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You avoided what I said. Many people knew what he did over those (at least) 19 years. It wasn't a secret.
Trump knew Epstein was trafficking and abusing children before he was under investigation in 2006. If it were you, would you have reported Epstein as soon as you knew this, or would you wait until he was under investigation to say something about it like Trump did?
 
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Trump knew Epstein was trafficking and abusing children before he was under investigation in 2006. If you were Trump, would you have reported Epstein, or would you wait until he was under investigation to say something about it?
I see you're focused on only one thing, so I'm going to try expanding your viewpoint on how well-known Epstein's crimes were, including by the authorities:

Here's a very small portion of an article you may find enlightening:

2005​

March: Police open a criminal investigation into Epstein in Palm Beach, Fla., after a 14-year-old girl's parents say he paid her for a massage.


Police gather more allegations from underage girls who say he sexually abused them at his mansion, in encounters that often began as massages. Federal prosecutors later say the abuse began as early as 2002.

2006​

July 19: A Palm Beach County grand jury indicts Epstein on one state felony charge of solicitation of prostitution. But the Palm Beach Police Department's chief and lead detective then refer the case to a nearby FBI office, saying the charge doesn't reflect "the totality of Epstein's conduct," according to the Justice Department's review of the case.


2007​

May: An assistant U.S. attorney — who has been working with two FBI agents to find more victims — submits a draft indictment outlining 60 criminal counts against Epstein, along with a memo summarizing the evidence assembled against him.​



July: Epstein's attorneys meet with the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida. The top prosecutor was then-U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta (who in 2017 would become President Trump's Labor Secretary). The U.S. Attorney's Office offers to end its investigation if Epstein pleads guilty to two state charges and agrees to accept a prison term, register as a sexual offender, and set up a way for his victims to obtain monetary damages.

The article goes on with much more and can be found here: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/25/nx-s1-5478620/jeffrey-epstein-crimes-timeline-legal-case
 

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I see you're focused on only one thing, so I'm going to try expanding your viewpoint on how well-known Epstein's crimes were, including by the authorities:
I responded to someone who falsely claimed that Trump made the first phone calls to the police. That is why I'm focused on Trump. It doesn't matter how many people knew what Epstein was doing. Trump knew he was sexually abusing and trafficking children before the authorities did but said nothing. That's why I asked you what you would do if you knew someone was doing what Epstein was doing. It was a simple question.
 
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This isn't true.

A former Florida police chief said he received a call from Donald Trump in 2006 in which the now-president told him "everyone" knows about Jeffrey Epstein’s behaviour, according to an FBI document released by the justice department.

The document is a written record of a 2019 FBI interview with the former Palm Beach police chief, who alleges Trump called him after the department launched an investigation into Epstein and said:
"Thank goodness you're stopping him, everyone has known he's been doing this."

Trump's call shows that he knew all along that Epstein was a pedophile and didn't report him. He was protecting a pedophile then, and his administration continues to protect pedophiles today.
And what about the billion other elite people who were involved with Epstein or knew what he was doing and didn't blow the whistle?

Oh right. Trump. Gotcha
 
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And what about the billion other elite people who were involved with Epstein or knew what he was doing and didn't blow the whistle?
None of them are the President of the United States, but don't you think someone should have reported him to the authorities? Shouldn't Trump have reported him at the time? If everyone in your neighborhood, including yourself, knew that the guy living next to you was sexually abusing and trafficking children, would you report him to the police, or would you just ignore his crimes like the rest of your neighbors?
 
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I responded to someone who falsely claimed that Trump made the first phone calls to the police. That is why I'm focused on Trump. It doesn't matter how many people knew what Epstein was doing. Trump knew he was sexually abusing and trafficking children before the authorities did but said nothing. That's why I asked you what you would do if you knew someone was doing what Epstein was doing. It was a simple question.
To address your concerns, yes I would do that. As you can see in the article I pointed out to you, many people made phone calls reporting Epstein. Some were acted upon, and others weren't. Focusing on what Trump did or did not do is hardly worthy of doing unless protecting victims and getting justice for them is really not the goal of people who focus only on what Trump did or did not do.
 

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None of them are the President of the United States, but don't you think someone should have reported him to the authorities? Shouldn't Trump have reported him at the time? If everyone in your neighborhood, including yourself, knew that the guy living next to you was sexually abusing and trafficking children, would you report him to the police, or would you just ignore his crimes like the rest of your neighbors?
Hey! Once again, he WAS reported. Read the article I showed you and learn that.
 
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To address your concerns, yes I would do that.
That's good to hear.

Hey! Once again, he WAS reported. Read the article I showed you and learn that.
Yes, I know he was eventually reported, but before that, too many people, including Trump, chose to look the other way for many years before he was. Trump knew Epstein was sexually abusing and trafficking children before there was an investigation but did not report him. Failing to report someone who is sexually abusing children and trafficking them to others is unacceptable. Period.
 
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That's good to hear.


Yes, I know he was eventually reported, but before that, too many people, including Trump, chose to look the other way for many years before he was. Trump knew Epstein was sexually abusing and trafficking children before there was an investigation but did not report him. Failing to report someone who is sexually abusing children and trafficking them to others is unacceptable. Period.
I hope that you lump in the Democratic Party politicians whom failed to do anything about Epstein for many years.
 
