False Teachers and False Prophets, counterfeit signs and wonders

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 1, 2016

crossnote said:
Sure, teach the Truth and watch how quickly you will be challenged...even on this forum.

How many was JESUS able to SAVE when HE walked on earth ? And then after this the Apostles and disciples groups, the ekklesia - HOW MANY were they ?
Even when it is written 'thousands' were saved in one day, HOW MANY were not ?
IN the united states the last 200 years, whenever there was a 'revival' how many were saved compared to how many were not ? And around the world also - even the "GREAT" well known revivals - HOW MANY were saved compared to HOW MANY were not ?

crossnote said:
[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:

This was already the majority when it was BREATHED BY YHWH / written .
HOW MUCH MOREso TODAY, now ? (yet the PURPOSE of the GOSPEL STILL ALWAYS that some may be set free from sin, the mystery revealed, the soul redeemed)

crossnote said:
People are being conditioned to run after 'spiritual experiences' rather than God's Word.

Like ADAM and EVE were ? Then ALL THE WORLD except NOAH and the 7 with him ? Then ALL THE WORLD except the remnant, the ekklesia today ? That's what Y'SHUA lived and died and was resurrected NEVER TO DIE AGAIN,
came to save us from.

crossnote said:
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Pray for truth, yes. Get truth. The MESSIAH Y'SHUA(JESUS) came to show the truth and set people free, to heal people so they do not get condemned on judgment day.

1John2:4 · Oct 1, 2016

Baby Cottontail said:
Thanks for the warm welcome.
It appears that there are several kinds of deception that will take place in the last days.

I had never heard of the "Eastern Light" cult group. Indeed the groups you mentioned above would fall under the "many will come and claim to be Jesus" category. While I find it amazing that these types of groups are able to gain any followers at all, thankfully these groups have not deceived the majority of Christians. We definitely need to keep watching for these teachers.

Of greater concern to me, though, is the groups/teachers that do not outwardly break away from the church. Instead, they worm their way into established churches, and undiscerning people both inside the church start repeating the teachings. This seems to be a more dangerous type of deception (not that the other isn't).

Some of the deception in the last days will be so dangerous that true Christians are almost deceived -- at least that is how I read Jesus' warning in Matthew 24. There is true power that will coincide with the deception (to give it an appearance of legitimacy). It will also have to deceive a great many people, and it would have to be spiritual in nature. The seeds of this deception have probably existed since the founding of the church, and maybe even in the spiritual practices before Jesus. It is possible that it goes all the way back to the fall of humanity.

I heard John Shelby Spong speak when I was in graduate school. He's one of the extremely theologically liberal scholars that some of my fellow students and professors looked up to. I did a search online and found that he gave that exact same speech that he gave at my school to the Unity Church, with a few added words about how much he loved Unity and New Thought. Some of the more theologically liberal students at my school also attended Unity Churches. These are students who attended a mainline seminary, mind you. Many of them will become pastors in mainline churches.

They've taken out Jesus Christ -- His death and resurrection, thereby stripping any true Christianity from the faith. They have removed the gospel and replaced it with New Thought and New Age ideas. The bishop in residence and all the leaders and many of the professors at the seminary encourage students to see a Spiritual Director who teaches shamanism and New Age concepts -- the Director puts people in touch with their "animal spirits."

It has been several years since I graduated. I have a friend who attends the seminary now, and he has reported that the school is even worse now. They are basically teaching students to worship the earth. Students have to take classes in ecology to become pastors!

On the other hand, you have people who are into all kinds of spiritual abandonment, accepting anything and everything that comes from some modern day prophet. Many have abandoned the gospel and are chasing after spiritual visions, angels, signs, and wonders. There is no discernment. Then there is the Word of Faith/Prosperity gospel, which also seems to have ties to New Thought beliefs.

Linking these two groups is mysticism. I realize that this claim might seem controversial, however, I am very concerned with how mysticism is being embraced by all kinds of Christians. I think if you go far back enough in New Thought and also some of the theology floating around in more evangelical churches, you will find gnosticism.

Any thoughts on this anyone?

I cry for the state of the church today, at least in America. I don't know what it is like in other parts of the world. I hope it is better in other places.

