I dont need teachers. Change my mind

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T04:36:02-0600

I know the new testament commandments. Why do I need a teacher? Why should I choose between denominations instead of just obeying the Bible?

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T05:58:15-0600

Isn't the Bible the greatest teacher we have?

tdidymas · 2026-02-20T06:05:26-0600

weary2025 said:
Isn't the Bible the greatest teacher we have?

Peter wrote, "as newborn babes, long for the pure milk of the word that you may grow thereby."

Nevertheless, this is not an exclusive action to take over the long haul. God placed teachers in the body of Christ for edification. There was a time when I read and studied the Bible exclusively, perhaps for some years. Still, I did need some teachers to show me how to study the Bible, which I took heed to. After some time, I recognized my need to supplement my Bible studies with extra-biblical learning, as well as fellowship with others.

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T06:08:33-0600

tdidymas said:
Peter wrote, "as newborn babes, long for the pure milk of the word that you may grow thereby."

Nevertheless, this is not an exclusive action to take over the long haul. God placed teachers in the body of Christ for edification. There was a time when I read and studied the Bible exclusively, perhaps for some years. Still, I did need some teachers to show me how to study the Bible, which I took heed to. After some time, I recognized my need to supplement my Bible studies with extra-biblical learning, as well as fellowship with others.

The problem with your narrative is that all the teachers i see are failing to teach the whole counsel of God. They fail to teach a few things

tdidymas · 2026-02-20T06:34:19-0600

weary2025 said:
The problem with your narrative is that all the teachers i see are failing to teach the whole counsel of God. They fail to teach a few things

Don't throw out the "baby with the bath water." No man, even the best teacher, is infallible. I always compare what is taught with what the Bible says. However, I'm not infallible either. I recognize that every denomination and everyone with strong opinions claim they are led by the Spirit. My advice is to read the Bible exclusively for a time, a year, maybe two. Read it over and over again. For example, read Romans 10 times in a row. Get familiar with what it says. Memorize part of it. Then other books, like Ephesians, Galatians, James, etc. I also recommend a daily reading of Proverbs. After you get familiar with what the Bible says, then you can discern what is being taught.

But there is a trap to avoid - it's the pitfall of pride, which is easy to fall into. Knowing more than most others about what the Bible actually says has the temptation of pride or even arrogance associated with that knowledge. This is why Paul wrote, "if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know" (1Co 8:2). Even after 50 years of studying the Bible and living the Christian life, I recognize my "little knowledge" compared to some others I have met.

But your objection is what these forums are about - having discussions with people about what needs to be known. If there are a few things not taught in common circles, this is the place to bring them up. You might have to weed through a haystack of bad opinions to find the needle you're looking for. Nevertheless, over the years I have learned a few things, as well as getting a better ability to communicate biblical truth.

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T06:37:18-0600

tdidymas said:
Don't throw out the "baby with the bath water." No man, even the best teacher, is infallible. I always compare what is taught with what the Bible says. However, I'm not infallible either. I recognize that every denomination and everyone with strong opinions claim they are led by the Spirit. My advice is to read the Bible exclusively for a time, a year, maybe two. Read it over and over again. For example, read Romans 10 times in a row. Get familiar with what it says. Memorize part of it. Then other books, like Ephesians, Galatians, James, etc. I also recommend a daily reading of Proverbs. After you get familiar with what the Bible says, then you can discern what is being taught.

But there is a trap to avoid - it's the pitfall of pride, which is easy to fall into. Knowing more than most others about what the Bible actually says has the temptation of pride or even arrogance associated with that knowledge. This is why Paul wrote, "if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know" (1Co 8:2). Even after 50 years of studying the Bible and living the Christian life, I recognize my "little knowledge" compared to some others I have met.

But your objection is what these forums are about - having discussions with people about what needs to be known. If there are a few things not taught in common circles, this is the place to bring them up. You might have to weed through a haystack of bad opinions to find the needle you're looking for. Nevertheless, over the years I have learned a few things, as well as getting a better ability to communicate biblical truth.

Pride isn't my problem. I feel like the greatest sinner. Experience has taught me to keep my faith to myself. No one wants to hear it.

Richard T · 2026-02-20T06:39:31-0600

Luke 6:40 NKJV
A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher.