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I hope that you lump in the Democratic Party politicians whom failed to do anything about Epstein for many years.
Failing to report someone who is sexually abusing children and trafficking them to others is unacceptable. Period.
 
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That would be justice. Our president is a criminal. Along with anyone else involved. Democrats? Lock 'em up! Republicans? Lock 'em u
Why is the Trump DOJ explicitly protecting people who are clearly not victims?
Every DOJ has been protecting them going back 20 years.
Why redact those name, but not names of victims?
Releasing victims names was probably an accident.
Why are they only putting out 2% of what's there after a law was passed stating they had to release everything?
I read that 350 million pages have been released.
Not releasing anything is one thing. But actively releasing things that have been tampered with and "unreleasing" things that have been when it's found to be disfavorable to the president?
The whole thing for some people is only about the downfall of Trump. And supposedly somewhere there's a 20 year old sheet of paper several AGs and DOJs have seen which will accomplish that.
 
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I hope that you lump in the Democratic Party politicians whom failed to do anything about Epstein for many years.
Why does everything have to have Republican and Democrat “sides”?
Why fix blame over who didn’t do what!?, when we can prosecute people now?

We can argue about the inadequacies of past administrations later.
Let us (all) “lock them up”. R’s and D’s marching off to the hoosegow for their crimes.
That’d be a “good thing”, right?
 
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Countries around the world are acting on the contents of the Epstein files with charges, arrests. Actual work.

Why is it that this Trump DOJ is opting to not charge anyone?

And please....let's remember that he just hung his greyscale mug up outside the DOJ....so yes it IS his DOJ.

Fundamentally, what is the problem in America that is keeping child sexual abusers from facing justice...ANY kind of justice? I can't quite figure out the exceptionality here.

Also, though this is a significant sidebar, why is it that the DOJ keeps lobbing these absurd revenge cases from the President that he can't win?

I wonder if these two facts are related in some way.

Unwinnable cases where Trump is a Victim: Pursue with great vigor
Millions and millions of documents incriminating him and his rich buddies for sexually assaulting young girls: We just need to move past it.


If other countries are willing to prosecute based on Epstein files, why isn't this DOJ?
Not a question one not in authority can answer. In part some may not be charged due to the statute of limitations, others for lack of evidence or due to no witnesses. Your question is best answered by the Attorney General. The files, in the US legal system are not primary evidence but in most cases hearsay I think.
 
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Why does everything have to have Republican and Democrat “sides”?
Why fix blame over who didn’t do what!?, when we can prosecute people now?

We can argue about the inadequacies of past administrations later.
Let us (all) “lock them up”. R’s and D’s marching off to the hoosegow for their crimes.
That’d be a “good thing”, right?
That's been exactly my point all this time. But someone here seems to want to make sure to focus on Trump concerning the whole thing.
 

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Not a question one not in authority can answer. In part some may not be charged due to the statute of limitations, others for lack of evidence or due to no witnesses. Your question is best answered by the Attorney General. The files, in the US legal system are not primary evidence but in most cases hearsay I think.
I guess that explains why they didn't bother to interview victims
That's been exactly my point all this time. But someone here seems to want to make sure to focus on Trump concerning the whole thing.
Because Trump is in charge NOW.

This thread is about NOW....and rje only deflection that gets offered is (but what about the last 20 years). Well bonding was the ag of Florida while all this bad studd was going on, ask her where she was.

Or actually don't and see if there you can answer the question of the op.
 
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Not a question one not in authority can answer. In part some may not be charged due to the statute of limitations, others for lack of evidence or due to no witnesses. Your question is best answered by the Attorney General. The files, in the US legal system are not primary evidence but in most cases hearsay I think.

I mean other countries were able to do justthat but the United States just couldn't so that because your system is just so darn just!!

No chance the guy who says he can just grab any girls genitalia that he wants...miiiiiight be trying to cover up sexual imprompriety. That is unlikely. And of course it's ineptitude of the doj with their mistakes and not a plan of mistakes that always fall in favor of the president.
 
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I guess that explains why they didn't bother to interview victims

Because Trump is in charge NOW.

This thread is about NOW....and rje only deflection that gets offered is (but what about the last 20 years). Well bonding was the ag of Florida while all this bad studd was going on, ask her where she was.

Or actually don't and see if there you can answer the question of the op.
Or you could wait for three more years in hopes that a Democrat becomes president, and then you can blame him for Epstein's behavior.
 
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Or you could wait for three more years in hopes that a Democrat becomes president, and then you can blame him for Epstein's behavior.
I tried blaming Trump for his own behaviours but you guys don't like that either.

Anyway, is that how long it would take posters to answer this question?
 
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I tried blaming Trump for his own behaviours but you guys don't like that either.

Anyway, is that how long it would take posters to answer this question?
Not sure what your question is, but in three years there's a chance a democrat could be president and take the blame for Epstein simply because that person would be the one in power at that time.
 

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Not sure what your question is, but in three years there's a chance a democrat could be president and take the blame for Epstein simply because that person would be the one in power at that time.
It is almost as if he doesn't realize that Pam Bondi is not the only prosecutor in the United States. The information is out to the public, so why hasn't any other AG done anything?
 
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