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All of these different doctrines, Why?

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You have the Catholic Church to thank for choosing the books of the Bible and preaching the Gospel and preserving the Bible over all of those centuries. Non-Catholic Christians as well have persecuted and murdered Catholics well into modern times. Blaming sin on "religion" is folly.

Oh,... I can appreciate how the Catholic church has held onto the latin scriptures, I consider them to be a another great witness to the scriptures just like the Greek,... but their good points do not negate their history.

And I really thank those small churches that were sent those letters by Paul, Peter, and others for holding onto them and copying them for us.

Again, I'd rather take my chances with a relationship with Jesus and the leading of The Holy Spirit. I don't think I need to keep repeating myself here.
 
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Not possible.

John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.


When those verses were written, Jesus wasn't born yet and therefore, no New Testament.

Those books cannot be regarded as the complete word of God. The teachings of Jesus wasn't even there.

It's missing a great deal. Lots of blanks to fill and people "interpolate missing info". THis is probably why we get so many different doctrines.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

Again Paul says in Romans 15: 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

The scriptures are from Genesis to Malachi, and I can preach the second coming of Jesus in most all the scriptures through the prophets.
 
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"Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Your eyes have seen what the LORD did because of Baalpeor: for all the men that followed Baalpeor, the LORD thy God hath destroyed them from among you. But ye that did cleave unto the LORD your God are alive every one of you this day. Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it. Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people. For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for? And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons; Specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.” (Deuteronomy 4:1-10)

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

"I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever.” Amen. (Romans 9:1-5)

God also made this proclamation: "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:11)
 
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"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

Again Paul says in Romans 15: 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

The scriptures are from Genesis to Malachi, and I can preach the second coming of Jesus in most all the scriptures through the prophets.

The New Testament wasn't written yet when Paul said that.

And there is no verse saying that the scriptures is the complete Word of God.

You'll find these (and more) at the bottom of the denominational problem in Christianity that is if you are willing to get to the bottom of the problem.
 
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The reason we have all the different denominations and for most of the various teachings is because of reliance on Scripture alone. All of those differences result from people sincerely believing they have the right understanding of it.
No, Catholics invented many things that are not sound doctrine
 
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I dont follow churches. I follow the commandments of Jesus and his apostles. I keep theology simple. If I don't understand something I pray and let it go. Why argue over theology? The commandments of the new testament teach us what we need to know.
 
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You have the Catholic Church to thank for choosing the books of the Bible and preaching the Gospel and preserving the Bible over all of those centuries. Non-Catholic Christians as well have persecuted and murdered Catholics well into modern times. Blaming sin on "religion" is folly.
Actually I have Protestants to thank for my Bible. The scribes gave us the Old testament but Jesus rejected them. What makes you think that copying scripture gives your church authority?
 
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Over the years many have taught various ways to receive everlasting life. No wonder the world is full of so many denominations. All of these different doctrines, seemingly coming from the bible, tend only to confuse people. Most people don't know what to believe and simply choose not to attend any church sometimes.

This is a good question that I have pondered as well. From the very beginning God has placed humans in a world in which "other voices" exist. Voices that "profess to know God" and that even quote some of God's Word, but who promote a teaching that is contrary to God's Word. This circumstance caused Adam and Eve to choose between God's Word, or the words of another, and in my view, detailed the consequences of hearkening to the voice of others, not only to ourselves, but also for anyone we come in contact with. I have done extensive study as to the reasons why, but I am an advocate for self study in belief/faith, seeking the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness from the heart, as the Jesus of the Bible instructs. As it is written;

Heb. 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God "must believe" that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them" that diligently seek him.

Remember, we are created in the likeness of God, which I believe means we have free will to choose, just as God has free will to choose. And even God places limitation of His Own Free Will, like mercy, compassion just judgment. No one "makes" God adopt these traits, HE limits His Free Will freely, for the good of others in His Kingdom, and has instructed us in the limitation we should adopt as well.

It's a great study.
 
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This is a good question that I have pondered as well. From the very beginning God has placed humans in a world in which "other voices" exist. Voices that "profess to know God" and that even quote some of God's Word, but who promote a teaching that is contrary to God's Word. This circumstance caused Adam and Eve to choose between God's Word, or the words of another, and in my view, detailed the consequences of hearkening to the voice of others, not only to ourselves, but also for anyone we come in contact with. I have done extensive study as to the reasons why, but I am an advocate for self study in belief/faith, seeking the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness from the heart, as the Jesus of the Bible instructs. As it is written;

Heb. 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God "must believe" that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them" that diligently seek him.

