The Unpardonable Sin

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-21T14:26:29-0600

d taylor said:
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What does believers retaining the sins of a person, have to do with receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life.

How many times does The Bible have to say Jesus has taken away the sin of the world for you to believe this.

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
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that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
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And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Sadly you didn't see fit to process the issue I raised from Scripture but doubled down into your thesis.

Wisdom and reason go hand in hand (James 3) Some can reason around what they believe is the Truth and some can't.

One therefore questions the validity of teaching that is presented with tunnel vision incapable of discussion.

The Church was given authority to retain sins (render them unforgiven) you don't seem to want to engage in conversation about this.

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-21T14:30:20-0600

d taylor said:
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A few podcast on forgiveness of sin

Forgiven – Grace Evangelical Society

Thanks for disclosing the source of your dialogue.

Try tossing out all 'Christian' teaching and read the bible alone devotionally for 5 years in a stretch.

Then come back and share what He is saying.

d taylor · 2026-02-21T15:19:45-0600

Carl Emerson said:
Sadly you didn't see fit to process the issue I raised from Scripture but doubled down into your thesis.

Wisdom and reason go hand in hand (James 3) Some can reason around what they believe is the Truth and some can't.

One therefore questions the validity of teaching that is presented with tunnel vision incapable of discussion.

The Church was given authority to retain sins (render them unforgiven) you don't seem to want to engage in conversation about this.

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I did and addressed your improper use and misunderstanding of scripture.

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-21T15:24:42-0600

d taylor said:
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I did and addressed your improper use and misunderstanding of scripture.

Good try...

You just rattled out bible verses from your mentors but didn't engage with the question.

d taylor · 2026-02-21T15:48:05-0600

Carl Emerson said:
Good try...

You just rattled out bible verses from your mentors but didn't engage with the question.

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Your misunderstanding is very high, this is not the first encounter i have had with you. Where you were off-based in your theology.

In which i really see no need in engaging in any more discussions with you.

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-21T17:27:14-0600

d taylor said:
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Your misunderstanding is very high, this is not the first encounter i have had with you. Where you were off-based in your theology.

In which i really see no need in engaging in any more discussions with you.

Let the reader decide who is "off-based"...

Have a great day.

BrotherJJ · 2026-02-22T07:41:56-0600

d taylor said:
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What does believers retaining the sins of a person, have to do with receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life.

How many times does The Bible have to say Jesus has taken away the sin of the world for you to believe this.

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
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that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
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And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

When Scripture says Christ died for ""the world,"" it is describing the scope of His atoning work, not the automatic application of it.

John 1:29, 2 Corinthians 5:19 & 1 John 2:2 all teach that Jesus is the only Lamb, the only Reconciler & the only Propitiation available to anyone in the world, but none of these verses say the world is automatically forgiven. Provision is universal; application is conditional.

If ""world"" meant every individual is already forgiven, then Jesus' warnings about unbelief, judgment & perishing would be meaningless & the apostles' calls to repent & belief would be unnecessary.

The New Testament consistently distinguishes between what Christ accomplished for all. But is only applied to those who call on Him to be Lord of their life while believing/trusting in His sin atoning death & resurrection.

d taylor · 2026-02-22T07:51:28-0600

BrotherJJ said:
When Scripture says Christ died for ""the world,"" it is describing the scope of His atoning work, not the automatic application of it.

John 1:29, 2 Corinthians 5:19 & 1 John 2:2 all teach that Jesus is the only Lamb, the only Reconciler & the only Propitiation available to anyone in the world, but none of these verses say the world is automatically forgiven. Provision is universal; application is conditional.

If ""world"" meant every individual is already forgiven, then Jesus' warnings about unbelief, judgment & perishing would be meaningless & the apostles' calls to repent & belief would be unnecessary.

The New Testament consistently distinguishes between what Christ accomplished for all & what is received only by those who believe.

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Forgiveness of sin has noting to do with a person believing in Jesus for Eternal Life. A unbeliever has had their sin accounted for on the cross and forgiven, but an unbeliever ends up in the lake of fire because they never believed in Jesus for Eternal Life.

It is that simple.

BrotherJJ · 2026-02-22T08:51:49-0600

d taylor said:
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Forgiveness of sin has noting to do with a person believing in Jesus for Eternal Life. A unbeliever has had their sin accounted for on the cross and forgiven, but an unbeliever ends up in the lake of fire because they never believed in Jesus for Eternal Life.

It is that simple.

If everyone's sins are forgiven. How explain what Jesus said here:

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

How can someone ""die in there sins"" if theirs sins have been forgiven?

d taylor · 2026-02-22T09:34:48-0600

BrotherJJ said:
If everyone's sins are forgiven. How explain what Jesus said here:

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

How can someone ""die in there sins"" if theirs sins have been forgiven?

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Because dying in ones sins means they never believe in Jesus and will remain a sinner for all of eternity. Where as a person who has believed in Jesus for Eternal Life only remains a sinner till they die. Once they die physically on earth they cease being a sinner for all of eternity.

