Two requests for the Sabbaterians at CF

Hentenza · Friday at 7:20 AM

HARK! said:
Pertaining to Jer. 31:31:

Where did the House Judah go astray?

The House of Israel was carried off.

This makes no sense whatsoever. If Israel could have kept the law as God wanted then there would not have been a need for Christ sacrifice. The story of Israel in the OT is one of ups and downs. When they are in need they call on the Lord but when they are fat and happy they ignore the Lord. It’s a perfect example of the human condition.

Hentenza · Friday at 7:23 AM

HARK! said:
If you had read my post carefully; you would have seen that I in fact I already did that.

There are numerous other examples of righteous men keeping the Torah, or realizing their sins, before Moses wrote it down.

And that was not the Mosaic Torah since it was not written until Moses time. Secondly, I requested in the OP for evidence that anyone prior to Moses kept the sabbath and you are yet to provide such evidence. I also explained providential law to you in my previous posts but you seem to be unwilling to address that.

Studyman · Friday at 9:08 AM

Hentenza said:
This makes no sense whatsoever. If Israel could have kept the law as God wanted then there would not have been a need for Christ sacrifice.

I have heard the promoters of this world's religions preach the heresy that God created commandments impossible for men to obey, then lied to them and told they could obey Him, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't.

Wasn't the entire purpose of the Exodus to bring Abraham's children, and the stranger that sojourned with them "out of Sin"? Isn't Egypt symbolic of Sin itself? I mean, what was the purpose of Passover then in the first place, if not to spare those who would place the life (Blood) of a perfect. unblemished and innocent Life in their mind and in their body, for the purpose of departing from sin? Or as the Jesus "of the bible" teaches, to "Go and Sin no more".

I don't believe the Bible supports the popular religious philosophy that God laid on the necks of men who placed their trust in Him, and unbearable Yoke of Bondage, then killed them when they couldn't bear it.

Hentenza said:
The story of Israel in the OT is one of ups and downs. When they are in need they call on the Lord but when they are fat and happy they ignore the Lord. It’s a perfect example of the human condition.

And why did God have these Word's written? If I believe Paul, I would understand:

Now these things were "our examples", to the intent "we should not lust" after evil things, as they also lusted.

Are we not to "be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

And God also gave us examples of men who engaged in this very Battle Paul speaks to in Eph. 6

Was God not pleased with Abraham's life, or Moses, or Caleb, or Joshua, or David, or Shadrack, or Joseph, or Daniel, or Zacharias, or Simeon, or Anna. And why is it written that God was pleased with His Son Jesus? "Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

Didn't all these examples of Faith have the Same Spirit of Christ in their heart? Did they all not Listen to the Word of God and "Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin"?

Didn't the Faithful examples of the Bible, "Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel".

Hentenza · Friday at 9:43 AM

Studyman said:
I have heard the promoters of this world's religions preach the heresy that God created commandments impossible for men to obey, then lied to them and told they could obey Him, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't.

Wasn't the entire purpose of the Exodus to bring Abraham's children, and the stranger that sojourned with them "out of Sin"? Isn't Egypt symbolic of Sin itself? I mean, what was the purpose of Passover then in the first place, if not to spare those who would place the life (Blood) of a perfect. unblemished and innocent Life in their mind and in their body, for the purpose of departing from sin? Or as the Jesus "of the bible" teaches, to "Go and Sin no more".

I don't believe the Bible supports the popular religious philosophy that God laid on the necks of men who placed their trust in Him, and unbearable Yoke of Bondage, then killed them when they couldn't bear it.

And why did God have these Word's written? If I believe Paul, I would understand:

Now these things were "our examples", to the intent "we should not lust" after evil things, as they also lusted.

Are we not to "be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

And God also gave us examples of men who engaged in this very Battle Paul speaks to in Eph. 6

Was God not pleased with Abraham's life, or Moses, or Caleb, or Joshua, or David, or Shadrack, or Joseph, or Daniel, or Zacharias, or Simeon, or Anna. And why is it written that God was pleased with His Son Jesus? "Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

Didn't all these examples of Faith have the Same Spirit of Christ in their heart? Did they all not Listen to the Word of God and "Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin"?

Didn't the Faithful examples of the Bible, "Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel".

And yet everyone that was ever born after Adam was born with original sin and all since Adam have sinned. Everyone, except for Christ, has sinned. Sinless perfection is bunk.

Studyman · Friday at 10:06 AM

Hentenza said:
And yet everyone that was ever born after Adam was born with original sin and all since Adam have sinned. Everyone, except for Christ, has sinned.

