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Water Doesn’t Remove Sin!

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"Acts, the Mikveh & the Blood: How the Bible Defines Remission"

Scripture Study Principles

Myles Coverdale; a Bible theologian & translator from the 1500’s. He wrote the Coverdale Bible. Say's don't judge Scripture by what is spoken, or written only.

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
(NOTE: ALL scripture is written for our LEARNING. ALL scripture isn't written for our DOCTRINE.)
Example: Are NT believers required to bring an animal sacrifice to the Temple?

All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us.

Acts: A Transition Book
Acts maps the shift from the dispensation of Law to the dispensation of Grace. John the Baptist never baptized a Gentile in the Judean wilderness & no Gentile receives the Holy Spirit at Pentecost on the Temple Mount (Acts 2). The categories are 100% Jewish from start to finish.

Understanding Baptism Through Jewish Eyes
(NOTE: Source: Jewish Virtual Library, Topical Bible, Sefaria & Hirsch)

Under the Mosaic Law, Israel practiced many ceremonial water‑purification immersions (Ex 30; Lev 6, 13–16, 22).

Every Israelite understood the pattern:
Unclean > immerse > clean.

Impure > immerse > pure.

Out of fellowship > immerse > restored.

These immersions never removed sin. They restored ritual purity, not forgiveness.

A full Mikveh (precursor to NT baptism) immersion purification ritual expressed: I acknowledge I've been in an unclean state, I'm turning away from that state, I'm returning to covenant faithfulness, I'm restoring my ritual status before God & community

John, Jesus, & Peter all spoke Aramaic & Hebrew, where repent meant > return to God. See Strong's Hebrew repent: h7725. שׁוּב (shub) -- Return, turn back, restore

Category Is Purification:
Jn 3:25 records a dispute between John's disciples about purification. Not forgiveness. Not salvation. PURIFICATION! This is exactly how Jews interpreted immersion.
(NOTE: John the Baptist, his disciples, & Jesus' disciples all performed the baptism of repentance.)

Acts 19:4 confirms John's baptism was a baptism of repentance, preparing Israel to believe in the coming Messiah. It was not a remission ritual.

John the Baptist's mission was to prepare the way of the Lord (Mal 3:1 & Matt 3:3). His "baptism of repentance" was preparatory, not remissive.
Confession of sins = acknowledging they had turned away > Immersion = becoming ceremonially clean > This is Mosaic purification, not atonement.

Acts & the Purification Pattern

Acts 2:38
Repent, and be baptized every one of you "in the name of Jesus Christ" "for" "the remission of sins", and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
(NOTE: Repent = return to God. Be baptized = purify yourself (unclean > clean). Remission comes by calling on the Messiah, not by water. Peter is speaking to Israel, using the same purification categories they ALL knew)

Acts 22:16 “Be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
(NOTE: The washing is symbolic > the calling is effective.)

Acts 8:12 “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
(NOTE: They believed Philip's preaching, then were baptized. Faith precedes water. Remission is tied to Christ, not immersion.)

"Nothing external removes sin."

Faith in the NAME saves, Faith in the BLOOD removes sin & the Jesus HOLY SPIRIT Baptism Forever seals the believers salvation. Water is a obedience response.

Scripture is clear:
"Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22).

Jesus said, “This is My blood > shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:28).

He washed us from our sins in His own blood (Rev 1:5).

High Priest Foreshadow

Lev 16:21, Aaron laid both hands on the substitute, confessed the sins of the nation & imputes/transfers the sins onto the innocent victim. That was the foreshadow.

Jesus is the fulfillment.

Heb identifies Jesus as our great High Priest (Heb 4:14), called by God after the order of Melchizedek (Heb 5:10) & Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb 9:15; 12:24)

Under the Old Covenant, the priest transferred sin. Under the New Covenant, Christ performs the real sin‑transfer.

When we call on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21 & Rom 10:13) & place our faith in Jesus' sin-atoning death & resurrection, He forgives all our sins (Heb 10:10–18) & imputes our sins onto Himself (Heb 10:10; 2 Cor 5:19; Rom 4:8, 11, 22–24). At that same moment, He baptizes the believer with His forever (Jn 14:16), salvation‑sealing (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22, 2 Cor 5:5) indwelling Holy Spirit you.

Anyone can immerse someone into water. Only Jesus, who knows the true heart, can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit. Jesus then imputes His righteousness to us (2 Cor 5:21 & Ja 2:23) & the believer becomes the righteousness of God, thru faith placed in Christ.)