Praying and crying with you my friend!! Many wonderful people are still in these churches hearing this stuff. I can hear God crying out from the book of Revelation "come out of her my people do not partake of her sins"

1John2:4 · Oct 1, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
No. To see, someone has to first give up prosperity instead of seeking it.
Then perhaps YHWH will have mercy.
But as long as the eye is on money, as it is written - when the eye is dark, the whole body is dark, and
well,
as Y'SHUA says - no one can collect money and serve YHWH. He will serve one and despise the other. And so it is.

Haha yes I'm lurking here ") or a camel to go through the eye of the needle. If the camel goes through the eye of the needle which is a sheep's gate all of the riches get scraped off of his back.

raybo · Oct 2, 2016

Today at a church I was visiting in my hometown a renowned prophet and his wife were visiting from the US. I was advised to come by the pastor last week on my first visit so that I could enjoy what words may be shared for this town. I hadn't been in fellowship for four years due to the nature of my work and a major move to interstate.
This morning they opened up after a beautiful time of praise and worship into preaching on the prophetic which I'm familiar with and excercise caution when it comes to idle or careless words so my prayer life keeps alive as I pray to the Father as He shows me something about a situation about someone. For me it has been safe and have seen answers to prayer, ( just setting the picture).
After about forty of the regular congregation enjoyed very uplifting edifying words that were no doubt from the throne room of God the man pointed me out. The first ten words were on the mark but the rest ( 90%) were off. "Why"? I thought, "why me?" The prophecy was for an unsaved person. I've been saved for 18 years!
All I could do was go home and do a little work to let my mind settle as the "word" was let through to the keeper, so to speak which is Christ in me the hope of glory.

Father spoke to me about my heart attitude being right because if I shut that man down it would have caused doubt and confusion in the church and that was something I would not do as people were being blessed.
So how did this man of God miss it? I'm glad that he did and that it was me he missed it with because He knows that I don't need to get my value from man. We all need to develop an ear to the voice of God, it takes intimacy and brokenness, time and at times isolation.

Was he a false prophet?
No. He is a New Testament prophet under grace having a go and sometimes sadly getting it wrong.
Father God reminded me that I too make and have made mistakes stepping out for the Kingdom of God. So His grace is sufficient.

If I have posted this into the wrong column then I'm sorry, I'm new to this forum

J. Elias · Oct 7, 2016

raybo said:
Today at a church I was visiting in my hometown a renowned prophet and his wife were visiting from the US. I was advised to come by the pastor last week on my first visit so that I could enjoy what words may be shared for this town. I hadn't been in fellowship for four years due to the nature of my work and a major move to interstate.
This morning they opened up after a beautiful time of praise and worship into preaching on the prophetic which I'm familiar with and excercise caution when it comes to idle or careless words so my prayer life keeps alive as I pray to the Father as He shows me something about a situation about someone. For me it has been safe and have seen answers to prayer, ( just setting the picture).
After about forty of the regular congregation enjoyed very uplifting edifying words that were no doubt from the throne room of God the man pointed me out. The first ten words were on the mark but the rest ( 90%) were off. "Why"? I thought, "why me?" The prophecy was for an unsaved person. I've been saved for 18 years!
All I could do was go home and do a little work to let my mind settle as the "word" was let through to the keeper, so to speak which is Christ in me the hope of glory.

Father spoke to me about my heart attitude being right because if I shut that man down it would have caused doubt and confusion in the church and that was something I would not do as people were being blessed.
So how did this man of God miss it? I'm glad that he did and that it was me he missed it with because He knows that I don't need to get my value from man. We all need to develop an ear to the voice of God, it takes intimacy and brokenness, time and at times isolation.

Was he a false prophet?
No. He is a New Testament prophet under grace having a go and sometimes sadly getting it wrong.
Father God reminded me that I too make and have made mistakes stepping out for the Kingdom of God. So His grace is sufficient.