So a believer in Jesus for Eternal Life is no longer a slave to sin (even though they still may sin). But an unbeliever will always remain a slave to sin now on earth and after they die and into eternity where their worm never dies.

BrotherJJ · 2026-02-22T10:11:40-0600

d taylor said:
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Because dying in ones sins means they never believe in Jesus and will remain a sinner for all of eternity. Where as a person who has believed in Jesus for Eternal Life only remains a sinner till they die. Once they die physically on earth they cease being a sinner for all of eternity.

So a believer in Jesus for Eternal Life is no longer a slave to sin (even though they still may sin). But an unbeliever will always remain a slave to sin now on earth and after they die and into eternity where their worm never dies.

You didn't' answer my question.

Jesus said, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (Jn 8:24)
(NOTE; Twice in this verse Jesus say's an unbeliever will die in their sins)

So how can someone ""die in there sins"" if theirs sins have been forgiven?

When a person accepts Christ as Lord & Savior. They can still sin but their no longer a sinner. Their stated positional identity becomes “saint,” “child of God,” “new creation,” & “righteous in Christ.”

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
(NOTE: If the unbelievers sin had already been forgiven, they wouldn't need a cloke!)

weary2025 · 2026-02-22T10:13:41-0600

I dont ponder this sin. I cant survive by thinking that im unforgivable. I must have faith

d taylor · 2026-02-22T10:53:08-0600

BrotherJJ said:
You didn't' answer my question.

Jesus said, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (Jn 8:24)

So how can someone ""die in there sins"" if theirs sins have been forgiven?

When a person accepts Christ as Lord & Savior. They can still sin but their no longer a sinner. Their identity becomes “saint,” “child of God,” “new creation,” & “righteous in Christ.”

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
(NOTE: If the unbelievers sin had already been forgiven, they wouldn't need a cloke!)

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Do not say i did not answer you question, just because you do believe my answer. So since you do not believe my answer, I have noting else to say to you.

weary2025 · 2026-02-22T10:54:32-0600

Carl Emerson said:
Sadly you didn't see fit to process the issue I raised from Scripture but doubled down into your thesis.

Wisdom and reason go hand in hand (James 3) Some can reason around what they believe is the Truth and some can't.

One therefore questions the validity of teaching that is presented with tunnel vision incapable of discussion.

The Church was given authority to retain sins (render them unforgiven) you don't seem to want to engage in conversation about this.

The church has no such authority. They cant even judge their own faults let alone mine

BrotherJJ · 2026-02-22T11:00:30-0600

d taylor said:
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Do not say i did not answer you question, just because you do believe my answer. So since you do not believe my answer, I have noting else to say to you.

You didn't' answer my question.

Jesus said, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (Jn 8:24)

So how can someone ""die in there sins"" if theirs sins have been forgiven?

When a person accepts Christ as Lord & Savior. They can still sin but their no longer a sinner. Their identity becomes “saint,” “child of God,” “new creation,” & “righteous in Christ.”

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
(NOTE: If the unbelievers sin had already been forgiven, they wouldn't need a cloke!)

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-22T12:37:54-0600

weary2025 said:
The church has no such authority. They cant even judge their own faults let alone mine

When I say the Church, I mean the Church we read of in Scripture.

I have seen serious authority in action in Jesus name today, but this is rare.

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-22T12:40:22-0600

d taylor said:
Forgiveness of sin has noting to do with a person believing in Jesus for Eternal Life.

Repentance from sin is consistently called for by the Apostles in Scripture.

weary2025 · 2026-02-22T12:42:40-0600

Carl Emerson said:
When I say the Church, I mean the Church we read of in Scripture.

I have seen serious authority in action in Jesus name today, but this is rare.

I see Christians ignoring commandments while their church leaders are silent. I trust none of them anymore.

BelieveItOarKnot · 2026-02-22T13:25:24-0600

Linda426 said:
Im making the statement that people are
Taught in scripture they are to hold unclean
Thought captive, im reiterating what all
People are to do.

Doesn't make it different than what it is.

Point being it happens and we can't stop it from happening

Linda426 said:
Any thought God would not approve of.

God bound all people to disobedience. Do the math from there. Romans 11:32

Linda426 said:
The emphasis is training the thoughts
From the new life lived, from what people
See and choose to do, when the new
Life is there it shows itself its not a
Struggle at all.

Paul describes exactly what and how it happens in Romans 7. Quite beyond his control. Dominion over does not mean eradication.

Linda426 said:
Raised in the church and being a woman
Was and is this kind of life since i hate
Evil and lies and all impurities.

Well, claim what you will. Evil doesn't change its spots for anyone

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-22T13:32:31-0600

weary2025 said:
I see Christians ignoring commandments while their church leaders are silent. I trust none of them anymore.

Our trust must be in Jesus first of course.

We were told that fellowship would always be a mix of wheat and tares and also seekers.

We can see from the seven letters to churches that serious correction was needed after a short period.

Churches that don't heed such correction loose their lamp stand - i.e. the Holy Spirit will literally 'go out' - hence no more light.

This is a serious issue and it takes more than a building and a leader to be a true living church.

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