Salvation Across the Ages

Before the incarnation, God required FAITH in the promised Messiah who would come (Gen 15:6 & Isa 53). During Jesus' earthly ministry, people were called to BELIEVE that He was the Messiah (Jn 20:31). After His death & resurrection, salvation is accessed through FAITH (Rom 5:1-2) in His finished, sin‑atoning work (Rom 3:25–26 & 1 Cor 15:1–4). In every era, salvation has always been by FAITH in God's Messiah & never by ritual, never by water, never by external acts.

The Gentile Timeline
The categories remained Jewish long after Pentecost. Acts shows a deliberate 7–10 year gap between:
Gentile inclusion (Cornelius, Acts 10), Gentile evangelism (Paul, Acts 13). Years after Cornelius, the Jerusalem church was still preaching "to Jews only" (Acts 11:19).

Why This Matters:
Neither John's water baptism nor early Acts water baptisms were ever the mechanism of remission. Water purified the ceremonially unclean. Only Faith in Jesus saves, His perpetually cleansing blood removes sin (Lev 17:11) & His Spirit baptism gives eternal life.

Two Sacraments every Believer should Partake in:

Water Baptism, a public identification with Jesus death & resurrection. An act of obedience/a gateway to discipleship. This undertaking is an outward physical expression, of the inner spiritual transformation activated, when Christ baptized you with His eternal life giving Holy Spirit.

Communion, both these actions are commanded acts are commanded by the Lord Himself. Neither action is the doorway leading to eternal salvation. These events follow the salvation sealing Holy Spirit baptism, performed by Christ alone. See Matt 3:11, Lk 3:16, Mk 1:8, Jn 1:33, Acts 1:4-5, 2:38, 10:45, 11:16)

Conclusion
Faith in Jesus sacrificial sin atoning work SAVES, His BLOOD washes away sin & Jesus baptism in/of/with His FOREVER (Jn 14:16) indwelling Holy Spirit SEALS (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) the believers eternal life. AMEN & Amen
 
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Jesus took away the sin of the world on the cross.
Do you think that was an automatic action
In itself to just take away the sins of the world,
Like an eraser on a chalkboard?

Jesus WAS the Propitiation for sins to having
The Power to be forgiven, by His selfless act
In obedience to The Father, now we must
Act accordingly in appreciation of His great
Sacrifice.
 
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Do you think that was an automatic action
In itself to just take away the sins of the world,
Like an eraser on a chalkboard?

Jesus WAS the Propitiation for sins to having
The Power to be forgiven, by His selfless act
In obedience to The Father, now we must
Act accordingly in appreciation of His great
Sacrifice.
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People do not end up in the lake of fire because of sin. They end up in the lake of fire because they never believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.
 
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People do not end up in the lake of fire because of sin. They end up in the lake of fire because they never believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.
People do go to Gehenna because of unrepentant sins.
There are conditions to being Repentent.
Its not Free without Repentance!

If conditions are not met there is no
Forgiveness of sins.

For instance certain sins have to have
Restitution, or its not forgiven.

God requires what He outlines for
Repentance, not for what Man requires.
 
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People do go to Gehenna because of unrepentant sins.
There are conditions to being Repentent.
Its not Free without Repentance!

If conditions are not met there is no
Forgiveness of sins.

For instance certain sins have to have
Restitution, or its not forgiven.

God requires what He outlines for
Repentance, not for what Man requires.
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No they do not, they go because their name is not found in the book of life. Which has noting to do with sin and is 100% about not believing in Jesus for Eternal Life.

And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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No they do not, they go because their name is not found in the book of life. Which has noting to do with sin and is 100% about not believing in Jesus for Eternal Life.

And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Ok if this is your belief, but what would you
Say with regard to prerequisites Jesus laid out for us to being assured we are walking in His ways and His truths, anything?
 
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Ok if this is your belief, but what would you
Say with regard to prerequisites Jesus laid out for us to being assured we are walking in His ways and His truths, anything?
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To be assured a person is walking in Jesus' ways. First that person must have believed in Jesus (the person) for Eternal Life (God's free gift).

Then after becoming a permanent born again child of God they should live their life. in a close walk in growing as a child of God. that comes from finding a teacher and church that correctly teaches the responsibility of a believer in Jesus.

One would be living their life as distant from sin and the world as one could that is still in the world. But they must remember they are now in the family of God. If they get off track they break fellowship with God their Father and to get back into fellowship they will need to leave the sin or sins that has caused this break in fellowship.

