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Two requests for the Sabbaterians at CF
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Where does Yah make any distinction in his word?
Breaking up his law, and renaming it, to fit your doctrine, does not qualify as his word.
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Because it is His purview to give the law as He sees fit. God’s plan is His own and can’t be thwarted by anyone or anything. He decided to give us the law progressively as the scriptures plainly teach.
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lol you are the one making the claim that the Mosaic law began at creation. The burden of proof is yours. I don’t have to prove silence.
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Doubling down with a Strawman Argument?
I see your Strawman; and I double dogma dare you to prove your assertion with scripture. lol
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Really? That’s what you are down to. So double down on defending your claim that the Mosaic law started at creation.
For your attempt at deflection see my post 102. You already attempted this deflection before.
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But you posted the question to deflect from my post 198 that you either didnt want to answer or were incapable of answering. I’ve already answered your deflecting question back in my post 102 and now you are trying to deflect again by posting the same question that has already been answered.
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That's your opinion. Opinion does not equal fact. I thought that we already went over this. That is why I asked for book, chapter, and verse.
He made no such distinction. Adultery was a sin before Moshe.
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And I’ve been asking you for biblical proof of my requests in my OP which you are yet to provide. Stop deflecting.
And I gave you the example outside of the Mosaic law. Your turn to show me where in scripture was the Mosaic law in effect before Moses or even at the time of Joseph, the time of my example.
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I never claimed that the Mosaic law was in effect before Moses.
That's your go-to srawman argument, that has been exposed repeatedly.
Your bare assertion argument has failed.
"Go read your Bible. It's in 'ere," does not qualify as proof.
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Post 21.
Deflect much? I’m getting tired of the games. Let’s get back on topic. Please answer the requests in my OP.
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Let’s look at your post two again,
God did not keep the sabbath. Gid rested spiritually of His work of creation. I don‘t see a command here for people to keep the sabbath nor anyone keeping the sabbath.
None of these verses requires the Christian to keep the saturday sabbath since both of these verses speak of a covenant with the house of Judah and the house of Israel not with the Christian church.
Try again.
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Again, the covenant is with Israel. Yahshua came for none but the lost sheep of Israel.
The wild olive is grafted into the natural tree.
As for the ex-Gentiles (Ger):
(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly (הקהל The Flock (The gathering of sheep to the shepherd), there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner (Ger) sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian (this means forever) statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner (Ger) be before Yahweh.
(CLV) Num 15:16
One law and one custom, it shall come to be for you and for the sojourner (Ger) sojourning with you.
I'm still on earth.
(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from THE LAW till all should be occurring.
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The Jerusalem council settled this, they only asked gentiles to follow four of the laws of Moses.
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I found this interesting from AI: “Babylonian practices emphasize the importance of designated times for rest, reflection, and worship, indicating that the concept of a rest day predated and possibly influenced the formalization of the Sabbath in later Jewish tradition,” and “While not specifically named as a "Sabbath," the idea of taking time for rest and worship on the seventh day aligns with the broader concepts of sacred time” (in Babylon). So it is very likely that rest on the seventh day of the week was handed down by Noah.
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He sure did. God rested from creation. And that is all the verse say. No command to humans.
And even if you consider this to signify the sabbath for humanity then God failed quite dramatically since no one else kept the sabbath until Moses. No one else “rested”.
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