CNN's Data Guru Reveals How the Far-Left Is Devouring Democratic Party

Always in His Presence said:

She did not survive the fact check...

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This is the part where the alternative facts and yelling fake new comes in right?

Always in His Presence said:

Are we speaking of the same AOC - who doesn't know what hemisphere Venezuela is in, or that Spain introduced horses to America>

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Yes we are.

Are you arguing that AOC is not more intelligent, informed, well spoken than your current president who believed the airports of the USA were taken over by Revolutionary troups?

She did not survive the fact check well and IMHO made a complete fool of herself on the stage in Munich demonstrating a severe lack of knowledge and insight

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Your opinion is noted.
Meanwhile everyone ELSE in the Western hemisphere is VERY aware of how foolish and inept Trump looks every time he gets on the international stage and every time he tweets out political edicts.


I wonder if the international political community would consider AOC a step up from Trump.....hmm.....

Always in His Presence said:

Never heard that one. Have a link?

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Me. I thought in 2015 Trump was just a big joke.

I’m not laughing anymore.

Always in His Presence said:

Never heard that one. Have a link?

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I don't have a link. But I do remember the media turning on a dime as soon as Trump got his first nomination. Before that they were very positive about him, and gave him lots of free air time. As soon as he clinched the nomination the negative content started and grew and has not stopped. The game was to edge out multiple other very good Republican candidates who would have handily beaten Hillary and put in Donald Trump only to demolish him. But he didn't want to be a loser and Hillary didn't have the right stuff to beat the straw man that she and the media set up.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Me. I thought in 2015 Trump was just a big joke.

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That's what almost everybody thought. He wasn't getting much support from Republicans in the caucus states, only doing well in the primary states.

Remember that picture of Bill and Hillary and Donald and Melania yucking it up? Hillary by all accounts should have won against such a strawman. But she wasn't quite up to the job.

GoldenBoy89 said:

I’m not laughing anymore.

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It was a very bad joke.

rambot said:

your current president who believed the airports of the USA were taken over by Revolutionary troups?

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Silly goose, it was the war of 1812.

chevyontheriver said:

I don't have a link. But I do remember the media turning on a dime as soon as Trump got his first nomination. Before that they were very positive about him, and gave him lots of free air time.

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I recall it being more "curious" than positive.....
and then he made the comments about "giving us their rapists" etc....

chevyontheriver said:

It devolved.

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Matter of opinion, and you are certainly entitled to that.

chevyontheriver said:

I say this as a cradle Democrat who became very unliked by my party in the 1980's and left for more tolerant pastures on the other side.

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Enjoy the leopards, I guess.

chevyontheriver said:

Absent any evidence, of course.

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You need evidence that people sometimes change their minds about things, given enough time? Besides, I was speculating about what a man who died almost 40 years ago might think today, what kind of evidence would I even try to bring to that?

chevyontheriver said:

I don't doubt he would have been excluded and shut out like former Rep. Dan Lipinski. Whether he would have gone to the GOP or started his own new party is speculative.

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It's all speculative. Humphrey ain't done much since 1978.

chevyontheriver said:

The GOP if this decade considers those convictions to be merely political. And thus ignorable. I didn't vote for the man.

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Point for you, I guess. Still, because of those who did, we're all stuck with him. January 20, 2029 can't come fast enough for me.

chevyontheriver said:

Maybe you once knew that being authoritarian was not necessarily a 'right wing' phenomenon. Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot come to mind as authoritarian and leftist at the same time. There are MANY more examples.

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I'm not entirely sure if those would all have been described as "leftist," but I suppose a lot would depend on how one defines what is left vs. right. Still, an authoritarian leader is far more a right-wing thing, moreso than left-wing, and Trump has certainly espoused right-wing ideals, straight from the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025. Regardless, at this point in history, in the US, it is the right that has embraced an authoritarian standard-bearer, not the left.

chevyontheriver said:

Your dislike of Trump is apparent.

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Not exactly trying to hide it.

chevyontheriver said:

Fine. As I've said, I didn't vote for the man, never did in fact, and never watched his TV shows either. But Trump is a populist and not a conservative. The Republicans are flirting with populism more than conservatism. The Democrats are alienating what is left of the middle ground Democrats, and the only play the party has left is to keep calling Trump Hitler and hoping more long term members don't desert to the party of Hitler.

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One thing that has always been true about the Democratic party is we don't agree about everything. There has always been a wide variety of views within the party, and we often fight with ourselves just as much as we fight with the opposition party. I contend that the leadership of the party has moved marginally to the right in many ways; adopting a Heritage Foundation plan as a health care solution is just one example, but there does exist within the party a faction that has espoused more left-leaning ideas. However, that branch of the party has proven ineffective in just about every way, so any fears mongered about regarding a far-left takeover seem baseless and completely imaginary. Good for fundraising though, I guess.

For those middle-ground Democrats (by that, I suppose you mean more conservative minded Democrats), I somehow doubt many of those would be fleeing toward Trump in sufficient numbers to make a major difference in the party. I suspect we'll still be just as contentious and disorganized as we've been since at least the days of Will Rogers.

-- A2SG, boy did he call it like it still is.....

Always in His Presence said:

I support that 100% - it will guarantee a Republican win!

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Ah, but remember, that's what a lot of people said about Trump when he first decided to run.

-- A2SG, after all, Hillary was vastly better qualified....but I guess that no longer matters....

chevyontheriver said:

Maybe. Maybe not.

Hillary prompted her one time friend Donald to run for president. She saw him as an easy loser to beat. She was so bad she lost anyway.

The Democrats ran Joe Biden from his basement by running against Covid. He had a pulse and that was enough to somehow come up with the votes needed to win.

Dewey thought he had it in the bag. So did some newspapers, enough that they printed Dewey's victory. Of course Truman won.

AOC could pull it off.

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Personally, I would very much welcome that.

-- A2SG, though, let's be honest, anyone would be an improvement over Trump.....

Always in His Presence said:

Not up to the job?

The Democrats said she was the most qualified of all time? What’s up with that?

“I don’t think there’s ever been someone so qualified to hold this office.”
— Barack Hussein Obama, campaign rally in Charlotte, North Carolina, July 5, 2016

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Hillary was (and still is) exceptionally qualified to lead the country.

That didn't matter.

-- A2SG, apparently, committing massive fraud (on multiple occasions) doesn't disqualify Republicans from voting for ya these days.....

Always in His Presence said:

Never heard that one. Have a link?

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A fair amount of people were convinced that Trump didn’t stand a chance in the general election of 2016…simply because he was Trump. They was wrong.

Always in His Presence said:

Not up to the job?

The Democrats said she was the most qualified of all time? What’s up with that?

“I don’t think there’s ever been someone so qualified to hold this office.”
— Barack Hussein Obama, campaign rally in Charlotte, North Carolina, July 5, 2016

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She had been a Senator, Secretary of State and before that she was First Lady for eight years and witnessed the White House workings.
That’s pretty darned qualified.
You’re allowed to agree with that and still think that Hillary Clinton shouldn’t have had any chance at the White House.
That’s allowed.

Aryeh Jay said:

Silly goose, it was the war of 1812.

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They had to wait for the airports to be build the poor sods!

Pommer said:

They had to wait for the airports to be build the poor sods!

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They couldn't wait for them to be built, they had to take them immediately, or who knows what could have happened!

-- A2SG, aliens, bet it would have been aliens.....