Yes, this is true. But you are not addressing my post at all.

Hentenza said:
Sinless perfection is bunk.

And many, who profess to know God, do not understand that if God removes a persons sins, they are removed from as far and the east is from the west. They refuse to accept that there are faithful men whose old sinful self was crucified, replaced by a man who strives against sin. And this man will have other voices in the garden God placed him in telling him at every turn, "you can't obey God", you can't change, you will always be a sinner, Jesus lied to you when HE told you to be perfect, just as they preach His Father lied to Abraham when HE told Abraham to be perfect.

Thankfully Jesus didn't listen to all these voices that surrounded Him, and remained faithful from His Youth. Thankfully Abraham didn't listen to the other voices either, and as a result, generations of men are blessed, as the Word of God that became flesh said; "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws".

Thankfully Paul didn't listen to these other voices which exist in the world God placed him in.

Phil. 3: 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God (Which is) in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

So I'm not listening to the other voices either.

Hentenza · Friday at 10:26 AM

Studyman said:
Yes, this is true. But you are not addressing my post at all.

Sorry but I’m not interested in getting more out of topic in my thread.

Studyman said:
And many, who profess to know God, do not understand that if God removes a persons sins, they are removed from as far and the east is from the west. They refuse to accept that there are faithful men whose old sinful self was crucified, replaced by a man who strives against sin. And this man will have other voices in the garden God placed him in telling him at every turn, "you can't obey God", you can't change, you will always be a sinner, Jesus lied to you when HE told you to be perfect, just as they preach His Father lied to Abraham when HE told Abraham to be perfect.

Thankfully Jesus didn't listen to all these voices that surrounded Him, and remained faithful from His Youth. Thankfully Abraham didn't listen to the other voices either, and as a result, generations of men are blessed, as the Word of God that became flesh said; "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws".

Thankfully Paul didn't listen to these other voices which exist in the world God placed him in.

Phil. 3: 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God (Which is) in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

So I'm not listening to the other voices either.

1 John 1:8-10

HARK! · Friday at 6:35 PM

Hentenza said:
I requested in the OP for evidence that anyone prior to Moses kept the sabbath and you are yet to provide such evidence.

Yes I did; and there is evidence throughout the TaNaK that the Torah was kept before Moses wrote it down.

For example, Cain knew that murder was transgression of the Torah.

How did he know that before Moses wrote it down?

So here is a brain teaser for you:

Was the Torah the Torah before Moses wrote it down?

Hentenza · Friday at 6:59 PM

HARK! said:
Yes I did; and there is evidence throughout the TaNaK that the Torah was kept before Moses wrote it down.

Then cite the verse.

HARK! said:
For example, Cain knew that murder was transgression of the Torah.

That’s providential law not the Mosaic law. Cain did not keep the sabbath and neither did Abel.

HARK! said:
How did he know that before Moses wrote it down?

So here is a brain teaser for you:

Was the Torah the Torah before Moses wrote it down?

Not the Mosaic law. As I stated before there was the providential law followed by the Nohaic law and followed by the Abrahamic covenant which included circumcision. There is no reference if anyone keeping the sabbath prior to Moses. I’m telling you what is in scripture while you are making an argument from what is not in scripture. Arguments from silence do not work so you still need to post evidence that anyone kept the sabbath before Moses.

Studyman · Friday at 7:10 PM

Hentenza said:
Sorry but I’m not interested in getting more out of topic in my thread.

I know what you mean. You started posting about Israel and how God placed on the necks of those men who followed Him out of Egypt, Laws that were not possible for them to obey. And of course this is foolishness, so I'm compelled to call this erroneous philosophy out, and before you know it, we are off topic. I get that you would want to change the subject back to the topic of the thread.

Hentenza said:
1 John 1:8-10

1 John 1&2. What perfect chapters to further confirm Paul's teaching to the Faithful in Colossi not to let any man judge them for their voluntary submission to the Statutes, Judgments and Sabbaths of the Lord, that Christ created for them.

Let's bless ourselves with examining the Spirit of Christ Inspired Word's of John who actually walked with the Jesus "of the Bible", since you posted it.

1 John 1:1 That "which was from the beginning", which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us. 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship "is with the Father", and with his Son Jesus Christ.

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him "is no darkness at all". 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But "if" we walk in the light, as "he is in the light", we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son "cleanseth us from all sin."

