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Disclosure Is Not Going To Be Fun & Games

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I thought moving past events we already know that happened, this might be an interesting topic given current events. Personally, I feel it’s a distraction given everything that’s going on in the political landscape right now. But I think this might make for an interesting discussion as compared to the constant repeats. So what do you think? Real or a distraction?
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Gosh. As Ross Douthat points out, we had better watch closely to see if the Department of Energy is on Trump’s list of “relevant agencies.” The DOE is where a lot of the UAP stuff has been handled.

If you haven’t already, read Diana Pasulka’s American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology, which was foundational for me in getting me to take all this seriously, for once. I just read an advance copy of her forthcoming book (July 28), The Others, and I think it’s her most important one yet. It’s only secondarily about UAPs, but is is about non-human intelligence and the future of humanity. In my view, it is not a happy story, but one that calls for people to develop their powers of discernment.

Readers of Iain McGilchrist, in particular his writings about the importance of protecting the ability to focus attention, will understand why what Pasulka writes in The Others is so important. That’s all I will let myself say about this for now. Not everyone will have the time or the patience for The Master And His Emissary,the gateway to McGilchrist World, or the monumental The Matter With Things (though a more important book may not be published in this century). If not, then read his much shorter Ways Of Attending.

And, if you haven’t yet read my Living In Wonder, might I suggest that you do, especially the (dark) chapter on UAPs and technology? The publisher, Zondervan, made the first chapter available publicly on PDF, which you can download here. The opening anecdote is about a Catholic experience I met, whom I call “Nino.” His story is extraordinary. He lived in denial for seven years … then the things started showing up. Even his wife saw them. They only went away after I counseled him to see an exorcist. Think about that.

Read this tweet from the scientist and mathematician Eric Weinstein, long a UAP skeptic, but in more recent years of the opinion that There Must Be Something There, because it’s impossible to explain a whole bunch of things, outside of a massive, brobdignagian conspiracy. In today’s tweet, he says:

I believe this is about disturbing secrets which people used to kill for, and this is going to be a LOT less ‘fun’ than people used to recreationally speculating about and UFOs imagine.
One thousand percent. There is not going to be anything “fun” about any of this. But we need to know it.


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The clearest evidence that there is intelligent life out there, is that none of it has tried to contact us.

Because *some* people tried to contact whatever is out there, are you saying they're not intelligent?

Are you saying they're stupid?

What's really stupid is not being prepared when something did come through and whoever received the message wants to get over here.
 
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Because *some* people tried to contact whatever is out there, are you saying they're not intelligent?

Are you saying they're stupid?

What's really stupid is not being prepared when something did come through and whoever received the message wants to get over here.
You misunderstand. @prodromos
saying if you were intelligent life would you contact us? I’m not sure I would seeing everything we see now.
 
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Because *some* people tried to contact whatever is out there, are you saying they're not intelligent?

Are you saying they're stupid?

What's really stupid is not being prepared when something did come through and whoever received the message wants to get over here.
@Michie understood.
 
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You misunderstand. @prodromos
saying if you were intelligent life would you contact us? I’m not sure I would seeing everything we see now.

I got him 120%

But I think you didn't get my question.

Are humans intelligent or really really stupid? Because we did exactly the opposite (and far worse) of what @prodromos is saying. Just saying.
 
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I got him 120%

But I think you didn't get my question.

Are humans intelligent or really really stupid? Because we did exactly the opposite (and far worse) of what @prodromos is saying.
No you don’t.

The intensity of navel gazing is not the same for everyone. Sometimes people just say things as they see them. Just saying. Not everything is a backhanded insult. Really.
 
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Sometimes people just say things as they see them. Just saying.

Actually, there are many people more invested on the subject saying the same thing.

Why would it be a smart thing for ETs not to contact Earth? It doesn't make sense to me.
 
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But I think you didn't get my question.

Are humans intelligent or really really stupid? Because we did exactly the opposite (and far worse) of what @prodromos is saying. Just saying.
If we discovered an alien civilisation and found it to be as prone to violence as our own, we would be very wise not to make contact. It certainly is a bit naive to be sending out feelers for contact on the assumption that any sufficiently advanced alien civilisation would necessarily be benign. I personally do not believe there to be any intelligent aliens out there, so I'm not concerned what gets sent out.
 
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Actually, there are many people more invested on the subject saying the same thing.

Why would it be a smart thing for ETs not to contact Earth? It doesn't make sense to me.
Well I tried to explain but no worries. :thumbsup:
 
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If we discovered an alien civilisation and found it to be as prone to violence as our own, we would be very wise not to make contact.

All the more reason to make contact.

But not openly but to spy on them. If they prove to be capable of rapid advancement or already at an advanced stage of technology to setup very long-term, ongoing espionage.

From a technologically superior ET perspective:

Establish local spy agencies on Earth, install deep undercover agents.

Infiltrate all branches of gov't in the most powerful nations, including dissident states like North Korea. Closely monitor technological progress, make sure countermeasures are always available. Even possibly to influence all branches of Gov't, information, finance, and technology. And to maximize efficiency, employ locals at all but the highest levels to serve covert ET agenda.

The goal eventually is not to invade Earth like in some horror sci-fi film but to exploit Earth's most valuable resource - human resources to work for ET agenda covertly.

Transform potential threats into a valuable resource I'd think what intelligent ET species would do.

If they're out there, you can't hide form them forever. Preemptive action would be a wise thing to do.
 
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