Remember, we are created in the likeness of God, which I believe means we have free will to choose, just as God has free will to choose. And even God places limitation of His Own Free Will, like mercy, compassion just judgment. No one "makes" God adopt these traits, HE limits His Free Will freely, for the good of others in His Kingdom, and has instructed us in the limitation we should adopt as well.

It's a great study.
That's just it, all of the religions coming from Bible-only. The Church did not decide on the 73 books of the Bible until the late 300s.
 
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Actually I have Protestants to thank for my Bible. The scribes gave us the Old testament but Jesus rejected them. What makes you think that copying scripture gives your church authority?
The Catholic Church chose the 73 books of the Bible in a process that spanned centuries. Protestants dropped seven books but as their tradition keep the same order chosen by the Catholic Church in the late 300s.
 
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The Catholic Church chose the 73 books of the Bible in a process that spanned centuries. Protestants dropped seven books but as their tradition keep the same order chosen by the Catholic Church in the late 300s.
Without getting into the CC actual history, I’m going to dispute your assertion. First, men did not choose God’s word, God did. Men merely discovered what God had already ordained. I don’t think you are going to argue against the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures.

The books of the apocrypha have always been in dispute, Jerome comes to mind, and are not even the same books across the traditional churches.
 
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That's just it, all of the religions coming from Bible-only.
Well they do consider some of God's Word. But traditionally the religions of this world, who profess to know God, have always promoted disobedience to God, and they all used "some" of God's Word to justify said disobedience. But God's Word itself doesn't promote such a thing at all.

Was it not the same for Adam and Eve?

The Church did not decide on the 73 books of the Bible until the late 300s.

Personally, I don't believe a church had anything to do with deciding on what was to be written for us, for our sakes no doubt, in the Holy Scriptures. The Law and Prophets were preserved for centuries by the very religion that murdered their own Christ. It seems foolish to say those same priests decided what Scriptures Jesus lived by, that was to be read in the Jews Synagogues on the Sabbath Days.
 
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Without getting into the CC actual history, I’m going to dispute your assertion. First, men did not choose God’s word, God did. Men merely discovered what God had already ordained. I don’t think you are going to argue against the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures.

The books of the apocrypha have always been in dispute, Jerome comes to mind, and are not even the same books across the traditional churches.
All Christian Bibles in Europe from the late 300s (when the Catholic Church chose the books) up until the reformation contained 73 books.
Jerome made a note, as any good translator would do, stating that the Deuterocanonicals had been rejected by the major group of Jews of the day. Jerome took a lot of criticism for that note. In response to the critics Jerome wrote:

What sin have I committed if I followed the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me for relating the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the Story of Susanna, the Song of the Three Children, and the story of Bel and the Dragon, which are not found in the Hebrew volume, proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. For I was not relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they [the Jews] are wont to make against us. (Against Rufinus, 11:33 [AD 402]).
 
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All Christian Bibles in Europe from the late 300s (when the Catholic Church chose the books) up until the reformation contained 73 books.
Jerome made a note, as any good translator would do, stating that the Deuterocanonicals had been rejected by the major group of Jews of the day. Jerome took a lot of criticism for that note. In response to the critics Jerome wrote:

What sin have I committed if I followed the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me for relating the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the Story of Susanna, the Song of the Three Children, and the story of Bel and the Dragon, which are not found in the Hebrew volume, proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. For I was not relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they [the Jews] are wont to make against us. (Against Rufinus, 11:33 [AD 402]).
Jerome also stated that Judith, Tobit, and Maccabees were not scripture but that they could be read for edification.

“As, then, the Church reads Judith, Tobit, and the books of Maccabees, but does not admit them among the canonical Scriptures, so let it read these two volumes for the edification of the people, not to give authority to doctrines of the Church.” (Jerome, Prefaces to the Books of the Vulgate Version of the Old Testament, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Songs).

Athanasius was even more explicit as he explains which books belonged and the cannon and decried the apocrypha as not being scripture.

