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""Many of the largest savings that DOGE claimed turned out to be wrong. And while the group did make thousands of smaller cuts, jolting foreign aid recipients, American small businesses and local service providers, those amounted to little in the scale of the federal budget.

In DOGE’s published list of canceled contracts and grants, for instance, the 13 largest were all incorrect.""

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It certainly did.
The Donetsk People's Republic is not Ukraine; and no the Ukrainian NAZI's genocide of people of Russian heritage should not be left unanswered

Do you still think that Ukraine is a US puppet regime?
Is their puppet Zelensky still forcing Ukraine's people to walk into the bloodbath, at the bidding of the US?

Trump has relinquished leadership of NATO.
Great! So I'm not funding it anymore?

Do you still believe this?
Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

We are more isolated now while threatening the sovereignty of Venezuela, Greenland and Canada. The slaughter of innocent Russians continues unabated.
You left out Iran. That is where most of the resources are headed. It's all about China. We need to cut off their oil supply to protect our Imperialist ambitions.

We did the same thing to Japan before Pearl Harbor. That didn't go so well. China has far more people and is a much greater industrial power; but hey, maybe it will go better this time.

Venezuelan oil; Greenlandian rare earth minerals and strategic ports.
How dare they feel entitled to our resources!

DOGE was spectacularly destructive and corrupt.
How is rooting out destructive corruption, corrupt?
 
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It certainly did.
Most Ukrainians fighting in WWII fought against the Nazis as part of the Soviet Red Army. A small minority aligned with the Nazis. Kiev was never part of Russia until 1922. The Soviet Union bless them with Chernobyl.
After the Soviet Union collapsed, Ukraine declared its independence again (first time in 1922).
Yes, Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia had illegally occupied the Donetsk region.

Getting back to the topic, Doge has been a disaster for the US.
 
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Cutting fraud and waste from government agencies spending is never a bad thing.
Well those guys who hide behind gay muppets, to promote homosexuality to Muslim children, might see things differently.
 

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Cutting fraud and waste from government agencies spending is never a bad thing.
They caused more problems than they solved. Intelligent cutting of fraud and waste is good. That isn't what they did - which is why DOGE is no more.
 
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They caused more problems than they solved. Intelligent cutting of fraud and waste is good. That isn't what they did - which is why DOGE is no more.
No. They didn't cause more problems than they solved. Instead, they did indeed intelligently cut waste and fraud. While DOGE itself might be no more, we're still looking to cut waste and fraud. Apparently, there are multiple billions of dollars of fraud which have been found in the Medicaid and Medicare systems.
 
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No. They didn't cause more problems than they solved. Instead, they did indeed intelligently cut waste and fraud. While DOGE itself might be no more, we're still looking to cut waste and fraud. Apparently, there are multiple billions of dollars of fraud which have been found in the Medicaid and Medicare systems.
A government agency that sought to save its way out of existence seems wildly optimistic.
 
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A government agency that sought to save its way out of existence seems wildly optimistic.
I know some folks who were over at DHS, in departments far removed from anything visibly political (e.g. software dev, media production), and they describe a place where DOGE rolled in and installed a bunch of incompetent jerks who made it a miserable place to work and chased off a bunch of good people. One friend was on an AI initiative that had poached a bunch of ringers from the tech world to build systems to better fight various forms of trafficking, and that team is basically disbanded.
 
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No. They didn't cause more problems than they solved. Instead, they did indeed intelligently cut waste and fraud. While DOGE itself might be no more, we're still looking to cut waste and fraud. Apparently, there are multiple billions of dollars of fraud which have been found in the Medicaid and Medicare systems.
The ballroom. A waste.
Repainting the Presidential planes to.add gold. A waste.
Branding everything Trump can with his name. A waste.
Court costs incurred by government to handle all the lawsuits opposing his unconstitutional acts. A waste.
Dealing with his lawsuit against the government. A waste.
Deliver us from evil.
 
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I know some folks who were over at DHS, in departments far removed from anything visibly political (e.g. software dev, media production), and they describe a place where DOGE rolled in and installed a bunch of incompetent jerks who made it a miserable place to work and chased off a bunch of good people.
When a more successful business buys out a failing business; the employees of the failing business often complain when the new management comes in and shows them how things are done. They'll resist their new management complaining that they don't understand how the failing business was run. In rebellion, some will find new jobs, saving the trouble of the new management having to lay them off.
 
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A government agency that sought to save its way out of existence seems wildly optimistic.
Agreed, and the cuts in spending didn't even go nearly as deep as I had optimistically hoped.
 
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Court costs incurred by government to handle all the lawsuits opposing his unconstitutional acts.
I have read, and reread, the constitution; and I find it devoid of these alphabet agencies.
 
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No. They didn't cause more problems than they solved. Instead, they did indeed intelligently cut waste and fraud. While DOGE itself might be no more, we're still looking to cut waste and fraud. Apparently, there are multiple billions of dollars of fraud which have been found in the Medicaid and Medicare systems.

