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Jim Banks Calls for Passage of SAVE America Act to Require Proof of Citizenship to Vote

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I think there's some cases where a donor-class disrupts the normal function of our democracy, but I don't think it's as widespread as some would have us believe. There are a lot of politicians who still act on their conscience, and who were elected by the people they represent.
A good, oh, let’s say, 42%, yes. 48% in a good year.
We do see a lot of infighting among the influencers in media, which trickles down to the citizens, and even to here. It creates an intolerant environment, and we already know that, and there is no solution.
Most of what we fight about is made-up nonsense to keep us busy sniping at one another. We’re allowed to quit at any time. That was always allowed. You quit first, then I will.

...We're still animals afterall.
Or I can quit first?
 
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Hey that's fine too, but if it's not a big deal how young people decide to vote, as long as they get to, then let's not act like Trump voters somehow made a "bad" decision.

Yet I've seen them called names, and that doesn't make sense to me, if no kind of intelligence is even required, outside of how to pin the tail on the donkey, or check a random box.
We’ll see how Trump’s policies go, down the road, he’s got a lot of time to succeed.
He might still turn out halfway decent.
 
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I like to see consistency and logic! I just don't see that a lot of the time in the arguments I hear.
There’s a lot of dross to sift through, yes. This has always been the case, whether on these forums or internet relay chat or the newsgroups and in newspapers before all of that.
Most people aren’t politically savvy enough to have anything near a cogent and considered opinion and (coincidentally enough) never know that they aren’t. We’re allowed to refute or ignore.

I remember tossing the poorly mimeographed warnings of this or that “impending doom!”, that were forced into my hands on street corners back-in-the-day…now they have a presence on X, SubStack TikTok with a slick website and plenty of opportunities to “donate”.
 
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Certainly running it like a private business for the profit of a few isn't working well for the many.
Right but it works great for them what’s got the power now, this is why power is coveted.
”How” one gets it, is less important than “having it.”
 
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This is a constitutional and commonsense security measure. Over 80% of Americans agree with Voter-ID laws. If you have to show ID in order to buy alcohol or rent a car, you should have to show ID in order to vote.

People also have to show ID to get on an airplane or to receive government benefits. It is time.

1) Will the "SAVE AMERICA ACT" prevent President Trump, in the future, from pressuring Secretaries of State responsible for administrating federal and state elections to "adjust" their total vote count to "find" him with enough votes to provide him with a majority?

2) Will the "SAVE AMERICA ACT" prevent President Trump, in the future, from requesting Republican governors, as was the case of Texas, to "gerrymander" federal congressional boundaries in their state which would in turn allow the GOP to retain its majority in the House! - irrespective of the popular vote?

3) Having reviewed past federal elections, the Brennan Center reported that verifiable incidents of voter fraud varied from a mere 0.0003% to 0.0025% - isolated cases rendering it as an impractical method of actually influencing the outcome of elections!

4) Real election fraud is actually being perpetrated by the politicians themselves, including the same political party as the House members who are currently introducing legislation like the "SAVE AMERICA ACT"- meanwhile actively participating in the "gerrymandering" of congressional boundaries!

5) "Gerrymandering"-is the only effective method of manipulating the vote on a scale that can influence the outcome of an election - a means of rewarding political parties having a minority in the popular vote with the majority of electoral seats!


 
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1) Will the "SAVE AMERICA ACT" prevent President Trump, in the future, from pressuring Secretaries of State responsible for administrating federal and state elections to "adjust" their total vote count to "find" him with enough votes to provide him with a majority?

2) Will the "SAVE AMERICA ACT" prevent President Trump, in the future, from requesting Republican governors, as was the case of Texas, to "gerrymander" federal congressional boundaries in their state which would in turn allow the GOP to retain its majority in the House! - irrespective of the popular vote?

3) Having reviewed past federal elections, the Brennan Center reported that verifiable incidents of voter fraud varied from a mere 0.0003% to 0.0025% - isolated cases rendering it as an impractical method of actually influencing the outcome of elections!

4) Real election fraud is actually being perpetrated by the politicians themselves, including the same political party as the House members who are currently introducing legislation like the "SAVE AMERICA ACT"- meanwhile actively participating in the "gerrymandering" of congressional boundaries!

5) "Gerrymandering"-is the only effective method of manipulating the vote on a scale that can influence the outcome of an election - a means of rewarding political parties having a minority in the popular vote with the majority of electoral seats!



The "Save America Act" will ensure that we will never again have to worry about the correct person winning.
 
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1) Will the "SAVE AMERICA ACT" prevent President Trump, in the future, from pressuring Secretaries of State responsible for administrating federal and state elections to "adjust" their total vote count to "find" him with enough votes to provide him with a majority?