The bible is a tool, and when inspired by the Holy Spirit it does indeed bring amazing results. Still, God has ordained ministers and gifts so that the body will function as a whole. Defying the need for help in learning seems to create quite a blind spot. Failure to have any teachers/ministers will likely find you deficient. Here is a scripture I believe will back that up.
Hebrews 5:14 (ESV) states: "
But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil".

How will you practice discernment if there are no examples? With no feedback can you discern yourself? Even prophets are subject to the judgment of other prophets. Paul too went before Peter to confirm his own ministry. Who will confirm yours? Of course i am assuming you are not following any ministers but even if you just left teachers out, you will likely miss out on something. I would agree though that only the Holy Spirit as teacher is far better than a false teacher. But find two or three human teachers that you can look up to seems far better than just going at it with just the Holy Spirit.

Lastly, consider the time it takes to study a single bible book. Some scholar/teachers specialize spending years on a single book. Now of course you could do that too, but rather than take years, you can read such a great teacher's book and be quite efficient based on their work, saving you from hours even days trying to understand a single passage.

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T06:44:26-0600

Richard T said:
Luke 6:40 NKJV
A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher.

The bible is a tool, and when inspired by the Holy Spirit it does indeed bring amazing results. Still, God has ordained ministers and gifts so that the body will function as a whole. Defying the need for help in learning seems to create quite a blind spot. Failure to have any teachers/ministers will likely find you deficient. Here is a scripture I believe will back that up.
Hebrews 5:14 (ESV) states: "
But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil".

How will you practice discernment if there are no examples? With no feedback can you discern yourself? Even prophets are subject to the judgment of other prophets. Paul too went before Peter to confirm his own ministry. Who will confirm yours? Of course i am assuming you are not following any ministers but even if you just left teachers out, you will likely miss out on something. I would agree though that only the Holy Spirit as teacher is far better than a false teacher. But find two or three human teachers that you can look up to seems far better than just going at it with just the Holy Spirit.

Lastly, consider the time it takes to study a single bible book. Some scholar/teachers specialize spending years on a single book. Now of course you could do that too, but rather than take years, you can read such a great teacher's book and be quite efficient based on their work, saving you from hours even days trying to understand a single passage.

I dont consider myself above my master. I follow him. As Jesus said, his sheep know his voice and follow.

Richard T · 2026-02-20T06:53:15-0600

That's great, I have no reason to doubt that. But could you excel more quickly with the help of those with more experience and greater knowledge? I would think so.

Here is Paul checking in to make sure he was not running in vain.

Galations 2:1 Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. 2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T06:56:09-0600

Richard T said:
That's great, I have no reason to doubt that. But could you excel more quickly with the help of those with more experience and greater knowledge? I would think so.

Sure, but can you show me this knowledge that they have which the Bible failed to show me?

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T06:58:51-0600

I believe that when the Bible promotes teachers its promoting the apostles who wrote the scripture and not just anyone who claims to be a teacher. The Bible actually warns us about teachers

Richard T · 2026-02-20T07:15:15-0600

weary2025 said:
I believe that when the Bible promotes teachers its promoting the apostles who wrote the scripture and not just anyone who claims to be a teacher. The Bible actually warns us about teachers

Yes, the apostles wrote many of the scriptures. The teaching office is found in Ephesians 4:11
"So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ."

Most believe that at least some of the gifts are still in operation like evangelist, pastors and teachers. Very few if any would believe we have reached the goal laid out in v13 of unity in the faith and the fullness of Christ. So teachers help achieve v13 in the body of Christ.

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T07:18:18-0600

Richard T said:
Yes, the apostles wrote many of the scriptures. The teaching office is found in Ephesians 4:11
"So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ."

Most believe that at least some of the gifts are still in operation like evangelist, pastors and teachers. Very few if any would believe we have reached the goal laid out in v13 of unity in the faith and the fullness of Christ. So teachers help achieve v13 in the body of Christ.

Those apostles and teachers found in your scripture are the ones who wrote scripture. It didn't say that God sent the Catholics, the Orthodox, the baptist, Joel Osteen, or anyone else.

Richard T · 2026-02-20T07:30:27-0600

weary2025 said:
Those apostles and teachers found in your scripture are the ones who wrote scripture. It didn't say that God sent the Catholics, the Orthodox, the baptist, Joel Osteen, or anyone else.