What Is a Spiritual Believer? – Grace Evangelical Society

Believers and the Bema – Grace Evangelical Society
 
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"Acts, the Mikveh & the Blood: How the Bible Defines Remission"

Scripture Study Principles

Myles Coverdale; a Bible theologian & translator from the 1500’s. He wrote the Coverdale Bible. Say's don't judge Scripture by what is spoken, or written only.

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
(NOTE: ALL scripture is written for our LEARNING. ALL scripture isn't written for our DOCTRINE.)
Example: Are NT believers required to bring an animal sacrifice to the Temple?

All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us.

Acts: A Transition Book
Acts maps the shift from the dispensation of Law to the dispensation of Grace. John the Baptist never baptized a Gentile in the Judean wilderness & no Gentile receives the Holy Spirit at Pentecost on the Temple Mount (Acts 2). The categories are 100% Jewish from start to finish.

Understanding Baptism Through Jewish Eyes
(NOTE: Source: Jewish Virtual Library, Topical Bible, Sefaria & Hirsch)

Under the Mosaic Law, Israel practiced many ceremonial water‑purification immersions (Ex 30; Lev 6, 13–16, 22).

Every Israelite understood the pattern:
Unclean > immerse > clean.

Impure > immerse > pure.

Out of fellowship > immerse > restored.

These immersions never removed sin. They restored ritual purity, not forgiveness.

A full Mikveh (precursor to NT baptism) immersion purification ritual expressed: I acknowledge I've been in an unclean state, I'm turning away from that state, I'm returning to covenant faithfulness, I'm restoring my ritual status before God & community

John, Jesus, & Peter all spoke Aramaic & Hebrew, where repent meant > return to God. See Strong's Hebrew repent: h7725. שׁוּב (shub) -- Return, turn back, restore

Category Is Purification:
Jn 3:25 records a dispute between John's disciples about purification. Not forgiveness. Not salvation. PURIFICATION! This is exactly how Jews interpreted immersion.
(NOTE: John the Baptist, his disciples, & Jesus' disciples all performed the baptism of repentance.)

Acts 19:4 confirms John's baptism was a baptism of repentance, preparing Israel to believe in the coming Messiah. It was not a remission ritual.

John the Baptist's mission was to prepare the way of the Lord (Mal 3:1 & Matt 3:3). His "baptism of repentance" was preparatory, not remissive.
Confession of sins = acknowledging they had turned away > Immersion = becoming ceremonially clean > This is Mosaic purification, not atonement.

Acts & the Purification Pattern

Acts 2:38
Repent, and be baptized every one of you "in the name of Jesus Christ" "for" "the remission of sins", and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
(NOTE: Repent = return to God. Be baptized = purify yourself (unclean > clean). Remission comes by calling on the Messiah, not by water. Peter is speaking to Israel, using the same purification categories they ALL knew)

Acts 22:16 “Be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
(NOTE: The washing is symbolic > the calling is effective.)

Acts 8:12 “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
(NOTE: They believed Philip's preaching, then were baptized. Faith precedes water. Remission is tied to Christ, not immersion.)

"Nothing external removes sin."

Faith in the NAME saves, Faith in the BLOOD removes sin & the Jesus HOLY SPIRIT Baptism Forever seals the believers salvation. Water is a obedience response.

Scripture is clear:
"Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22).

Jesus said, “This is My blood > shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:28).

He washed us from our sins in His own blood (Rev 1:5).

High Priest Foreshadow

Lev 16:21, Aaron laid both hands on the substitute, confessed the sins of the nation & imputes/transfers the sins onto the innocent victim. That was the foreshadow.

Jesus is the fulfillment.

Heb identifies Jesus as our great High Priest (Heb 4:14), called by God after the order of Melchizedek (Heb 5:10) & Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb 9:15; 12:24)

Under the Old Covenant, the priest transferred sin. Under the New Covenant, Christ performs the real sin‑transfer.

When we call on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21 & Rom 10:13) & place our faith in Jesus' sin-atoning death & resurrection, He forgives all our sins (Heb 10:10–18) & imputes our sins onto Himself (Heb 10:10; 2 Cor 5:19; Rom 4:8, 11, 22–24). At that same moment, He baptizes the believer with His forever (Jn 14:16), salvation‑sealing (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22, 2 Cor 5:5) indwelling Holy Spirit you.