2) Will the "SAVE AMERICA ACT" prevent President Trump, in the future, from requesting Republican governors, as was the case of Texas, to "gerrymander" federal congressional boundaries in their state which would in turn allow the GOP to retain its majority in the House! - irrespective of the popular vote?

3) Having reviewed past federal elections, the Brennan Center reported that verifiable incidents of voter fraud varied from a mere 0.0003% to 0.0025% - isolated cases rendering it as an impractical method of actually influencing the outcome of elections!

4) Real election fraud is actually being perpetrated by the politicians themselves, including the same political party as the House members who are currently introducing legislation like the "SAVE AMERICA ACT"- meanwhile actively participating in the "gerrymandering" of congressional boundaries!

5) "Gerrymandering"-is the only effective method of manipulating the vote on a scale that can influence the outcome of an election - a means of rewarding political parties having a minority in the popular vote with the majority of electoral seats!


1) As much as prosecutors and judges love to go after Trump, such as making up ridiculous valuations of Mar-a-lago and faking photos of classified document covers on the floor, no one brought up charges for Trump asking about finding votes. That's because Trump clearly believed vote counts had been altered and he, like other candidates, was perfectly within his rights to ask to look for uncounted votes.
2) Democrats have been gerrymandering for decades and Republicans are finally fighting fire with fire by using Democrat tactics. Hopefully such efforts will cancel each other out.
3) Election "fraud" is a tiny subset of the election wrongdoing that takes place, and basing fraud on the number of convictions is not an accurate method to determine the amount of fraud nor does it represent other election wrongdoing. An analogy to show how fraud convictions can be underestimated would be realizing that the number of reported burglaries far outnumbers actual burglary convictions and basing the number of burglaries on convictions is folly.
4,5) What Democrats have done is flood our nation with more than 10 million "immigrants" in one presidential term in an attempt to bump up the future census numbers for more Democrat Congressional seats with hopes of making those immigrants citizens in an effort to make sure Democrats grab power and control. Leaders lied to the American public claiming the border was safe, secure, and closed all the while bringing in massive numbers of people. Human trafficking rose to a level not seen since the Civil War, many women were sexually attacked on their way here, and criminals were let in the country to prey upon innocent victims. So many people suffered, used as pawns in that quest for political power. Our country's social networks have been strained to the max, and too many Democrat leaders looked the other way from immigrant fraud.
 
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3) Having reviewed past federal elections, the Brennan Center reported that verifiable incidents of voter fraud varied from a mere 0.0003% to 0.0025% - isolated cases rendering it as an impractical method of actually influencing the outcome of elections!

...and yet, Trump, realizing he may lose the House and Senate come November, will continue to assert there was significant voter fraud in 2020.
 
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...and yet, Trump, realizing he may lose the House and Senate come November, will continue to assert there was significant voter fraud in 2020.
Fraud convictions very few, but there was serious wrongdoing in swing states like Georgia and Michigan. In Georgia numerous lies were certainly told. In Michigan Republican observers were often stopped from properly observing, in Detroit every time they removed a Republican observer (which happened over and over) Democrat elections workers cheered. As much government wrongdoing as I have encountered in my lifetime I was still taken aback by what happened in Detroit, I just hadn't imagined it would take place in our country. No one knows how much total wrongdoing there was or if it would have changed the result. Trump is entitled to his opinion.
 
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Fraud convictions very few, but there was serious wrongdoing in swing states like Georgia and Michigan. In Georgia numerous lies were certainly told. In Michigan Republican observers were often stopped from properly observing, in Detroit every time they removed a Republican observer (which happened over and over) Democrat elections workers cheered. As much government wrongdoing as I have encountered in my lifetime I was still taken aback by what happened in Detroit, I just hadn't imagined it would take place in our country. No one knows how much total wrongdoing there was or if it would have changed the result. Trump is entitled to his opinion.

The POTUS is not entitled to undermine our election system with his lies.
 
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The POTUS is not entitled to undermine our election system with his lies.
Whatever anyone's opinion, more attention was brought to the weaknesses in our election system. Security is a good thing. Last election Lara Trump organized over one hundred thousand observers and workers. Lack of voter ID is still a weakness, so is some absence of chain of custody and computers.
 
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Whatever anyone's opinion, more attention was brought to the weaknesses in our election system. Security is a good thing. Last election Lara Trump organized over one hundred thousand observers and workers. Lack of voter ID is still a weakness, so is some absence of chain of custody and computers.

Chain of custody? The feds recently took 2020 ballots from the Georgia....no doubt Trump is still looking to find those additional votes.
 
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