2 “But since we have made mention of heretics as dead, but of ourselves as possessing the Divine Scriptures for salvation; and since I fear lest, as Paul wrote to the Corinthians, some few of the simple should be beguiled from their simplicity and purity, by the subtility of certain men, and should henceforth read other books–those called apocryphal–led astray by the similarity of their names with the true books; I beseech you to bear patiently, if I also write, by way of remembrance, of matters with which you are acquainted, influenced by the need and advantage of the Church . . . 3. In proceeding to make mention of these things, I shall adopt, to commend my undertaking, the pattern of Luke the Evangelist, saying on my own account: ‘Forasmuch as some have taken in hand,’ to reduce into order for themselves the books termed apocryphal, and to mix them up with the divinely inspired Scripture, concerning which we have been fully persuaded, as they who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the Word, delivered to the fathers; it seemed good to me also, having been urged thereto by true brethren, and having learned from the beginning, to set before you the books included in the Canon, and handed down, and accredited as Divine; to the end that any one who has fallen into error may condemn those who have led him astray; and that he who has continued stedfast in purity may again rejoice, having these things brought to his remembrance . . . 4 There are, then, of the Old Testament, twenty-two books in number; for, as I have heard, it is handed down that this is the number of the letters among the Hebrews; their respective order and names being as follows. The first is Genesis, then Exodus, next Leviticus, after that Numbers, and then Deuteronomy. Following these there is Joshua, the son of Nun, then Judges, then Ruth. And again, after these four books of Kings, the first and second being reckoned as one book, and so likewise the third and fourth as one book. And again, the first and second of the Chronicles are reckoned as one book. Again Ezra, the first and second(4a) are similarly one book. After these there is the book of Psalms, then the Proverbs, next Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Songs. Job follows, then the Prophets, the twelve being reckoned as one book. Then Isaiah, one book, then Jeremiah with Baruch, Lamentations, and[5] the epistle, one book; afterward, Ezekiel and Daniel, each one book. Thus far constitutes the Old Testament. 5 Again it is not tedious to speak of the [books] of the New Testament. These are the four Gospels, according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Afterward, the Acts of the Apostles and Epistles (called Catholic), seven, viz. of James, one; of Peter, two; of John, three; after these, one of Jude. In addition, there are fourteen Epistles of Paul, written in this order. The first, to the Romans; then two to the Corinthians; after these, to the Galatians; next, to the Ephesians; then to the Philippians; then to the Colossians; after these, two to the Thessalonians, and that to the Hebrews; and again, two to Timothy; one to Titus; and lastly, that to Philemon. And besides, the Revelation of John.” (Festal Letter 39:4-5)

There are others such as Phillo, Melito, Origen, Cyril etc. My point is that the books of the apocrypha were not accepted as canon universally and even other traditional churches, like the EO, have different books than the RC. It wasn’t until Trent that the CC made it official for the CC.
 
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Can you tell where in the Bible Paul wrote which writings are regarded as scriptures?
2 Peter 3:16
as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which there are some things that are hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
 
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All of these different doctrines, Why?​


Because the realm of the Church is a battle ground because Satan desires it to be disempowered and confused.

We are to continue in the role of the Church Fathers and promote sound teaching rather than the doctrine of devils...

1 Tim 4: But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons...
 
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This is a good question that I have pondered as well. From the very beginning God has placed humans in a world in which "other voices" exist. Voices that "profess to know God" and that even quote some of God's Word, but who promote a teaching that is contrary to God's Word. This circumstance caused Adam and Eve to choose between God's Word, or the words of another, and in my view, detailed the consequences of hearkening to the voice of others, not only to ourselves, but also for anyone we come in contact with. I have done extensive study as to the reasons why, but I am an advocate for self study in belief/faith, seeking the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness from the heart, as the Jesus of the Bible instructs. As it is written;

Heb. 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God "must believe" that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them" that diligently seek him.

Remember, we are created in the likeness of God, which I believe means we have free will to choose, just as God has free will to choose. And even God places limitation of His Own Free Will, like mercy, compassion just judgment. No one "makes" God adopt these traits, HE limits His Free Will freely, for the good of others in His Kingdom, and has instructed us in the limitation we should adopt as well.

It's a great study.
You absolutely right we do have a choice, but let's take a look at what it all comes down to in the end. Let's go to Ecclesiastes 12: 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
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The New Testament wasn't written yet when Paul said that.

And there is no verse saying that the scriptures is the complete Word of God.

You'll find these (and more) at the bottom of the denominational problem in Christianity that is if you are willing to get to the bottom of the problem.
You miss understood to whole point of why it was written, but it's all good.
"Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read". (Isaiah 34:16)
 
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