When does this happen Hentenza? Does the Blood of Christ remove our sins, or "cleanse our Sins", when we walk in the Light? Or do we "Wait with Patience," Hope and Faith for His Return, when HE raises men from the dead and grants to them an incorruptible body washing the sins completely away? I think it is upon His Return that are sins are cleansed, not right now, based on the 3 verses you singled out and separated from the rest of the Chapter. Let's hear what they say.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 "If we say" that we have not sinned", we make him a liar, and his word "is not in us".

So when a man is walking in the Light, he still has his past sin. Is this man walking in the same spirit Wherein in time past he walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience"?

Or is he sorry for his past transgression and has become, through repentance, "renewed in the spirit of his mind; And has put on the new man, which after God (Not after the religions of this world) is created in righteousness and true holiness.

And why does John even write these Epistles? Let's see if John can shed some light on this question in his very next sentence.

My little children, these things write I unto you, "that ye sin not". And "if" any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

So then, the God and Father of the Lord's Christ who says over and over and over and over and over, "Obey my Commandments, Judgments and Statutes, Jesus Himself, as HE told those whose sins He forgave, "Now go and sin no more", and John here, and Paul who teaches, "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof", are all of one mind, on the same page. The very purpose of the Gospel of Christ, is to give us another chance to be reconciled to God who we dishonored and disobeyed. And Jesus is the New Mediator, replacing Moses whose Glory was temporary as Prophesied.

But how do I know if I am deceived, or if I truly know Him?

The Spirit of Christ knew I would be asking this question all those years ago, and HE knew anyone who submitted to His Righteousness not their own, who "Yielded themselves" servants to obey God would be surrounded by voices who would work to discourage them and call them names, say all manner of untrue and offensive things about them. So HE sent John and Paul to encourage men to stay the course, to welcome the precious tests and trials of their faith, living in a world that despises God's Judgments, Feasts and Sabbaths, and have gone about creating their own judgments, sabbaths and high days. And here is what the Spirit of Christ tells me through John.

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (Even Abel, Noah and Abraham)

3 And "hereby we do know" that we know him,

OK, here it is. This is how the Spirit of Christ tells me how I can know if I truly know Him. or not.

"if" we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, "I know him", and "keepeth not" his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But "whoso keepeth his word", "in him" verily is the love of God perfected: "hereby know we" that we are in him. 6 He "that saith" he abideth in him ought himself "also so to walk", even "as he walked".

So I don't "judge" others for dismissing God's Commandments, Judgments and Sabbaths. God has already made the judgment, and I'm perfectly fine with whatever HE chooses to do.

But I am instructed, through His Word to "Live by His Words" (Every Word), and to prove religious philosophies, traditions and doctrines as to whether or not they are wrought in God or man.

This is why Paul warned the Faithful men of Colossi, and Jesus warned me, to take heed that I do not adopt the religious traditions and philosophies of this world God placed me in, and Jesus added specifically, a "many" who shall come in His Name" who "SHALL deceive many.

Col. 2: 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body "is of Christ**".

(**For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him)

You are free to select some of God's Commandments you don't like, and reject it. You won't get a judgment from me. It's a way of life a man can choose or not choose, in my view.

But if you try to promote that the Bible teaches men to select some of God's Commandments that they don't like and reject them, I would gladly debate this philosophy with you, as I don't believe the Spirit of Christ would promote such behavior.

HARK! · Friday at 7:15 PM

Hentenza said:
And that was not the Mosaic Torah since it was not written until Moses time

It was never Moses's Torah. It is eternally Yah's Torah.

(CLV) Ps 119:89
For the eon (לעולם), O Yahweh, Your word is stationed in the heavens.

Do you know what לעולם means?

Let's work backwards, to build from the ground up.

The first ל is a prefix that means "for."

If we drop that; it leaves us with עולם.

The root of עולם is עלם.

It is spelled Ayin, Lamed, Mem.

In Ancient Hebrew words were written with pictographs

In Ancient Hebrew the Ayin depicts an eye.
The Lamed depicts a shepherd's staff.
The Mem depicts water.

It can be interpreted as the eye is guided to the water.

Water covers what is beneath it. It obscures it from view.

עלם means to be hidden, obscured from sight, or unknown.

Now let's build on that root.

The Waw (ו) depicts a nail or a tent peg.

It can be interpreted as something that is affixed to something.

When we put that together with the root, it denotes that that what is obscured form sight is fixed in that way.

It means hidden from sight, past and future, always, never, eternally, perpetual, or everlasting.

