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Economics: Producers and Consumers, A.I.

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No. Evidence to support your claim that the wealthiest are "throwing their weight around in dictating pay and putting a thumb on the scale."
Are you not aware of the stagnation of wages and the growing wealth disparity?
Some confusion here. My comment was where AI sources its info; not the wealthiest.
I am aware, my point is that where AI is being trained isn't relevant to how it will impact economics. AI will replace service jobs, but doesn't appear to create new job opportunities.
 
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Are you not aware of the stagnation of wages and the growing wealth disparity?
Wages have not yet kept up with the extraordinary cumulative inflation during the previous administration. That takes time. Where is your evidence that the 8 wealthiest citizens are the cause of that effect?

As to growing wealth disparity, calculating one's wealth based on their equity portfolio makes the irrational assumption that those portfolios could be completely liquidated at the last transaction price for each stock held. Secondly, the fall in home prices, the alternate to store wealth, for most have dropped significantly. Do you have evidence that the same 8 people caused the deflation in home prices?
 
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I am aware, my point is that where AI is being trained isn't relevant to how it will impact economics. AI will replace service jobs, but doesn't appear to create new job opportunities.
Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. But not your facts.

Microsoft is leading with roughly $80 billion planned for AI-enabled data centers already in FY2025. The "Magnificent Seven" and other hyperscalers (Amazon, Google, Meta) are aggressively building, with investments, often labeled "greenfield," rising by over $125 billion in 2025.
 
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Wages have not yet kept up with the extraordinary cumulative inflation during the previous administration. That takes time. Where is your evidence that the 8 wealthiest citizens are the cause of that effect?
I'm not just talking about the last administration, but since the 80s.
As to growing wealth disparity, calculating one's wealth based on their equity portfolio makes the irrational assumption that those portfolios could be completely liquidated at the last transaction price for each stock held. Secondly, the fall in home prices, the alternate to store wealth, for most have dropped significantly. Do you have evidence that the same 8 people caused the deflation in home prices?
Why would there need to be a possibility of complete liquidation for there to be disproportionate influence and increased disparity between middle income and those at the top? In fact, the real issue with the wealth disparity is that those at the top can leverage debt without spending a dime or touching their assets. So there's no need for them to be able to liquidate at all.
Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. But not your facts.

Microsoft is leading with roughly $80 billion planned for AI-enabled data centers already in FY2025. The "Magnificent Seven" and other hyperscalers (Amazon, Google, Meta) are aggressively building, with investments, often labeled "greenfield," rising by over $125 billion in 2025.
And what job opportunities have those investments created? How much of that spending was on resources and infrastructure vs employment?
 
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I'm not just talking about the last administration, but since the 80s
Still need your evidence that wealthy people are the cause of inflation?
Why would there need to be a possibility of complete liquidation for there to be disproportionate influence and increased disparity between middle income and those at the top?
It is an inaccurate measure of those individuals wealth in dollars. Why do you think that 8 wealthy people caused a "disproportionate influence and increased disparity" is the question?
In fact, the real issue with the wealth disparity is that those at the top can leverage debt without spending a dime or touching their assets. So there's no need for them to be able to liquidate at all.
Why would the wealthiest people borrow more of what they already have in abundance?
And what job opportunities have those investments created? How much of that spending was on resources and infrastructure vs employment?
? Jobs immediately created include construction workers, pipe fitters, welders, cement truck operators ... I don't think I need to go on further.
 
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Still need your evidence that wealthy people are the cause of inflation?

It is an inaccurate measure of those individuals wealth in dollars. Why do you think that 8 wealthy people caused a "disproportionate influence and increased disparity" is the question?

Why would the wealthiest people borrow more of what they already have in abundance?

? Jobs immediately created include construction workers, pipe fitters, welders, cement truck operators ... I don't think I need to go on further.
All of those jobs are temporary and already existent jobs, so don't speak to what's supposed to replace the displaced workers AI is going to lead to.
 
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All of those jobs are temporary and already existent jobs, so don't speak to what's supposed to replace the displaced workers AI is going to lead to.
All jobs are temporary and persist only as long as demand for the output of those jobs continues. An increase in the quantity demanded of goods and services (such as those demanded by AI) will cause a corresponding increase in the quantity supplied for those goods and services. That means new jobs or fewer lost jobs (ECO 101).

What number of jobs will be displaced is presently unknown. We have your opinion as to new jobs AI will generate as the new "internet". Do you have any studies from reputable sources to support your opinion?
 
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