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CNN's Data Guru Reveals How the Far-Left Is Devouring Democratic Party

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Really just a sad commentary on the average American.
But not the Democratic Party which has the lowest approval rating in modern history?
 
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Just one - which election are you denying?
Of the two elections in which Trump ascended to the High Office, (the latest one), he garnered 49.8% of the vote, not a “majority”. The other one he won, he got less votes overall.
 
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Of the two elections in which Trump ascended to the High Office, (the latest one), he garnered 49.8% of the vote, not a “majority”. The other one he won, he got less votes overall.
ah - and his oppnent? How much did she get - oh, and what was the Electoral College difference -

See the EC is what determines the election - but you can be an election denier - Hillary still is today.
 
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Matter of opinion, and you are certainly entitled to that.


Enjoy the leopards, I guess.


You need evidence that people sometimes change their minds about things, given enough time? Besides, I was speculating about what a man who died almost 40 years ago might think today, what kind of evidence would I even try to bring to that?


It's all speculative. Humphrey ain't done much since 1978.


Point for you, I guess. Still, because of those who did, we're all stuck with him. January 20, 2029 can't come fast enough for me.


I'm not entirely sure if those would all have been described as "leftist," but I suppose a lot would depend on how one defines what is left vs. right. Still, an authoritarian leader is far more a right-wing thing, moreso than left-wing, and Trump has certainly espoused right-wing ideals, straight from the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025. Regardless, at this point in history, in the US, it is the right that has embraced an authoritarian standard-bearer, not the left.


Not exactly trying to hide it.


One thing that has always been true about the Democratic party is we don't agree about everything. There has always been a wide variety of views within the party, and we often fight with ourselves just as much as we fight with the opposition party. I contend that the leadership of the party has moved marginally to the right in many ways; adopting a Heritage Foundation plan as a health care solution is just one example, but there does exist within the party a faction that has espoused more left-leaning ideas. However, that branch of the party has proven ineffective in just about every way, so any fears mongered about regarding a far-left takeover seem baseless and completely imaginary. Good for fundraising though, I guess.

For those middle-ground Democrats (by that, I suppose you mean more conservative minded Democrats), I somehow doubt many of those would be fleeing toward Trump in sufficient numbers to make a major difference in the party. I suspect we'll still be just as contentious and disorganized as we've been since at least the days of Will Rogers.

-- A2SG, boy did he call it like it still is.....
Having been a low level jack in the Democratic Party, running for district delegate positions and sometimes getting elected to those positions I saw how de-diversifying the Democrats were. They wanted to know if you were pro-life so they could be sure to exclude you. There were some rules to protect minorities in the party and we used them to try to get just one pro-life person from our district to the state convention. But we were heretical to those in power and we were excluded. So don’t talk to me about how Democrats are so open to a wide variety of views. When I took up with the Republicans I said I was pro-union and pro-environment and nobody blinked. I was elected a district delegate a few times and got to two state conventions and was briefly on the state central committee. They (the pre-Trump party) were much more open to diversity of person and opinion than the 1980’s Democrats ever were. I left after Trump got nominated, and I was not alone. I organized for the futile Evan McMullen campaign and then discovered the American Solidarity Party.

Having left both parties I think there needs to be something for the rest of us. I do see lots of people fed up with their own party but feel stuck because they are so afraid of the other party winning. They often say to themselves that they will vote for their guys while plugging their noses just one last time and then dump them and build a new an honorable party after that.
 
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They wanted to know if you were pro-life so they could be sure to exclude you.
Why would they push an unpopular position like that? I know the Dems can be dumb politically, but they aren't that foolish.
 
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Having been a low level jack in the Democratic Party, running for district delegate positions and sometimes getting elected to those positions I saw how de-diversifying the Democrats were. They wanted to know if you were pro-life so they could be sure to exclude you. There were some rules to protect minorities in the party and we used them to try to get just one pro-life person from our district to the state convention. But we were heretical to those in power and we were excluded. So don’t talk to me about how Democrats are so open to a wide variety of views.
Oh, I'm sure there are many Democrats within the party who seek to further one agenda or another, that's just politics SOP. Republicans do it too, of course. But, and this is coming from someone from about as blue a state as there is, Massachusetts, there are a wide variety of views held by Democrats. On the national level, as I've stated, the adoption of a health care plan devised by the not even slightly leftist Heritage Foundation demonstrates the party's move to the right, and the lack of any meaningful attempt to even bring a single player plan to a vote shows the fecklessness of the leftmost faction. But both sides still exist within the party, from Bernie Sanders and AOC to the Blue Dogs.

When I took up with the Republicans I said I was pro-union and pro-environment and nobody blinked.
And yet, that party has done severe damage to both unions and the environment. Go figure.

BTW, I'm firmly pro-union as well, and wish that Democrats would again embrace unionization and firmly commit to fighting vehemently for working folks. If we ever hope to again have a prosperous and even functional economy, bolstering the middle class is a necessity, and unions are critical for that. But Democrats have done little to stop the GOP war on unions and unionization, and that's just another example of the fecklessness of the more left-leaning faction of the party.

I was elected a district delegate a few times and got to two state conventions and was briefly on the state central committee. They (the pre-Trump party) were much more open to diversity of person and opinion than the 1980’s Democrats ever were. I left after Trump got nominated, and I was not alone. I organized for the futile Evan McMullen campaign and then discovered the American Solidarity Party.

Having left both parties I think there needs to be something for the rest of us. I do see lots of people fed up with their own party but feel stuck because they are so afraid of the other party winning. They often say to themselves that they will vote for their guys while plugging their noses just one last time and then dump them and build a new an honorable party after that.
Yeah, that's the problem with a two-party system. I have no problem with any and all serious attempts to form a third (or fourth or fifth) party, and envy all those countries that have a wide variety of political parties. Still, independents exist, and they are a significant voting bloc. Hopefully, that will only increase over time.

But, as it stands, while I may not agree with everything the Democratic party does or has done, I simply cannot find any policies coming from the Republican party that align with my principles or my interests, so joining that party is pretty much a non-starter for me. But your mileage may vary, of course.

-- A2SG, and as for Trump specifically, well...no. Just no.
 
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