If I have posted this into the wrong column then I'm sorry, I'm new to this forum

"When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him." --Deuteronomy 18:22

I've heard this "New Testament prophets can be mistaken" argument before, but frankly I don't see how it holds any water whatsoever. If God was sending 100% correct prophets in the Old Testament, why would He send us prophets that are not 100% correct with the critical new doctrines and revelations of Jesus as the Messiah? What about John's Revelation of Christ's final victory? Was that prophecy not necessarily 100% true?

This argument defeats itself and undermines the entire definition of prophecy

Londa Hayden · May 10, 2017

Be careful. There are very deceptive spirits running around in sheep's clothing. They have that Leviathan spirit in them which twist the Word of God. YouTube is full of them. Graham Cooke is a clever bloke indeed. Slow down the clips for a frame by frame and you can see his eyes and sides of his face start to contort. His eye will start to slit. His ear reforms into a cat's head. Even his mouth and tongue mishapen. Oh, he has such a lovely British voice and speaks soothing words of hope but be warned. This is a form of universalism (New Age teaching). Hide the Word I. Your heart and test any spirit that speaks otherwise or only speaks Partial truths.

BABerean2 · May 10, 2017

raybo said:
Was he a false prophet?
No. He is a New Testament prophet under grace having a go and sometimes sadly getting it wrong.

Once any of us go beyond scripture, we are on very thin ice.

Any man today who calls himself a "prophet" should be avoided.

Baptist William Miller said Christ would return on Oct. 22, 1844.

Many said Christ would return within 40 years of 1948.

Many said Christ would return last year based on the "Blood Moons".

All of these have damaged the credibility of the modern Church.

When we see some on Christian television, who are clearly charlatans, we must realize the effect this has on the lost who are looking for the truth.

.

Baby Cottontail · May 10, 2017

iamlamad said:
I would challenge this post and say that you probably don't know ANY of these people personally and don't have any idea of they walk in the fruits of the spirit, such a love, joy, peace, etc. Worse yet, if indeed these people walk after the Holy Spirit, and you criticize them, then you are criticizing the Holy Spirit, which is not in any way wise.

Did you not read Paul?
Phil 1:
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:

17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.

18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

The truth is, these people are reaching the lost that may never have been reached by a brick and mortar church. You may not agree with everything they say, but if you could talk to them, I am convinced every one of them believes and preaches that Jesus died for their sins, and is willing to forgive them.

If any of them have committed grave sins, how do you know if they have not repented? I think you don't know. Therefore it is not wise to criticize other fellow believers. Let's walk in love. As it is written, true love always thinks the best of others.

The problem is that not all churches/Christian ministries preach the gospel.

Just recently there is a guy who has been attending the mainline church that I go to. He grew up in a Pentecostal church, and he has a Facebook page where he calls himself a prophet. His first couple weeks that he attended my church, he was apparently telling some people he was a prophet, and was telling them a few details about his spirituality.

He didn't tell me that he was a prophet, or really talk about his spirituality with me. I asked him what brought him to the church. He told me that God led him to our church. For some people that attend my church, even that sounded to them like he had a mental issue.

Several people were concerned about the mental state of this young man. They told the pastor about it, and my pastor asked me for my thoughts. I told him I didn't have enough information yet, but that it could just be a difference in Christian language/understanding. What is "normal" in a Pentecostal church may look like mental illness to people outside of that kind of Christian culture.

The pastor did some more reflecting, and has talked with the young man some more. His opinion is that he thinks the guy is almost speaking another language in terms of his Christianity because his Christian experience is so different from mainline Protestant.

My thought is, yes, it is a completely different culture within Christianity. Terms need to be defined, and a lot of discussion needs to take place so that there is clear communication.

I would say that it is getting to the point that some Pentecostal/charismatic churches have a different religion than what has historical Christianity -- both in beliefs and practices.

Baby Cottontail · May 10, 2017

iamlamad said:
Do you realize that the Pharisees thought jesus was a false teacher? And that Paul was sure the disciples were false teachers? In other words, a "false teacher" in is the ears of the beholder.

By the way, what should be a believer's response to hearing false doctrine? I submit our response would be to teach TRUTH doctrine, but not to criticize another believer. Please that part to GOD.

If someone is endangering believers by teaching false things, shouldn't believers be warned about the false things? Isn't it loving to warn people about danger?

yeshuaslavejeff · May 10, 2017

iamlamad said:
Our job, rather that criticize others, is to teach the truth.