Anyone can immerse someone into water. Only Jesus, who knows the true heart, can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit. Jesus then imputes His righteousness to us (2 Cor 5:21 & Ja 2:23) & the believer becomes the righteousness of God, thru faith placed in Christ.)

Salvation Across the Ages

Before the incarnation, God required FAITH in the promised Messiah who would come (Gen 15:6 & Isa 53). During Jesus' earthly ministry, people were called to BELIEVE that He was the Messiah (Jn 20:31). After His death & resurrection, salvation is accessed through FAITH (Rom 5:1-2) in His finished, sin‑atoning work (Rom 3:25–26 & 1 Cor 15:1–4). In every era, salvation has always been by FAITH in God's Messiah & never by ritual, never by water, never by external acts.

The Gentile Timeline
The categories remained Jewish long after Pentecost. Acts shows a deliberate 7–10 year gap between:
Gentile inclusion (Cornelius, Acts 10), Gentile evangelism (Paul, Acts 13). Years after Cornelius, the Jerusalem church was still preaching "to Jews only" (Acts 11:19).

Why This Matters:
Neither John's water baptism nor early Acts water baptisms were ever the mechanism of remission. Water purified the ceremonially unclean. Only Faith in Jesus saves, His perpetually cleansing blood removes sin (Lev 17:11) & His Spirit baptism gives eternal life.

Two Sacraments every Believer should Partake in:

Water Baptism, a public identification with Jesus death & resurrection. An act of obedience/a gateway to discipleship. This undertaking is an outward physical expression, of the inner spiritual transformation activated, when Christ baptized you with His eternal life giving Holy Spirit.

Communion, both these actions are commanded acts are commanded by the Lord Himself. Neither action is the doorway leading to eternal salvation. These events follow the salvation sealing Holy Spirit baptism, performed by Christ alone. See Matt 3:11, Lk 3:16, Mk 1:8, Jn 1:33, Acts 1:4-5, 2:38, 10:45, 11:16)

Conclusion
Faith in Jesus sacrificial sin atoning work SAVES, His BLOOD washes away sin & Jesus baptism in/of/with His FOREVER (Jn 14:16) indwelling Holy Spirit SEALS (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) the believers eternal life. AMEN & Amen
And the word REPENT // METANOEO. G 3340. means TO CHANGE YOUR MIND is. in. the IMPERATIVE MOOD

and MOOD is a command to REPENT and is in. the AORIST TENSE is in. the PAST TENSE and not for TODAY

and in. the ACTIVE VOICE and it is NOT FOR TODAY , PERIOD. !!

dan p
 
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People do not end up in the lake of fire because of sin. They end up in the lake of fire because they never believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.
Unbelief is a sin as well

John 16:9
 
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No one was made sinless in this present life before or after the cross other than One Man, Jesus, God in the flesh who has never been a sinner to start with.

What was disclosed at the cross is "attribution." Sins are not and never were attributed to people.

Sins are attributed to the devil and his messengers.

Since scripture presents these two parties are overlapped in this present life it's problematic to PERCEIVE it, personally applied.

But any common believer should know their encounters with internal temptations of the tempter, it would seem.

So, sins are not counted against YOU, but that does not apply to the tempter or his own in anyone, and yes, we all have our own personal tempter. Mark 4:15, 2 Cor. 12:7, 1 John 3:8 and many others of course.

Jesus showed this fact on every page of the Gospels, addressing other parties in mankind that were not people. It's disclosed in the O.T. as well, right there in the garden, as stated to the snake, the tempter, "Because thou has done this..."

It hasn't changed
 
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Feel free to provide a brief summary from your site that eliminates unbelief as a sin.

Include blasphemy as well if you want to cite sins not covered.

Or just state your position is limited atonement as some sects positions have.

Every sect has limited atonement positions fwiw so nothing personal. I have a limited atonement position as well, i.e. not effective for the devil and his messengers
 
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Feel free to provide a brief summary from your site that eliminates unbelief as a sin.

Include blasphemy as well if you want to cite sins not covered.

Or just state your position is limited atonement as some sects positions have.

Every sect has limited atonement positions fwiw so nothing personal. I have a limited atonement position as well, i.e. not effective for the devil and his messengers
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No, you are welcome to read the article.
 
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No, you are welcome to read the article.
I don't click on possible unsafe links, particularly of the claimed religious sort

People should know where they stand anyway without appealing to sect spam
 
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I don't click on possible unsafe links, particularly of the claimed religious sort

People should know where they stand anyway without appealing to sect spam
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Que Sera. Your loss! Zane Hodges is the best and most accurate Biblical teacher I have read.