Is the body of Christ in unity? No, so why would he not still send teachers? If anything we need good one's more than ever. yes, there are many that parade as teachers but they are not. Worse are the one's teaching falsehoods. Still, there are legitimate ones anointed of God and quite a blessing. But I accept the continuation of the ministry and spiritual gifts. usually nearly everyone accepts the contemporary need of teachers and pastors. So you are going pretty much alone in that thinking as far as I know. Ai says some Church of Christ and Plymouth Brethren might hold a view of no more contemporary full time paid teachers. That's quite a minority of practicing Christians.

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T07:34:25-0600

Richard T said:
Is the body of Christ in unity? No, so why would he not still send teachers? If anything we need good one's more than ever. yes, there are many that parade as teachers but they are not. Worse are the one's teaching falsehoods. Still, there are legitimate ones anointed of God and quite a blessing. But I accept the continuation of the ministry and spiritual gifts. usually nearly everyone accepts the contemporary need of teachers and pastors. So you are going pretty much alone in that thinking as far as I know. Ai says some Church of Christ and Plymouth Brethren might hold a view of no more contemporary full time paid teachers. That's quite a minority of practicing Christians.

Putting aside all the false teaching which is taught by people and church's, I see the church's failing to lead the flock in all Godliness and holiness.

tdidymas · 2026-02-20T07:37:16-0600

weary2025 said:
Pride isn't my problem. I feel like the greatest sinner. Experience has taught me to keep my faith to myself. No one wants to hear it.

If the problem is self-pity, then it is pride that's behind it. Self-condemnation means that you're taking the seat of a judge against yourself.

But Peter wrote for us to be ready to share our faith if someone asks. There will likely be times when you are confronted by others of potential persecution. IMO, God wants us to be ready to declare our faith to others in the face of insults. We might sometimes feel like a hypocrite and not want to confess it to others, especially to unbelievers who might ridicule us. It's actually a form of pride mixed with fear that keeps us silent.

IMO we need to be ready at any time to say something to others, such as "I might be a hypocrite, or even the greatest of sinners; but I believe that Jesus can set me free from it, so I'm trusting Him for it." That could be a powerful testimony to others that may make them think about their relationship with God.

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T07:44:12-0600

tdidymas said:
If the problem is self-pity, then it is pride that's behind it. Self-condemnation means that you're taking the seat of a judge against yourself.

But Peter wrote for us to be ready to share our faith if someone asks. There will likely be times when you are confronted by others of potential persecution. IMO, God wants us to be ready to declare our faith to others in the face of insults. We might sometimes feel like a hypocrite and not want to confess it to others, especially to unbelievers who might ridicule us. It's actually a form of pride mixed with fear that keeps us silent.

IMO we need to be ready at any time to say something to others, such as "I might be a hypocrite, or even the greatest of sinners; but I believe that Jesus can set me free from it, so I'm trusting Him for it." That could be a powerful testimony to others that may make them think about their relationship

Im a huge fool and sinner. My wretchedness haunts me. I follow Jesus because he is the way, truth and life. If people dont consider that good testimony I dont know what to tell them. I cant pretend can i?

Hentenza · 2026-02-20T08:02:41-0600

weary2025 said:
Im a huge fool and sinner. My wretchedness haunts me. I follow Jesus because he is the way, truth and life. If people dont consider that good testimony I dont know what to tell them. I cant pretend can i?

That is good testimony indeed. However, if you consider yourself a disciple of Christ then you are part of the great commission. Go and make disciples. You can’t do that from an isolated or insulated (in my opinion that is where you are) position. The gospel must be shared. The love of God must be spread. In addition God speaks through others. I see this daily so if you shut others then you are, perhaps, shutting God Himself.

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T08:05:42-0600

Hentenza said:
That is good testimony indeed. However, if you consider yourself a disciple of Christ then you are part of the great commission. Go and make disciples. You can’t do that from an isolated or insulated (in my opinion that is where you are) position. The gospel must be shared. The love of God must be spread. In addition God speaks through others. I see this daily so if you shut others then you are, perhaps, shutting God Himself.

I don't shut out the truth. Im probably in no shape to make disciples because I have mental illness. Im just a guy on the internet who follows the word

weary2025 · 2026-02-20T08:08:17-0600

Some may say having mental illness is not good testimony but i obey Jesus even in my affliction. I think that's a good thing

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