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Systemic racism in the USA: Are whites "guiltier" if they had slavery in their past?

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I’m a boomer and I don’t live in the past. There are subsets of people of every race that don’t like the other. I’ve met black people that simple don’t like white people while I have also met white people that simple don’t like black people. Folks blame the whites more than the blacks but I think this is just a factor of population. Roughly 60% of the US population is white while 20% are Hispanic and 13% are black. The majority will have a louder voice than the minority. It’s just the way it is. The moniker “white privilege” lives in the minds of a subset of progressive liberals.
Sure, there will always be what I call "majority supremacy" anywhere you go. Go to China--there will be Chinese supremacy. There isn't and probably will never be a functional nation in which a multitude of cultures (in the sense of the deeper meaning of "culture") will exist with equality.

A nation with a firmly embedded majority culture can tolerate a surface level of multi-culturality, however. By "surface level," I mean things like food and music. But deeper levels of culture involve concepts of truth, justice, honor, respect, even concepts of time that have to be commonly accepted in a functional society.


I’m Hispanic but I’ve never let this fact get in the way of my advancement. I’ve never let the thought of the abuses perpetrated by the US in Latin America through out the years influence the way I act or pursue my life. The beauty of the US economic system is that all that want to advance can advance but those that live their lives in the past with a chip on their shoulder will just complain. Secondly, as a historian I don’t morally judge the past using today’s morals. Slavery was legal then and also driven by the very Africans that complain today. None of the black people living today were slaves. We need to learn from history, not cover it up, so that we don’t commit again what we believe are errors of the past today. History happened already and can’t be changed just learned from.
Yeah, slavery was 'way back then, but Jim Crow is still in the experience and minds of many people living and active today.
 
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Is that because they also were more efficient at building civilizations that all wanted to come to and the builders found it hard to share on an equal basis??
No it’s because we were better killing people and taking over their countries.
 
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Sure, there will always be what I call "majority supremacy" anywhere you go. Go to China--there will be Chinese supremacy. There isn't and probably will never be a functional nation in which a multitude of cultures (in the sense of the deeper meaning of "culture") will exist with equality.

A nation with a firmly embedded majority culture can tolerate a surface level of multi-culturality, however. By "surface level," I mean things like food and music. But deeper levels of culture involve concepts of truth, justice, honor, respect, even concepts of time that have to be commonly accepted in a functional society.
Agreed.
Yeah, slavery was 'way back then, but Jim Crow is still in the experience and minds of many people living and active today.
Jim Crow laws ended in the mid sixties, over 60 years ago. Only the old people remember it and they were still not slaves. They have a tendency of clouding the minds of the younger generations. It’s time to stop living in the past.
 
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No it’s because we were better killing people and taking over their countries.
The point is did they leave the countries the same? Why the influx to white dominated countries by all and not to their own? What is it about white dominated lands that attracts others?
 
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Jim Crow laws ended in the mid sixties, over 60 years ago. Only the old people remember it and they were still not slaves. They have a tendency of clouding the minds of the younger generations. It’s time to stop living in the past.
It's the rare sapling that does not grow as it is bent.

Nor did Jim Crow laws or their effects end abruptly with the signing of the Civil Rights Act.
 
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The point is did they leave the countries the same? Why the influx to white dominated countries by all and not to their own? What is it about white dominated lands that attracts others?
The issue wasn't people from Asia or Africa or South America attempting to stream into Europe, the problem was Europeans going everywhere else.
 
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It's the rare sapling that does not grow as it is bent.

Nor did Jim Crow laws or their effects end abruptly with the signing of the Civil Rights Act.
The Jim Crow laws did end though but some live their lives like they never did. My point is that is time to stop living in the past. The most we emphasize our differences the more racism occurs. Some folks are hell bent on emphasizing our differences.
 
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The Jim Crow laws did end though but some live their lives like they never did. My point is that is time to stop living in the past. The most we emphasize our differences the more racism occurs. Some folks are hell bent on emphasizing our differences.
Nice to say, and I even thought it for a long time, but the last 15 years have taught me the past doesn't die any earlier than the people who lived it, and it's luck if it dies even that quickly.
 
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I disagree because people are diverse and the vast majority of people in America today think slavery and racism are detestable. And just for the record I’m white and have lived in Texas my whole life, over 50 years. So no, most people today aren’t “tainted” by events that took place long before any of us were born.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (as well as the now nearly useless Voting Rights Act of 1965), came into existence because we understood that even though slavery had ended, racial discrimination was still in full effect for much of the nation…should the CRA be repealed, how quickly do you think that “no blacks” signs would appear?
 
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The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (as well as the now nearly useless Voting Rights Act of 1965), came into existence because we understood that even though slavery had ended, racial discrimination was still in full effect for much of the nation…should the CRA be repealed, how quickly do you think that “no blacks” signs would appear?
I think any business owner who posted whites only signs in their business wouldn’t be in business long because people today would be so appalled by it they’d go out of their way to not do business there.
 
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I think any business owner who posted whites only signs in their business wouldn’t be in business long because people today would be so appalled by it they’d go out of their way to not do business there.
Yeah, if anyone put forward anything racist then they'd vote with their feet. Unfortunately it seems to have no effect when it comes to an actual vote.
 
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I think any business owner who posted whites only signs in their business wouldn’t be in business long because people today would be so appalled by it they’d go out of their way to not do business there.
A posted sign wouldn't be necessary. It wasn't always necessary even before the CRA (and not afterward, either).
 
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A posted sign wouldn't be necessary. It wasn't always necessary even before the CRA (and not afterward, either).
True that, there’s still “sundown towns”.
 
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True that, there’s still “sundown towns”.
Back in 1963, my family and I made a road trip from Oklahoma to Florida. That was, of course, prior to the Civil Rights Act, and it was also before most of the Interstate system was in operation.

But back then, we had to drive on state highways through the center of every single town on the route from Oklahoma through Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and into Florida. Frankly, every town was a sundown town when you're unfamiliar with them.

So, whenever we had to stop for gas or food or whatever, my father would get out first to see if we would be served. Most often, he came back shaking his head and we drove on.

I remember him saying that he was looking for a Howard Johnson's restaurant, which were common in the larger cities. For many years afterward, I gave HoJo's mental credit for being progressive for integrating their restaurants. It was years later that I discovered HoJo had only just then been forced to integrated because they'd lost an FTC lawsuit. Being an interstate corporation, the feds had jurisdiction over them. We had found one HoJo on the way, and ate there...but I did notice their "Black Sambo" restaurant motif.

My wife's story is a little different. They were a husband, wife, and four girls. When they traveled those roads and towns, he drove primarily at night to avoid as much contact with white people as possible. When they found a place for food, they stocked up so that they wouldn't have to stop any more often than necessary. They stopped at the side of the road (this was at night) to urinate. Otherwise...just got constipated.

Today on the Interstate, a "sundown town" is just an exit that I zoom past at 70mph.
 
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