I know where i stand. i have believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life and that Jesus has taken away the sin of the world, even sins of unbelievers. So sin is not an issue in receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life. The only condition is belief and the object of a person's belief, if it is not in Jesus. then there is a big problem that person will face.
 
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"Acts, the Mikveh & the Blood: How the Bible Defines Remission"

Scripture Study Principles

Myles Coverdale; a Bible theologian & translator from the 1500’s. He wrote the Coverdale Bible. Say's don't judge Scripture by what is spoken, or written only.

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
(NOTE: ALL scripture is written for our LEARNING. ALL scripture isn't written for our DOCTRINE.)
Example: Are NT believers required to bring an animal sacrifice to the Temple?

All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us.

Acts: A Transition Book
Acts maps the shift from the dispensation of Law to the dispensation of Grace. John the Baptist never baptized a Gentile in the Judean wilderness & no Gentile receives the Holy Spirit at Pentecost on the Temple Mount (Acts 2). The categories are 100% Jewish from start to finish.

Understanding Baptism Through Jewish Eyes
(NOTE: Source: Jewish Virtual Library, Topical Bible, Sefaria & Hirsch)

Under the Mosaic Law, Israel practiced many ceremonial water‑purification immersions (Ex 30; Lev 6, 13–16, 22).

Every Israelite understood the pattern:
Unclean > immerse > clean.

Impure > immerse > pure.

Out of fellowship > immerse > restored.

These immersions never removed sin. They restored ritual purity, not forgiveness.

A full Mikveh (precursor to NT baptism) immersion purification ritual expressed: I acknowledge I've been in an unclean state, I'm turning away from that state, I'm returning to covenant faithfulness, I'm restoring my ritual status before God & community

John, Jesus, & Peter all spoke Aramaic & Hebrew, where repent meant > return to God. See Strong's Hebrew repent: h7725. שׁוּב (shub) -- Return, turn back, restore

Category Is Purification:
Jn 3:25 records a dispute between John's disciples about purification. Not forgiveness. Not salvation. PURIFICATION! This is exactly how Jews interpreted immersion.
(NOTE: John the Baptist, his disciples, & Jesus' disciples all performed the baptism of repentance.)

Acts 19:4 confirms John's baptism was a baptism of repentance, preparing Israel to believe in the coming Messiah. It was not a remission ritual.

John the Baptist's mission was to prepare the way of the Lord (Mal 3:1 & Matt 3:3). His "baptism of repentance" was preparatory, not remissive.
Confession of sins = acknowledging they had turned away > Immersion = becoming ceremonially clean > This is Mosaic purification, not atonement.

Acts & the Purification Pattern

Acts 2:38
Repent, and be baptized every one of you "in the name of Jesus Christ" "for" "the remission of sins", and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
(NOTE: Repent = return to God. Be baptized = purify yourself (unclean > clean). Remission comes by calling on the Messiah, not by water. Peter is speaking to Israel, using the same purification categories they ALL knew)

Acts 22:16 “Be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
(NOTE: The washing is symbolic > the calling is effective.)

Acts 8:12 “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
(NOTE: They believed Philip's preaching, then were baptized. Faith precedes water. Remission is tied to Christ, not immersion.)

"Nothing external removes sin."

Faith in the NAME saves, Faith in the BLOOD removes sin & the Jesus HOLY SPIRIT Baptism Forever seals the believers salvation. Water is a obedience response.

Scripture is clear:
"Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22).

Jesus said, “This is My blood > shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:28).

He washed us from our sins in His own blood (Rev 1:5).

High Priest Foreshadow

Lev 16:21, Aaron laid both hands on the substitute, confessed the sins of the nation & imputes/transfers the sins onto the innocent victim. That was the foreshadow.

Jesus is the fulfillment.

Heb identifies Jesus as our great High Priest (Heb 4:14), called by God after the order of Melchizedek (Heb 5:10) & Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb 9:15; 12:24)

Under the Old Covenant, the priest transferred sin. Under the New Covenant, Christ performs the real sin‑transfer.

When we call on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21 & Rom 10:13) & place our faith in Jesus' sin-atoning death & resurrection, He forgives all our sins (Heb 10:10–18) & imputes our sins onto Himself (Heb 10:10; 2 Cor 5:19; Rom 4:8, 11, 22–24). At that same moment, He baptizes the believer with His forever (Jn 14:16), salvation‑sealing (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22, 2 Cor 5:5) indwelling Holy Spirit you.