His word is stationed in the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

This doesn't mean that we can pluck out his Shabbat.

HARK! · Friday at 7:16 PM

Hentenza said:
Cain did not keep the sabbath and neither did Abel.

The Moedim are Shabbats.

HARK! · Friday at 7:22 PM

Hentenza said:
Then cite the verse.

"The verse?" There are many.

Here is another great example of Yah's Olam Torah:

9 Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.

Moses had not yet written down that adultery was a sin.

Can adultery be plucked out along with the Sabbath?

Hentenza · Friday at 7:35 PM

Studyman said:
You are free to select some of God's Commandments you don't like, and reject it. You won't get a judgment from me. It's a way of life a man can choose or not choose, in my view.

But if you try to promote that the Bible teaches men to select some of God's Commandments that they don't like and reject them, I would gladly debate this philosophy with you, as I don't believe the Spirit of Christ would promote such behavior.

The only commandment that I am challenging is the 4th commandment and only when it leads to judgement. I cited Col. 2:16 in my OP for that reason. So if you can answer the requests I posted in the OP then I am all ears.

HARK! · Friday at 7:44 PM

Hentenza said:
The only commandment that I am challenging is the 4th commandment and only when it leads to judgement. I cited Col. 2:16 in my OP for that reason.

I addressed that verse here.

We agree that context is very important.

Studyman · Friday at 7:50 PM

HARK! said:
Yes I did; and there is evidence throughout the TaNaK that the Torah was kept before Moses wrote it down.

For example, Cain knew that murder was transgression of the Torah.

How did he know that before Moses wrote it down?

So here is a brain teaser for you:

Was the Torah the Torah before Moses wrote it down?

Hi Hark! Hope you have been well.

Somehow there are those who believe God showed His Sabbath Creation to the entire world, placed it in Holy Scriptures for thousands and thousands of years so that EVERYONE who has ever read a Bible, knows about God's Sabbath and it's institution at creation. Everyone but Adam, Noah and Abraham that is. He told them about clean and unclean animals, adultery, hating a brother in their heart, looking on the nakedness of Kin, but apparently it is not possible that even though God sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day of the week at the very creation, He never told anyone until the Exodus.

And even Jesus told them that the Sabbath was made for man. You can ask them, "When was it made for man"? And of course the Scriptures teach it was "Made" at creation. So somehow even though they call Jesus Lord, Lord, and HE tells them God's Sabbath was made for man, with no evidence, not Scripture no Biblical Support at all, they preach to others that God's Sabbath was not made for Noah, not made for Abraham or Joseph or Jacob.

Truly fascinating.

Hentenza · Friday at 7:50 PM

HARK! said:
I addressed that verse here.

We agree that context is very important.

Then post it here so we can discuss.

Hentenza · Friday at 7:53 PM

Studyman said:
Hi Hark! Hope you have been well.

Somehow there are those who believe God showed His Sabbath Creation to the entire world, placed it in Holy Scriptures for thousands and thousands of years so that EVERYONE who has ever read a Bible, knows about God's Sabbath and it's institution at creation. Everyone but Adam, Noah and Abraham that is. He told them about clean and unclean animals, adultery, hating a brother in their heart, looking on the nakedness of Kin, but apparently it is not possible that even though God sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day of the week at the very creation, He never told anyone until the Exodus.

And even Jesus told them that the Sabbath was made for man. You can ask them, "When was it made for man"? And of course the Scriptures teach it was "Made" at creation. So somehow even though they call Jesus Lord, Lord, and HE tells them God's Sabbath was made for man, with no evidence, not Scripture no Biblical Support at all, they preach to others that God's Sabbath was not made for Noah, not made for Abraham or Joseph or Jacob.

Truly fascinating.

Then post evidence that anyone kept the sabbath before Moses. You are adamant that the sabbath was kept from creation so there must be some evidence to that effect.

HARK! · Friday at 7:56 PM

Studyman said:
Hi Hark! Hope you have been well.

Somehow there are those who believe God showed His Sabbath Creation to the entire world, placed it in Holy Scriptures for thousands and thousands of years so that EVERYONE who has ever read a Bible, knows about God's Sabbath and it's institution at creation. Everyone but Adam, Noah and Abraham that is. He told them about clean and unclean animals, adultery, hating a brother in their heart, looking on the nakedness of Kin, but apparently it is not possible that even though God sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day of the week at the very creation, He never told anyone until the Exodus.

