The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

Carl Emerson · Thursday at 8:50 PM

Everyone gets resurrected for judgement.

The Elect who were called, chosen and born again are judged for eternal reward. Their salvation was always secure.

Does that answer your question ?

under grace1 · 2026-02-20T05:30:50-0600

Carl Emerson said:
Everyone gets resurrected for judgement.

The Elect who were called, chosen and born again are judged for eternal reward. Their salvation was always secure.

Does that answer your question ?

Can I ask you this? In the second example of the parable of the sower, it relates to seed that fell on shallow ground/people who make a shallow commitment.
According to Jesus, they only believed for a while, then fell away. What did they only believe in for a while, what did they fall away from?
Is it not possible, that though God know someone is making a shallow commitment, he will still ''officially'' place them in a saved state? Though they will fall away when the time of testing comes.
I would agree with you concerning those who make a full commitment we might say, but I wonder if their isn't some latitude, if we bear in mind all scripture concerning the subject.

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-20T14:41:41-0600

under grace1 said:
Can I ask you this? In the second example of the parable of the sower, it relates to seed that fell on shallow ground/people who make a shallow commitment.
According to Jesus, they only believed for a while, then fell away. What did they only believe in for a while, what did they fall away from?
Is it not possible, that though God know someone is making a shallow commitment, he will still ''officially'' place them in a saved state? Though they will fall away when the time of testing comes.
I would agree with you concerning those who make a full commitment we might say, but I wonder if their isn't some latitude, if we bear in mind all scripture concerning the subject.

This is a fair question.

First off, only God knows the heart and He is a just and compassionate judge.

I have no doubt that true believers can fall away and be restored.
Further, He limits the degree to which they can stray to prevent their salvation being lost.

The Good shepherd went after the one and left the 99 because the one still belonged, even though he/she strayed.

zoidar · 2026-02-20T15:10:57-0600

Carl Emerson said:
This is a fair question.

First off, only God knows the heart and He is a just and compassionate judge.

I have no doubt that true believers can fall away and be restored.
Further, He limits the degree to which they can stray to prevent their salvation being lost.

The Good shepherd went after the one and left the 99 because the one still belonged, even though he/she strayed.

You believe true believers can fall away without being lost? Can you give an example of this? Do you mean like someone can stop praying and stop attending Church, deny being a Christian and still be saved?

under grace1 · 2026-02-20T16:02:05-0600

zoidar said:
You believe true believers can fall away without being lost? Can you give an example of this? Do you mean like someone can stop praying and stop attending Church, deny being a Christian and still be saved?

Many, many years ago, God dramatically changed my life in less than a year. He took me out of a terrible pit and completely transformed me. But then he asked something of me, and to my shame I did not do it. I went out with someone, though God showed me it was wrong to go out with her. That relationship lasted seven years, I sunk so low, gambling drinking and much else. And it continued after the relationship was finished for five years.
Then I had nowhere to live, and asked if I could go back to a christian community I had previously lived in. The man in charge of it welcomed me with open arms and told me: ''God has given me a special love for you''

Strange as it may seem, I never completely stopped praying during those twelve years, I rarely attended church, due to the guilt I felt at how I was living. Neither did I deny being a christian, though I had much doubt God could still love me as I was living.

zoidar · 2026-02-20T16:46:05-0600

under grace1 said:
Many, many years ago, God dramatically changed my life in less than a year. He took me out of a terrible pit and completely transformed me. But then he asked something of me, and to my shame I did not do it. I went out with someone, though God showed me it was wrong to go out with her. That relationship lasted seven years, I sunk so low, gambling drinking and much else. And it continued after the relationship was finished for five years.
Then I had nowhere to live, and asked if I could go back to a christian community I had previously lived in. The man in charge of it welcomed me with open arms and told me: ''God has given me a special love for you''

Strange as it may seem, I never completely stopped praying during those twelve years, I rarely attended church, due to the guilt I felt at how I was living. Neither did I deny being a christian, though I had much doubt God could still love me as I was living.

Reminds me a bit of my story, even I never left Church. I was together with a girl that was very destructive. It never got me into drinking, gambling or doing drugs, but I neglected my relationship with God, more and more as time went by.

Do you think you were saved during this time of your life?

under grace1 · 2026-02-20T17:20:00-0600

zoidar said:
Reminds me a bit of my story, even I never left Church. I was together with a girl that was very destructive. It never got me into drinking, gambling or doing drugs, but I neglected my relationship with God, more and more as time went by.

Do you think you were saved during this time of your life?

This might sound crazy to you, but I believe I was. It makes no rational sense, I accept that. I was never happy in the relationship. Once I started swallowing tablets, I had enough to kill myself, but after taking a few I nearly threw up, I couldn't take anymore. I believe that was God. I could recount other instances that to me confirm God still loved me, and helped me.

zoidar · 2026-02-20T17:30:38-0600

under grace1 said:
This might sound crazy to you, but I believe I was. It makes no rational sense, I accept that. I was never happy in the relationship. Once I started swallowing tablets, I had enough to kill myself, but after taking a few I nearly threw up, I couldn't take anymore. I believe that was God. I could recount other instances that to me confirm God still loved me, and helped me.