So?
Most people never learn the truth first, so they cannot ever teach it willingly.

After you know experientially and in God's Word the truth, abiding in Christ Jesus,
your job (as far as false teachers and false prophets,which are many, is concerned) is to expose the lies, the works of darkness, not to go along with them
nor even ever to study them.

Baby Cottontail · May 10, 2017

food4thought said:
I agree we should call out false teachers when we know that they contradict the clear teaching of Scripture, but the point of my previous post was to remind us all that good Christians can have widely divergent views on some things. How to understand the first 11 chapters of Genesis is one of those things, I think.

Yes, true Christians can have completely different understandings of non-essential beliefs. Whenever there are two humans, there are going to be differences in opinion on things. We have to be able to separate the essential from the non-essential. Some of us Christians have a hard time doing this, and we get caught up in non-essential things, trying to make non-essential things into essential beliefs.

Baby Cottontail · May 10, 2017

Londa Hayden said:
Be careful. There are very deceptive spirits running around in sheep's clothing. They have that Leviathan spirit in them which twist the Word of God. YouTube is full of them. Graham Cooke is a clever bloke indeed. Slow down the clips for a frame by frame and you can see his eyes and sides of his face start to contort. His eye will start to slit. His ear reforms into a cat's head. Even his mouth and tongue mishapen. Oh, he has such a lovely British voice and speaks soothing words of hope but be warned. This is a form of universalism (New Age teaching). Hide the Word I. Your heart and test any spirit that speaks otherwise or only speaks Partial truths.

I think that Graham Cooke is one of the most dangerous false teachers out there. Why? Because people really like him. They like the way he talks. Some people say they could listen to him all day. He seems like a nice guy, seems to have nice words to say to people, and he appears gentle.

Yet, the actual content of his books and speaking is peppered with very dangerous ideas. "Listen to God's voice, and if the word you get doesn't seem to line up with Scripture, change Scripture so that it lines up with the word you received."

parousia70 · May 10, 2017

Kenny'sID said:
As I see it, the Grace only/OSAS is one of the most damaging false prophesies of our time.

Nah.
That'd be Hyper Futurism.

Another Lazarus · May 12, 2017

food4thought · May 13, 2017

Baby Cottontail said:
Yes, true Christians can have completely different understandings of non-essential beliefs. Whenever there are two humans, there are going to be differences in opinion on things. We have to be able to separate the essential from the non-essential. Some of us Christians have a hard time doing this, and we get caught up in non-essential things, trying to make non-essential things into essential beliefs.

Do you think that if someone clearly contradicts something that the New Testament clearly teaches, they are a false teacher regardless of whether it is an essential belief or not?

Baby Cottontail · May 13, 2017

food4thought said:
Do you think that if someone clearly contradicts something that the New Testament clearly teaches, they are a false teacher regardless of whether it is an essential belief or not?

Hmmm...I think it would depend on what it was as well as the context.

People take the Bible out of context all the time. When doing so, people can "make" the Bible say whatever they want it to say. People also interpret some passages differently from other people. So I can't say "yes" or "no" without knowing what the issue was, how the person was viewing the passage, and the biblical context.

I do believe that the biblical authors had a purpose when writing, and that they had an intended meaning. I believe they were inspired by the Holy Spirit, and that God has an intended meaning as well. However, sometimes people will pull a verse out of context and then form a whole theology on it. The person might think that the passage clearly says something, but that might not be the intended meaning.

That's why I'm hesitant to just give a "yes" or "no" answer on this.

BABerean2 · May 15, 2017

CAnswersTV on YouTube is a good solid source of information on doctrine.

CoffeeClaw_1986 · Jan 31, 2026

About a week ago, I was sent a message by someone whom we shared a mutual acquaintance inviting me to participate in what I believed was an online fellowship/Bible study. I was added to a group chat/call in messenger and encouraged to join in one of their daily call sessions that they had. At first, it seemed okay, but within a day, it started coming off as kind of sus. I started doing some deep diving on the information they were sharing , verses they used, which led me to different conversations on Reddit and other platforms warning about this group, which I learned was known as The Church of Almighty God. They preach false doctrine. They believe Jesus is already here in the flesh as a Chinese woman. They are very discreet and secretive, so beware if you're approached by anyone affiliated with this group. They don't believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and they don't believe in the Holy trinity. They believe in a false trinity. Not only are their teachings unbiblical but they say that the Bible is outdated and God speaking in their book "The Word Appears in the Flesh", which they quote extensively during every video call session.

