember that we were slaves in Egypt and God delivered us.

My friend, your ancestors were not slaves in Egypt. You do not have the same imperative to remember that I do.

I have nothing against Christians or other non-Jews keeping the Sabbath in their own way. In fact, from time to time I've written essays recommending it. But there is a difference saying "You can do this out of love if you wish," or "This could be a very healthy and soul feeding thing for you if you'd like," and saying "You must keep the Sabbath or it is a sin for you."

If you would like to have a discussion on what keeping the Sabbath means, and how it can be a wonderful thing for anyone, I would LOVE to have that discussion with you! Truly! Just let me know, and I'll start a thread on that topic.

But I just wanted to make it clear: it is an obligation for Jews. It is not an obligation for the rest of the world.

Meowzltov · Mar 17, 2026

Yarddog said:
On its surface, obedience to the 10 Commandments is easy. But, looking deeper, it's loving all that becomes difficult.

Yes, and honestly, that is the heart of the Torah. Rabbi Hillel (part of the generation just before Jesus) said, "What is hateful to you, do not do to others. That is the WHOLE Torah. All the rest is commentary." And yet we spend our whole lifetime learning how to apply that in real life situations. Reading the rest of the Torah helps considerably, but there is no substitute for time spent introspecting, examining where we might have done better.

Meowzltov · Mar 17, 2026

d taylor said:
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To receive God's free gift of Eternal Life - no!

The only way to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life is to believe in Jesus for Eternal Life.

God's gift to me? That would be the Torah. "It is a Tree of Life for those who can grasp it." Being a good person, kind, compassionate, and just, is intrinsically rewarding. There is the deepest peace and joy and pleasure in loving and serving God. I really don't need anything more than that as a reason to obey him. He is God, the King of the Universe, and worthy of my obedience. Any afterlife reward would simply be frosting on the cake. Baruch Adonai ham'vorach l'olam vaed! Blessed is God, who is blessed forever and ever!

Meowzltov · Mar 17, 2026

timf said:
According to the gospel of grace for this age, salvation is by grace alone through faith alone that Jesus died, was buried, and rose again in payment for our sins.

Hmmm. Here is what i see in your gospels when I read it with Jewish eyes:

1. There is only one time when Jesus is directly asked how one obtains eternal life, and his answer is the commandments. Not faith. Not belief.
Mark 10:17-19
17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’

2. Jesus spells out in the story of the sheep and the goats exactly WHAT standard will be used to divide the righteous from the wicked, and it is not faith, it is not accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and savior, it is not getting baptized. It's BEHAVIOR:
Matthew 25:41-46 (partial of the parable)
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

3. Despite Christians constantly claiming that Jesus abrogated the Torah, replacing the "Old Covenant" with the New, Jesus actually preached the exact opposite:
Matthew 5:17-19
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Last time I looked out my window, heaven and earth were still there. So is the Torah. Jesus said he would fulfill these laws, just as one fulfills any obligation. So, too, will I.

You guys need to understand something about Jesus that you seem to always forget. He was a Jew. He was one of ours before he became one of yours. The things he teaches are basic Judaism. I am not here to undermine your Christian faith--I truly hope you will become the very best Christians you can be. But I'd like for you to consider learning more about Judaism, the religion of Jesus. Why? Because it would give you a richer, deeper understanding of your own Christian faith; it would give context to your gospels.

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Are we still suppose to obey the 10 commandments?

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