My argument does not preclude Abraham from keeping God’s commandments, laws, and statutes. My argument is that these commandments, laws, and statutes are not the Mosaic law.
I believe God gave Moses His Laws, and His Commandments and His Statutes, at least this is what the Bible teaches.
I'll ask again, please show me where Abraham defines
God's commandments, God's statutes, and God's laws, or as God called it, "The Way of the Lord" that he obeyed and directed his children to keep.
Since you are preaching that you must have evidence, and we know Abraham obeyed God's Laws, commandments and statutes, then show me please, where Abraham gave you God's Laws and God's Commandments and God's Statutes that God said he obeyed.
Arguing that the Mosaic law, which was not given for another 430 years, was binding at the time of Abraham is quite absurd.
Clearly God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments existed before the Exodus, and bound the whole world to sin in Noah's time, and caused God to destroy Sodom, because their sin was grievous. To say God destroyed these people for breaking laws that didn't exist, is truly absurd.
There was a LAW "Added" to God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws that Abraham obeyed, 430 years after Abraham. It was the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi. You may have heard of it, it's called the "Levitical Priesthood "after the order of Aaron". You can read all about it in Lev. 4 and Hebrews 7-10. It dealt with the remission of sins, and was added because of transgressions, "Till the Seed (The true Lamb of God) should come.
It's right there in your Bible.
What Abraham kept better than others was the providential law which includes the sense of right and wrong but does not include the 613 laws of the Mosaic law including the sabbath commands.
First of all, God never placed 613 Laws on the neck of even ONE Man in the entire bible. And I challenge you to show me one instance in the Holy Scriptures, where HE Laid this burden on the neck of even ONE man.
Where is your scriptural evidence that Abraham
"kept better than others was the providential law which includes the sense of right and wrong". I mean, I know this is what you are preaching, But here is what God actually said.
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, "my" commandments, "my" statutes, and "my" laws.
I appreciate that you are zealous for your adopted religious philosophy, but at some point, shouldn't God's Actual Word count for something?
I will always choose the Words of the Head of God's Church over yours. It isn't personal.
There is no evidence that Abraham kept the sabbath.
God said "
Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws".
You have no evidence that this didn't include the 10 Commandments.
Your problem is assuming that these laws that Abraham kept are the Mosaic laws.
And you assume that God didn't give both Abraham and Moses,
His commandments, His statutes, and His laws.
Since I have no problem with God's Laws and Judgments or His Sabbaths, or any of His Commandments actually, I'm not inclined to make such assumptions about God.
There is no way of proving that unless you do a tremendous leap of logic. Imagine assuming that anyone that lived 430 years ago were keeping today’s driving laws or celebrated the US independence on July 4th or had to keep flood insurance in their house. It’s absurd.
Yes, LOL, you analogy is absurd. You keep refusing to acknowledge that the 7th day Sabbath was part of God's Creation. Consider the tremendous leap of logic to assume that God
hid His Created Sabbath from the very men
HE said HE created it for.
And why would I even want to promote such a philosophy?
Yes, they show that a good portion of the moral commandments are part of the providential law. I believe that the providential law was partially given and codified in the Noahic laws.
You are free to Judge God's Laws as "Moral" and "not Moral" if you want, but I don't believe God created Commandments that are "not moral". And you can create words never used in Scripture, like "providential law" as well to justify your religious philosophy.
And you can divide God's Laws as if God gave Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus were all given different Commandments, and then judge whatever Commandments you don't like as unworthy of your respect and honor. You are free to do these things. But such behavior is expressly forbidden in Scriptures. And this behavior is what brought sin to all mankind.
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
I'm OK with what is actually written in Scriptures.
But this is assumption. Jesus did not declare Himself Lord of even the Sabbath until His ministry.
His Ministry didn't even start until HE was anointed into God's Priesthood by a true Levite Priest. And this same Word of God declared He was the Lord of God's Sabbath all through the Law and Prophets.
The incarnation was necessary. If you read Mark 2:27-28 the conjunction ὥστε is used to start verse 28. ὥστε is defined as “so” “therefore” “wherefore” which expresses a conclusion. Verse 28 is the conclusion of verse 27. Consequently the sabbath was made for man because Jesus is the Lord if even the Sabbath. Jesus is man, the second Adam. This is why the sabbath rest is now in Jesus.
But you also preach that this same Christ
hid this same Sabbath from the first man, from Adam, and Noah and Abraham and Jacob, and Joseph.
I think Jesus hit it right on the head with your philosophy, "
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews".
Again, you need to prove that these laws were the Mosaic laws which you can not.
And you need proof that God didn't give Moses and Abraham and Noah, His
commandments, His statutes, and His laws.
And you can't do it.
But you can’t go to Moses because Moses lived 430 years after Abraham. I don’t recall a Time Machine in scripture.
But I can go to the Jesus "Of the Bible". "
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by "every word" that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