And even Jesus told them that the Sabbath was made for man. You can ask them, "When was it made for man"? And of course the Scriptures teach it was "Made" at creation. So somehow even though they call Jesus Lord, Lord, and HE tells them God's Sabbath was made for man, with no evidence, not Scripture no Biblical Support at all, they preach to others that God's Sabbath was not made for Noah, not made for Abraham or Joseph or Jacob.

Truly fascinating.

It is fascinating.; but what elevates this to puzzling, is that the whole world recognizes a 7 day week. 7...what an odd number...

HARK! · Friday at 8:00 PM

Hentenza said:
Then post evidence that anyone kept the sabbath before Moses.

I did in the first response to your thread, or do you reject that Yah is a person?

God in three persons

....blessed Trinity

Should we strike that song from the hymnals?

HARK! · Friday at 8:04 PM

Hentenza said:
Then post it here so we can discuss.

Colossians 2:16

(CLV) Col 2:16
Let no one, then, be judging you in food or in drink or in the particulars of a festival, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

Colossae is in Southwest Turkey. It's over a 800 mile walk from Jerusalem. There wasn't a strong Jewish presence there, judging the Pagans for eating what Pagans eat, nor drinking what Pagans drink, nor for observing their Pagan holidays.

Let's back up to verse 8.

(CLV) Col 2:8
Beware that no one shall be despoiling you through philosophy and empty seduction, in accord with human tradition, in accord with the elements of the world, and not in accord with Christ,

None of what is bolded has anything to do with following Torah.

Messiah wouldn't be taking part in Pagan holidays. He wouldn't be eating pigs sacrificed to Tammuz. He wouldn't be drinking blood.

Messiah would keep YHWH's appointed times and Sabbaths, even as Paul did, long after Yahshua had ascended.

(CLV) Col 2:21
"You should not be touching, nor yet tasting, nor yet coming into contact,"

(CLV) Col 2:22
(which things are all for corruption from use), in accord with the directions and teachings of men?

YHWH outlined in Leviticus what was given to us for food.

(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

When a believer begins following Paul; as Paul followed Yahshua; as Yahshua followed the Torah; he becomes subjected to pressure from his friends and family, to drag him back into his old ways.

I gave up pork when I was 16. Every time I would visit my grandmother; it was pork, no matter what the meal.
This battle lasted until I was in my mid 30's, after her daughter, my mother, died.

There was resistance when I stopped bringing trees into my home.

(CLV) Jer 10:2
Thus says Yahweh: The way of the nations, do not learn, And by the signs of the heavens, do not be dismayed, Though the nations are being dismayed by them.
(CLV) Jer 10:3
Indeed concerning the statutes of the peoples, it all is vanity, For one cuts it down, a tree from the wildwood, The work of an artificer's hands with an adz;
(CLV) Jer 10:4
With silver and with gold he makes it lovely; With nails and with hammers they fasten it, so that it cannot quaver.

When I stopped celebrating that winter solstice holiday; the resistance continued to intensify.

There is evidence that there was also a strong Gnostic community in Colossae.

(CLV) Col 2:21
"You should not be touching, nor yet tasting, nor yet coming into contact,"

(CLV) Col 2:22
(which things are all for corruption from use), in accord with the directions and teachings of men?—

(CLV) Col 2:23
which are (having, indeed, an expression of wisdom in a willful ritual and humility and asceticism) not of any value toward the surfeiting of the flesh.

Is this about Gnosticism, or is this about avoiding the abominable? One thing that's clear is that the YHWH's Torah does not fall under the directions and teachings of men.

Let's move to the next verse.

(CLV) Col 2:17
which are a shadow of those things which are impending—yet the body is the Christ's.

Here Paul explains that YHWH's Sabbath, and his Moedim (feasts), are a shadow of what is to come; and that the shadow is of Messiah.

Messiah was executed on Passover, without leaven, to begin the Moed of Unleavened Bread. He was risen on First Fruits. He brought us the Ruach Ha'Kodesh on Pentecost, that the Torah may be written on our hearts.

His first coming was connected with the Spring Moedim. His second coming may be connected to the Fall Moedim.

He will return on the final trump. This may be associated with the Feast of Trumpets. He will judge the world. This may be associated with the Day of Atonement. The Feast of Tabernacles may be associated with the wedding feast.

YHWH's moedim are appointements with the Father, and rehearsals.

Paul was encouraging the new converts not to let their Pagan and Gnostic, friends and family, judge them; as they walked near, in the shadow of Messiah, keeping in stride with YHWH's perfect Torah.

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