To have INTELLIGENTLY approached this they would have investigated each department, identified their function, identified what duties they carry out and how the interact with other agencies, identified what functions could be cut and why, made plans for how to phase out functions, services and agencies, or what other departments could take over functions or absorb them, and identified the waste/fraud/abuse. The people employed to do the work would have been properly vetted and passed security and background checks. They would have either had some knowledge of the department they were dismantling or taken the time to investigate and educate themselves. They would have sought legal counsel to make sure everything met legal standards.

Instead, we had shock and awe in line with the Trump doctrine of "Who's gonna stop me, boo?". People were being fired and then asked to come back after discovering they had a crucial role in our government after all. Or that the government acted in such haste that they had to reinstate them and pay them back pay. Many got essentially a paid vacation for months so we paid and got no work or benefit. Very efficient.

Monies promised in grants and various bills appropriated by congress were pulled back. People fought back in court and won, so the monies had to be paid out after all with a nice legal bill on top of it.

Agencies we rely on such as the NWS and people we rely on such as air traffic controllers were let go or offered early retirement. My weather apps haven't been accurate since.

Social security benefits have been delayed. People were cut off that shouldn't have been. Local centers were closed leaving people who often do not use or understand the internet without options for service, and staff cut so people were waiting hours for phone agents.

All our information was given to unvetted people and compromised. I think thst eventually the government is going to have to pay for credit monitoring for the entire country, which they will resist until one of Trump's buddies launches a service.

This is just for starters. Americans with children with special needs and in drug trials and a whole host of other situations were negatively impacted without warning. We have lost decades of expertise and other countries are more than willing to hire these people and fund their research and studies.

DOGE was many things, but intelligently operated was not one of them. It was a waste of time and money.

 
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I have read, and reread, the constitution; and I find it devoid of these alphabet agencies.
Perhaps we didn't need "alphabet agencies" when we were a new country of 2.5 million people in 13 states, in a much simpler society with no electricity, industry, technology, etc. Your assertion that the "alphabet agencies" are unnecessary completely ignore the reality of a population 150 times greater numerically, a landmass encompassing 50 states and numerous territories in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans, a global economy, and the other advocacy groups that you compare to the fighters for fetal rights: the abolitionists, the labor movement, the women's suffrage and rights movements, the civil rights movement.

In addition, these alphabet agencies are inferred in the amendments to the Constitution, necessitated by amendments such as the 16th that established the income tax.
 
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No. They didn't cause more problems than they solved. Instead, they did indeed intelligently cut waste and fraud. While DOGE itself might be no more, we're still looking to cut waste and fraud. Apparently, there are multiple billions of dollars of fraud which have been found in the Medicaid and Medicare systems.
Not true.

If they did it so wisely, why did they find real fast that they had to hire people back again?


AI Overview​
The Trump administration is rehiring hundreds of federal employees, specifically within the General Services Administration (GSA), who were laid off earlier in 2025 by the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). This reversal, occurring around September 2025, follows mass cuts that severely affected agencies like the GSA, which saw up to 79% staff reductions.​

Key Aspects of the DOGE Firings and Rehires:
  • Rehiring Efforts: Following massive, rapid cuts, the administration asked employees to return to work by early October 2025 after roughly seven months of paid vacation......
  • Reasons for Rehire: The layoffs were deemed excessive, with reports indicating they left agencies "broken and understaffed" jeopardizing key services.

7 months paid vacation because they fired too many? That cuts costs???
 
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When a more successful business buys out a failing business; the employees of the failing business often complain when the new management comes in and shows them how things are done. They'll resist their new management complaining that they don't understand how the failing business was run. In rebellion, some will find new jobs, saving the trouble of the new management having to lay them off.

It's also not at all unusual for the purchasing company to swoop in with a bunch of measures that cut short-term costs at the expense of institutional knowledge and product success, leading everything to be worse off except, perhaps, some of the shareholders.

In this case, DOGE wasn't "a more successful business" and this AI program wasn't failing. It was fairly new and stacked with top level talent all working towards a common mission that, ironically, would've furthered many of Trump's stated goals. DOGE nuked that so they could install some underqualified lackies to tattle on people if they weren't sufficiently bought into leaderships' propaganda.
 
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When a more successful business buys out a failing business; the employees of the failing business often complain when the new management comes in and shows them how things are done. They'll resist their new management complaining that they don't understand how the failing business was run. In rebellion, some will find new jobs, saving the trouble of the new management having to lay them off.
That's one model. Another very popular model was for the raiding company to find a successful company with a full funded retirement plan for its employees. The raiding company would buy the successful company using that company's own fully funded pension plan as leverage to get a majority position of its stocks - in other words, it borrowed against its future ownership of the pension plan to finance the takeover. If successful, the raider would then cash out the pension funds and replace it with "equal value" junk bonds, which being junk, would usually lose most of the value it had over time. The employees whose pension it was were left holding the empty bag. The raider, glutted on the funds, had no more interest in the formerly successful company and would sell or otherwise dispose of its acquisition.

This is one reason pension plans fell by the wayside to be replaced by "portable" plans.
 
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When a more successful business buys out a failing business; the employees of the failing business often complain when the new management comes in and shows them how things are done. They'll resist their new management complaining that they don't understand how the failing business was run. In rebellion, some will find new jobs, saving the trouble of the new management having to lay them off.
Treating a government as if it were a “business” is the crux of the problem.
 
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