Christian nationalist pastor McPherson: "Empathy is aligned with hell."

2PhiloVoid · Monday at 11:14 AM

Hentenza said:
And the expectation is that sinners will repent of their sin.

But there should definitively be the expectation for new sinners coming into the church that they will be immediately affirmed with compassion as human beings first, and then encouraged, directed, and supported in reorienting their lives and minds away from the 'form' of this world and instead toward Jesus Christ.

If they have a safe space in which to 'repent,' then they might do so.

I know one thing though: when I first began engaging Christianity and read the New Testament for the first time, it wasn't the Southern Baptist Church I began attending at the invitation of a few friends who 'made it possible' to come to Christ. If anything, I often felt out of place there and it was ever and only Christ and His Words that 'made it possible.' Otherwise, I'd still be a piece of driftwood in the culture. I've had enough to put up with my life already than to add to those pressures loud mouthed, so-called 'tough love' Christians.

Frankly, I don't put up with Christians anywhere in any shape or form who come at me with so-called "tough love." They can pan it. And I'm sorry to have to say it like that. I only respond to encouragement and will 'put up with' sound doctrine given through honest and compassionately tempered exhortation. Anything less will only serve to aggravate me.

In relation to this thread, and for anyone who is interested in giving it a listen, I suggest this not too lengthy video by John Ortberg addressing how some Christians (although obviously not all of us) can be 'mean'............

Servus · Monday at 11:34 AM

Yarddog said:
The flag has little to do with anything. Rainbows can represent many things, but it doesn't mean gay sex. I'm not in denial. I know what Catholics are doing when they support gay communities' rights to live without harassment. Catholics also support Muslims to live without harassment, but we don't share the same beliefs.

Nope that is absolutely 100% the full LGBTQQIP2SA+ PRIDE flag.

Yarddog said:
The Right has taken a simple word and twisted its initial use by African-American communities. Jesus was woke and I am proud to say that I support social awareness, as all Christians are called to do. Hypocrites have altered the meaning to make it something bad and even the Right has no clue as to how they use the word "Woke". They just slap on anything that they don't like and bring attention to their hypocrisy. Jesus condemned the hypocrisy of Jewish "elites" and he would also condemn the hypocrisy of both right and left, in the US, today.

Jesus condemned the priests for exercising human ideology rather than Godly ideals. Zacchaeus was one of the elites.

o_mlly · Monday at 12:10 PM

Servus said:
When the full LGBTQQIP2SA+ flag is part of the church podium there is a serious problem taking place.

I agree. The priest's bishop should, if he has not already, have disciplined the priest. Such disciplining is usually done privately. However, if the infraction continues stronger canonical action may be taken. Such was the case for flying such flags outside the facility. Flying them in the sanctuary is all the worse.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/catholic-church-strips-worcester-schools-affiliation-over-pride-blm-flags/2750028/

Akita Suggagaki · Monday at 12:15 PM

Servus said:
No mater how much one tries to gloss it over, or is in denial, the Catholic Church is obviously going LGBTQQIP2SA+
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They might as well have a Pentagram in place of that flag. They're selling out to the world and the master of this world. Perhaps this is what Paul is talking about in 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12.

You don’t know the Catholic church very well.
There are priests that might display all minds of visual symbols. There always have been a wide variety of opinions, interests and concerns. Some get reined in. Others ignored, some affirmed. To claim the Catholic Churches is going lgbtq whatever is silly. Whatever you even mean by that.

Sexuality has always been a delicate issue. But show me a teaching. Show me in catechism where you think it strays.

Servus · Monday at 12:25 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
You don’t know the Catholic church very well.
There are priests that might display all minds of visual symbols. There always have been a wide variety of opinions, interests and concerns. Some get reined in. Others ignored, some affirmed. To claim the Catholic Churches is going lgbtq whatever is silly. Whatever you even mean by that.

I also included protestant churches but the person I was talking to insisted on focusing on the Catholic church. As for what I mean, did you read all of my posts or just the one you replied to?

Akita Suggagaki said:
Sexuality has always been a delicate issue. But show me a teaching. Show me in catechism where you think it strays.

Priests wearing LGBTQ PRIDE attire and PRIDE flags displayed on the pulpit is what I'm seeing. The refutation seems to be that if it's not written down in catechism or wherever else, it's not taking place. But it is taking place nonetheless. Look into it and you'll find what I've found.

o_mlly · Monday at 12:28 PM

Servus said:
... but the person I was talking to insisted on focusing on the Catholic church.

Insisted? You posted a picture of a Catholic priest.

Servus · Monday at 12:49 PM

o_mlly said:
Insisted? You posted a picture of a Catholic priest.

