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keras said:

Just listen to the Bible Prophets. What they plainly tell us, is the truth of the end times:

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I feel bad that you cannot seem to understand that you need to justify how you pluck those verses out of their context before those verses have any meaning for your particular thing.

I stand by the predominant amillennial evangelical interpretation of Isaiah.
He wrote about the Medea and the Persians taking out God's enemies the Babylonians. He wrote about the Jews returning under Cyrus.

It was so accurate that the Jewish historian Josephus hypothesized that a Jewish person had read these prophecies to Cyrus while he was on the throne, forcing him to consider this God from Israel and his duties to this foreign deity, and so he released them back to the land.

I find that amazing and encouraging!

Josephus is sometimes characterised as an apologist for the Romans. But he was far more nuanced than that.

There are a few passages where Isaiah's prophecies move beyond the coming destruction of Israel and Judah.

They move beyond the subsequent judgement of God's enemies.

In the midst of all these Babylonian gods toppling from there place in the heavens, while their earthly representatives are destroyed by the Persians, there's a moment where Isaiah lift his gaze to rest from all this warfare and trauma to more eternal answers that God has coming.

But because you only have eyes for your b grade sci-fi movie, you miss some of the most beautiful passages in scripture.

You also miss the historical power of these prophets predictions coming true in history, and the possible apologetic that is.

And the more I discuss these matters with you, the more you seem to think it is a green light to just sprouting your usual mantra.

But Keras - if only you would listen to what the prophets were really saying, and take encouragement from how it all points to Jesus.

If only you would let the message pointing to Jesus and the gospel give you more determination to witness to non-christians and try to convert them, rather than sprouting off your own message here and trying to convert us who are already saved!

keras said:

My message is what the Prophets actually said.

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How do you know what they said?

Do you speak ancient Hebrew?

Do you know how the audience received and understood the words that they used?

Have you read any apocalyptic symbolism outside of the Bible?

Have you once honestly looked at the points I made about Isaiah 13?

keras said:

As they lived way before we had modern research and study of our world, we can use this great increase of understanding to know things like Isaiah 30:26a is referring to a Coronal Mass Ejection.

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As the modern scientific world comes to terms with what a bow and arrow is, and as the historical world comes to terms with who the ancient kingdoms were that did get judged by history, we get an understanding of what chapters like Isaiah 13 were actually on about. It turns out after all these amazing advances in science and the historical method - that Isaiah 13 was actually talking about what he was talking about! Imagine that?

He was actually talking about arrows and horses and armies and enemies in local kingdoms, not future nation states 2500 years away!

Nor your silly Nicholas cage movie!

I answered this in the Mullah's thread.

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