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Beauty hidden by creed

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Perhaps others have noticed passages in Scripture which have an innate beauty of their own, but overlaid by our later creeds, masking their beauty. I would welcome any entries. (NOTES: (1) I recognize full well the zillion listings of all the bad stuff in Scripture, and anyone is welcome to start their own list of all that. I'd just like to focus on this one category. and (2) Yes, for many the creed laid over this passage is more important and outweighs the clouding of the beauty. Again, be my guest to create a thread. This is not for that.)
I'm starting at the beginning appropriately enough:
#1. "The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters."
Followed by this poetic rhythm. A) And there was evening and there was morning the (first) (second) (third)...day. B) God said, "Let there be.... C) And it was so.
This seven day rhythm, the connecting repetitive phrasing, and the wording that conveys the awe and overwhelming immensity of the universe is such an achingly beautiful poem. I hate that it is a jump start for the argument between evolution and creation. If something reads like poetry, and sounds like poetry and reaches your emotions like poetry, maybe it is poetry.
 

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Perhaps others have noticed passages in Scripture which have an innate beauty of their own, but overlaid by our later creeds, masking their beauty. I would welcome any entries. (NOTES: (1) I recognize full well the zillion listings of all the bad stuff in Scripture, and anyone is welcome to start their own list of all that. I'd just like to focus on this one category. and (2) Yes, for many the creed laid over this passage is more important and outweighs the clouding of the beauty. Again, be my guest to create a thread. This is not for that.)
I'm starting at the beginning appropriately enough:
#1. "The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters."
Followed by this poetic rhythm. A) And there was evening and there was morning the (first) (second) (third)...day. B) God said, "Let there be.... C) And it was so.
This seven day rhythm, the connecting repetitive phrasing, and the wording that conveys the awe and overwhelming immensity of the universe is such an achingly beautiful poem. I hate that it is a jump start for the argument between evolution and creation. If something reads like poetry, and sounds like poetry and reaches your emotions like poetry, maybe it is poetry.
Taking your example of Creation, how do the creeds mask the beauty of the biblical account? The Apostles' Creed starts:

"I believe in God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth."

The Nicene Creed begins:

"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."
 
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Taking your example of Creation, how do the creeds mask the beauty of the biblical account? The Apostles' Creed starts:

"I believe in God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth."

The Nicene Creed begins:

"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."
Because however true the Creed may be (or is, depending on your stance) it pulls one away from the beauty of the poem and the innate sense of wonder at the immensity of the universe in order to exploit the poem to make a claim about God's omnipotence. I don't dispute the claim itself. I'm just disappointed that the poem is dragged down to serve that credal purpose. Which exploit then triggers all the evolutionists who like to dispute it. So what is beautiful and inspiring becomes a mud-wrestling tournament.
 
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Because however true the Creed may be (or is, depending on your stance) it pulls one away from the beauty of the poem and the innate sense of wonder at the immensity of the universe in order to exploit the poem to make a claim about God's omnipotence. I don't dispute the claim itself. I'm just disappointed that the poem is dragged down to serve that credal purpose. Which exploit then triggers all the evolutionists who like to dispute it. So what is beautiful and inspiring becomes a mud-wrestling tournament.
I really don't see that people who believe in evolution are helped in their belief by the way the creeds talk about God's creation. Those creeds state that God created. They make no mention of evolution. I am not sure that Genesis 1 is a poem anyway.
 
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I really don't see that people who believe in evolution are helped in their belief by the way the creeds talk about God's creation. Those creeds state that God created. They make no mention of evolution. I am not sure that Genesis 1 is a poem anyway.
I do not take exception to any of your points. For many like you the Creed must take priority in the way we approach Scripture. I won't fault you for that. And, thus, you rightfully doubt the poetic side of the verses. Okay. So I refer back to my original foreword. This is not a list of theological premises. This is just a list of beautifully phrased verses which inspire simply by their beauty with no help from creed.
 
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I do not take exception to any of your points. For many like you the Creed must take priority in the way we approach Scripture. I won't fault you for that. And, thus, you rightfully doubt the poetic side of the verses. Okay. So I refer back to my original foreword. This is not a list of theological premises. This is just a list of beautifully phrased verses which inspire simply by their beauty with no help from creed.
I think you have read far more into my post than was there. I don't even recite the creeds, let alone make them take priority over Scripture. I agree that the words of Scripture are beautifully phrased (although how beautiful may depend on which language and which translation one reads the bible in.). But it is the meanings of the o words of Scripture rather than than their beauty that are important for theological understanding. Thank you for your reply.
 
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I think you have read far more into my post than was there. I don't even recite the creeds, let alone make them take priority over Scripture. I agree that the words of Scripture are beautifully phrased (although how beautiful may depend on which language and which translation one reads the bible in.). But it is the meanings of the o words of Scripture rather than than their beauty that are important for theological understanding. Thank you for your reply.
 
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Exactly my point. For many, if not most, Christians the Bible must serve entirely for the strengthening of faith. And, since it usually does a good job of that, I have no desire to question it or demean it. I just think, for some of us, there are passages in the Bible which are inspiring in and of themselves. And I think being allowed to appreciate them just for what they are is neither a crime nor a sin. Nor should it be seen as a threat to further Biblical edification that some of us may choose to pause and smell the roses. It's not a heresy.
 
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Perhaps others have noticed passages in Scripture which have an innate beauty of their own, but overlaid by our later creeds, masking their beauty. I would welcome any entries. (NOTES: (1) I recognize full well the zillion listings of all the bad stuff in Scripture, and anyone is welcome to start their own list of all that. I'd just like to focus on this one category. and (2) Yes, for many the creed laid over this passage is more important and outweighs the clouding of the beauty. Again, be my guest to create a thread. This is not for that.)
I'm starting at the beginning appropriately enough:
#1. "The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters."
Followed by this poetic rhythm. A) And there was evening and there was morning the (first) (second) (third)...day. B) God said, "Let there be.... C) And it was so.
This seven day rhythm, the connecting repetitive phrasing, and the wording that conveys the awe and overwhelming immensity of the universe is such an achingly beautiful poem. I hate that it is a jump start for the argument between evolution and creation. If something reads like poetry, and sounds like poetry and reaches your emotions like poetry, maybe it is poetry.
Beauty is truth, truth beauty" is the famous concluding sentiment from John Keats' 1819
 
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