The group leader, “R”, was insistent on calling after the daily sessions (8 altogether), and would send links to videos along with questions about the material studied. Sometimes he would send links to videos for the missed sessions/ I asked “R” his thoughts on the message shared in the group about the secret return of Jesus in the flesh, Matthew 24:23-27, Acts 1:11, the lightning analogy, and adding to or going beyond what is revealed in the Bible. “R” briefly addressed my concerns during a one-on-one messenger call last night, with some follow up on my above listed concerns the previous night, but he circled back to the secret incarnation of God, countering my point in a message about Christ’s visible, public return (he also did the same thing in a DM he sent the next morning). He also briefly told me about their higher level group studies people would be in after finishing the 8th session (which was today). He followed up with questions of general locations of participants, asking them to provide their phone numbers and following up with a few of them via calls at the end of today’s session earlier this evening.

After the session was over, “R” sent me a couple of links to videos for the parts I had missed along with follow-up questions related to the videos (I didn’t do them). I did some thinking for a while after that and felt kind of sick about the whole thing, leading me to subsequently blocking “R” and leaving and deleting all associated chats. I feel better after having done that, but find it crazy that this group exists to deceive believers and the tactics they use to accomplish this, and that people, such as in the group I was in blindly follow without question. I feel strong in my faith as a Christian, having been a believer all my life.

Jipsah · 2026-02-17T14:33:57-0600

St_Worm2 said:
Hi BC, well, many cults of various teachings come quickly to mind, especially those who reinterpret and/or rewrite part of the Bible, and/or add additional books to it, including the more recent cult, the "Church of Almighty God" aka "Eastern Lightning".

"Eastern Lightning" appears to be nothing more or less than a Chinese knock-off of Moon Sun-Myung's "Unification Church" Cynic that I am, I have to believe that isn't a coincidence. Moonies made unimaginable amounts of money fleecing the credulous, and it should come as no surprise that someone else might try their hand at it.

I had a fair amount of experience with the Moonies. They were trying to establish a presence on FidoNet (a pre-internet amateur-run communications network) and asked my help to set up a local hub. They were frighteningly nice to me; I'm sure being half Korean didn't hurt. Their theology was vaguely biblical in that Moon claimed to be the fulfillment of a number of scriptural Prophecies, but otherwise pure cloud cuckooland

St_Worm2 · 2026-02-17T16:47:49-0600

Jipsah said:
"Eastern Lightning" appears to be nothing more or less than a Chinese knock-off of Moon Sun-Myung's "Unification Church" Cynic that I am, I have to believe that isn't a coincidence. Moonies made unimaginable amounts of money fleecing the credulous, and it should come as no surprise that someone else might try their hand at it.

I had a fair amount of experience with the Moonies. They were trying to establish a presence on FidoNet (a pre-internet amateur-run communications network) and asked my help to set up a local hub. They were frighteningly nice to me; I'm sure being half Korean didn't hurt. Their theology was vaguely biblical in that Moon claimed to be the fulfillment of a number of scriptural Prophecies, but otherwise pure cloud cuckooland

Hello Jipsah, that's both interesting and pretty unsettling at the same time

We had one or two of the Eastern Lightning folks posting here a dozen years ago or so (as you probably remember), but I haven't seen them since then.

One of my forum friends went to China fairly regularly to teach the Bible, and he told me about all of the "Christian" cults that had sprung up (and are continuing to), including Eastern Lightning, and that many of them apparently very organized and deadly (if you oppose their teachings and/or if you were someone who joined and then tried to leave the cult later).

There used to be a great shortage of Bibles in China (as again, I'm sure you already know), but that's not the problem now, understanding them is (so teachers are what they are in need now).

God bless you!!

--David

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