Trump administration pushing aggressive expansion of sports betting

Say it aint so said:

Not at all. I am talking about the hypocrisy of those like minded entities you named as in the Falwell, Dobson, Graham types. I realize some of them are not around to take exception to the Trump family foray into gambling, but those who do openly support him are absolutely silent come the push for more unregulated gambling into the US. It appears for them power trumps aspects of morality for them.

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I dunno, Franklin Graham been a lot quieter this trip around.

FireDragon76 said:

That's a matter of prudential judgement, not necessarily moral approval.

That's a cynical judgement that doesn't address the social dimension of regulation. The state, representing the public interest, is allowed to a portion of the procedes from gambling revenue due to the nature of the public interest in regulating an activity that can cause demonstrable public harms. This is about real public policy, not just protectionism.

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It's not cynical, it's what Nevada gaming/resort trade lobbying groups have done in the past.

When my state of Ohio legalized casinos a few years back, there were ads trying to turn the public against it...those ads were funded by Nevada-based trade groups who would much prefer that if some guys is going to go blow Jr's college fund at the card tables, he do it in a Nevada casino and stay in a Nevada hotel, right after he dines in a Nevada restaurant.

Nevada did the same thing back in the 90's during the Prop 5 fight, when California had it on the ballot to allow the expansion of Tribal casinos/gaming. Nevada financed ads to try to turn people against it, not because they had any sincere concerns about the impacts of gambling, or that they were afraid California wasn't going to regulate it enough (it's Cali after all, they wrote the book on regulation, and the zoning permits required to read the book...kidding, but you get the idea)

Say it aint so said:

Not at all. I am talking about the hypocrisy of those like minded entities you named as in the Falwell, Dobson, Graham types. I realize some of them are not around to take exception to the Trump family foray into gambling, but those who do openly support him are absolutely silent come the push for more unregulated gambling into the US. It appears for them power trumps aspects of morality for them.

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But per the stats I posted before, why would it be hypocrisy for people who are okay with gambling, to not call him out for expanding gambling?

If you look at the charts and links I posted before, there's not a single demographic group where over half think gambling is morally wrong.



Who, exactly, is this group that's supposed to be calling him out for lack of consistency?

Even the "nearly weekly" church group, fewer than 1/3 think it's morally wrong.

The Falwell/Dobson types of have been a dwindling breed for quite some time.

That can also be evidenced by how red states have voted on other issues (that never would have flown back in the 80's). Like the deep red states that have voted to legalized pot, or the number of red states that, after the overturning of Roe, voted to officially legalize abortion.

Trying to claim that modern day republicans are hypocrites because they're not as die-hard as Jerry Falwell was back in the 80's isn't a fair critique.

You should be thankful they're not. If social attitudes among the GOP were the same now as they were back in the 80s, and given how Trump likes to pander to his base, you should be glad they've shifted on some of those issues. In an alternate timeline, we could be having a discussion about Trump trying to outlaw rated-R movies.

ThatRobGuy said:

But per the stats I posted before, why would it be hypocrisy for people who are okay with gambling, to not call him out for expanding gambling?

If you look at the charts and links I posted before, there's not a single demographic group where over half think gambling is morally wrong.

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Who, exactly, is this group that's supposed to be calling him out for lack of consistency?

Even the "nearly weekly" church group, fewer than 1/3 think it's morally wrong.

The Falwell/Dobson types of have been a dwindling breed for quite some time.

That can also be evidenced by how red states have voted on other issues (that never would have flown back in the 80's). Like the deep red states that have voted to legalized pot, or the number of red states that, after the overturning of Roe, voted to officially legalize abortion.

Trying to claim that modern day republicans are hypocrites because they're not as die-hard as Jerry Falwell was back in the 80's isn't a fair critique.

You should be thankful they're not. If social attitudes among the GOP were the same now as they were back in the 80s, and given how Trump likes to pander to his base, you should be glad they've shifted on some of those issues. In an alternate timeline, we could be having a discussion about Trump trying to outlaw rated-R movies.

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The religious right. That's who I am calling out in rank hypocrisy. Sorry you had to do so much work to critique a point I am not making.