No, it does not sound too crazy, though I sometimes wonder if I were saved during the time when I was straying...

What do you think about the prodigal son? Was he saved when he spent his inheritance on women and booze?

under grace1 · 2026-02-20T17:36:44-0600

zoidar said:
No, it does not sound too crazy, though I sometimes wonder if I were saved during the time when I was straying...

What do you think about the prodigal son? Was he saved when he spent his inheritance on women and booze?

I would think if I was saved you would have been
Where the prodigal son is concerned, I would from the story, think his Father never considered him not to be his son. When he spoke to his father and said he had sinned against Heaven and against him, the Father ignored the words according to what is written and just wanted to celebrate his return

under grace1 · 2026-02-20T18:02:43-0600

zoidar said:
No, it does not sound too crazy, though I sometimes wonder if I were saved during the time when I was straying...

What do you think about the prodigal son? Was he saved when he spent his inheritance on women and booze?

A man who I consider knows much more than me about the faith once said:
''Sin will not keep you out of Heaven, but losing your faith will''

I think that statement needs a lot of reflection, rather than a knee jerk reaction to it. I've come to believe, over time that man is right.

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-20T18:08:13-0600

zoidar said:
You believe true believers can fall away without being lost? Can you give an example of this? Do you mean like someone can stop praying and stop attending Church, deny being a Christian and still be saved?

Sure - I was born again at 13 slid away at 17 and was rescued by Him at 28.

This is a promise given with respect to the new covenant Jer 32:40.

However - it only applies to the truely saved and He alone knows who they are.

All that time the indwelling Spirit was preventing me from renouncing faith - that is His way of keeping the promise.

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-20T18:25:56-0600

zoidar said:
You believe true believers can fall away without being lost? Can you give an example of this? Do you mean like someone can stop praying and stop attending Church, deny being a Christian and still be saved?

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zoidar · 2026-02-20T19:12:22-0600

I wish I was as confident as you guys are. It would have been a great relief to believe a saved believer never can lose salvation.

zoidar · 2026-02-20T19:27:00-0600

Carl Emerson said:
Sure - I was born again at 13 slid away at 17 and was rescued by Him at 28.

This is a promise given with respect to the new covenant Jer 32:40.

However - it only applies to the truely saved and He alone knows who they are.

All that time the indwelling Spirit was preventing me from renouncing faith - that is His way of keeping the promise.

I believe you can know you are truly saved, without a shadow of a doubt. It's however not always like that.

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-20T20:11:22-0600

zoidar said:
I believe you can know you are truly saved, without a shadow of a doubt. It's however not always like that.

For sure - It was all about Him keeping me - not about my faith. 'When we are faithless He is faithful...'

I was seriously lost - broken - demented - admitted to psych ward - taking drugs - given ECT - then the still small voice said to return to my Christian roots. So I took off up country to find Him again and on a wharf watching the sea He found me big time. All grace. Proverbially picked me up gave me a shake and said these are the rails stay on them - consume the bible and I will establish for you a true world view. Wow what a Saviour - not to be messed with. Then 7 years of prayer and ministry and 5 years reading nothing but Scripture before I felt 'normal' again. Then I had to wait 40 years of formation before being used as a voice in His purpose.

under grace1 · 2026-02-21T07:28:28-0600

Carl Emerson said:
I was seriously lost - broken - demented - admitted to psych ward - taking drugs - given ECT -

I can relate to much of that. I was sent to a couple of psychiatric institutes and at one time ended up in a padded cell and a young person's prison, though probably for different reasons than as you describe above concerning yourself

zoidar · 2026-02-21T09:18:06-0600

under grace1 said:
I would think if I was saved you would have been
Where the prodigal son is concerned, I would from the story, think his Father never considered him not to be his son. When he spoke to his father and said he had sinned against Heaven and against him, the Father ignored the words according to what is written and just wanted to celebrate his return

I don't think the prodigal son was saved when he was living in sin, since his father referred to him as "dead".

under grace1 · 2026-02-21T09:43:20-0600

zoidar said:
I don't think the prodigal son was saved when he was living in sin, since his father referred to him as "dead".

Well Im not out to be dogmatic about this. But we could ask, was the son dead as in dead in a lifestyle of sin, but not dead to his Father as to still being his son.

zoidar · 2026-02-21T09:49:39-0600

under grace1 said:
Well Im not out to be dogmatic about this. But we could ask, was the son dead as in dead in a lifestyle of sin, but not dead to his Father as to still being his son.

Yes, that is a reasonable question.

under grace1 · 2026-02-21T10:18:01-0600

zoidar said:
Yes, that is a reasonable question.

As a teenager I’m sure my parents thought I was dead in my lifestyle. Drinking alcohol to excess, getting in trouble with the police, the courts sending me to various institutions, eventually I ended up in a young persons prison. It was so very different from the ‘’upright’’ lives they had always known and followed. But I always remained their son, they never disowned me. They visited me when I was in prison, the relationship remained as it always had done, though I’m sure they were dismayed at my life and found it a strain.

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