Anyone can immerse someone into water. Only Jesus, who knows the true heart, can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit. Jesus then imputes His righteousness to us (2 Cor 5:21 & Ja 2:23) & the believer becomes the righteousness of God, thru faith placed in Christ.)

Salvation Across the Ages

Before the incarnation, God required FAITH in the promised Messiah who would come (Gen 15:6 & Isa 53). During Jesus' earthly ministry, people were called to BELIEVE that He was the Messiah (Jn 20:31). After His death & resurrection, salvation is accessed through FAITH (Rom 5:1-2) in His finished, sin‑atoning work (Rom 3:25–26 & 1 Cor 15:1–4). In every era, salvation has always been by FAITH in God's Messiah & never by ritual, never by water, never by external acts.

The Gentile Timeline
The categories remained Jewish long after Pentecost. Acts shows a deliberate 7–10 year gap between:
Gentile inclusion (Cornelius, Acts 10), Gentile evangelism (Paul, Acts 13). Years after Cornelius, the Jerusalem church was still preaching "to Jews only" (Acts 11:19).

Why This Matters:
Neither John's water baptism nor early Acts water baptisms were ever the mechanism of remission. Water purified the ceremonially unclean. Only Faith in Jesus saves, His perpetually cleansing blood removes sin (Lev 17:11) & His Spirit baptism gives eternal life.

Two Sacraments every Believer should Partake in:

Water Baptism, a public identification with Jesus death & resurrection. An act of obedience/a gateway to discipleship. This undertaking is an outward physical expression, of the inner spiritual transformation activated, when Christ baptized you with His eternal life giving Holy Spirit.

Communion, both these actions are commanded acts are commanded by the Lord Himself. Neither action is the doorway leading to eternal salvation. These events follow the salvation sealing Holy Spirit baptism, performed by Christ alone. See Matt 3:11, Lk 3:16, Mk 1:8, Jn 1:33, Acts 1:4-5, 2:38, 10:45, 11:16)

Conclusion
Faith in Jesus sacrificial sin atoning work SAVES, His BLOOD washes away sin & Jesus baptism in/of/with His FOREVER (Jn 14:16) indwelling Holy Spirit SEALS (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) the believers eternal life. AMEN & Amen
And Acts 2:38 says and be BAPTIZED //. BAPTIZO. is a verb in. the AORIST TENSE and I something that HAPPENED. only one time as it in. the SINGULAR. meaning. ONLY ONE TIME

in passed time and is irrelevant and is in the SINGULAR and. you WANT to be in. the FAITH. 1 Tim. 1:4. nor to.

attention to FABLES and endless Genealogies which cause questions , rather than GOD.'S DISPENSATION

the ONE BY FAITH !!

An Paul is the only one that preaches GOD'S GOSPEL in Rom 1:1. having been SEPERATED //. APHORIZE

and means LIMITED to ONLY PREACH. GOD'S GOSPEL. ONLY to be saved by GRACE ONLY. !!

And anyone says there is another way to be saved YOU ALL THROWING YOU LIFE AWAY. !!

dan p
 
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I know where i stand. i have believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life and that Jesus has taken away the sin of the world, even sins of unbelievers. So sin is not an issue in receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life. The only condition is belief and the object of a person's belief, if it is not in Jesus. then there is a big problem that person will face.
I know where you stand as well. Been there, done that. Til I was challenged when claiming the double dealing position you're espousing, that Jesus took away ALL sins, even the sins of the unbelievers

EXCEPT...the sin of unbelief

Your positional claim is that was an exception, and not taken away. Jesus apparently left that sin still on the table for the majority.


So it's not as all encompassing as your position presumes and presents.

It's a nice angle though. I appreciated it at the time
 
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I know where you stand as well. Been there, done that. Til I was challenged when claiming the double dealing position you're espousing, that Jesus took away ALL sins, even the sins of the unbelievers

EXCEPT...the sin of unbelief

Your positional claim is that was an exception, and not taken away. Jesus apparently left that sin still on the table for the majority.


So it's not as all encompassing as your position presumes and presents.

It's a nice angle though. I appreciated it at the time
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No you do not you know nothing about my beliefs. As you can not see them, you are blinded by your sinned closed mind or by satan.


And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Nowhere is there an exception in The Bible where it states Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. Except for the sin of unbelief. It only exist in your flawed theology.
 
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