Is this better?

Akita Suggagaki · Monday at 12:51 PM

Servus said:
I also included protestant churches but the person I was talking to insisted on focusing on the Catholic church. As for what I mean, did you read all of my posts or just the one you replied to?

Priests wearing LGBTQ PRIDE attire and PRIDE flags displayed on the pulpit is what I'm seeing. The refutation seems to be that if it's not written down in catechism or wherever else, it's not taking place. But it is taking place nonetheless. Look into it and you'll find what I've found.

I try not to spend much time here so, no . I did not read more posts.

I am not saying odd things sre not being done . I am saying that they are outliers who do not accurately reflect the RCC.

Akita Suggagaki · Monday at 12:54 PM

Servus said:
Is this better?

Well I think she Episcopal Church even ordains open practicing gay men and women.

o_mlly · Monday at 12:56 PM

Servus said:
Is this better?

I defer to my Episcopalian friends for comment.

Yarddog · Monday at 12:57 PM

Servus said:
Nope that is absolutely 100% the full LGBTQQIP2SA+ PRIDE flag.

And? It means gay pride. That doesn't gay sex.
The rainbow is also a symbol of God.it symbolizes happiness, hope, diversity, and good fortune, in Abrahamic religions.

Servus said:
Jesus condemned the priests for exercising human ideology rather than Godly ideals. Zacchaeus was one of the elites.

Jesus condemned the elites of Judaism for many thing including the hypocrisy of placing heavy burdens on the people, that they could not bear, either. The so called Christian Right is full of hypocrisy. Many right leaning churches have condemned them for lacking Christian love.

Hentenza · Monday at 1:05 PM

2PhiloVoid said:
But there should definitively be the expectation for new sinners coming into the church that they will be immediately affirmed with compassion as human beings first, and then encouraged, directed, and supported in reorienting their lives and minds away from the 'form' of this world and instead toward Jesus Christ.

If they have a safe space in which to 'repent,' then they might do so.

I know one thing though: when I first began engaging Christianity and read the New Testament for the first time, it wasn't the Southern Baptist Church I began attending at the invitation of a few friends who 'made it possible' to come to Christ. If anything, I often felt out of place there and it was ever and only Christ and His Words that 'made it possible.' Otherwise, I'd still be a piece of driftwood in the culture. I've had enough to put up with my life already than to add to those pressures loud mouthed, so-called 'tough love' Christians.

Frankly, I don't put up with Christians anywhere in any shape or form who come at me with so-called "tough love." They can pan it. And I'm sorry to have to say it like that. I only respond to encouragement and will 'put up with' sound doctrine given through honest and compassionately tempered exhortation. Anything less will only serve to aggravate me.

In relation to this thread, and for anyone who is interested in giving it a listen, I suggest this not too lengthy video by John Ortberg addressing how some Christians (although obviously not all of us) can be 'mean'............

I agree with you. I think the Bible thumping approach to evangelization actually has the opposite effect and can drive new converts away. All of us are sinners that have the righteousness of Christ because of His redemptive sacrifice. All of us are always in one way or another in need of repentance but we have to do this in our own. As you well know you can’t force knowledge and action on anyone. The knowledge and the actions are either theirs or not.

Servus · Monday at 1:09 PM

Yarddog said:
And? It means gay pride. That doesn't gay sex.
The rainbow is also a symbol of God.it symbolizes happiness, hope, diversity, and good fortune, in Abrahamic religions.

Jesus condemned the elites of Judaism for many thing including the hypocrisy of placing heavy burdens on the people, that they could not bear, either. The so called Christian Right is full of hypocrisy. Many right leaning churches have condemned them for lacking Christian love.

You're just proving what I said about defending, advocating, and enabling sin.

Servus · Monday at 1:11 PM

o_mlly said:
I defer to my Episcopalian friends for comment.

Ah so you want me to focus on the Catholic church too, just like the other person wanted.

Servus · Monday at 1:12 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
Well I think she Episcopal Church even ordains open practicing gay men and women.

Christianity is in crisis along these lines.

Servus · Monday at 1:14 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
I try not to spend much time here so, no . I did not read more posts.

I am not saying odd things sre not being done . I am saying that they are outliers who do not accurately reflect the RCC.

Oh I agree with that. But it seems to be spreading wider at a fast pace, all throughout Christianity.

dlamberth · Monday at 1:26 PM

Servus said:
No I'm not. Empathy in this case is being used to go along with sin and say that it's all okay and that God made them that way. Embrace it, support it, even celebrate it.

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From my perspective, Empathy in this case is seeing how badly the Church has treated those of the Gay community. Throughout history the church's influence on laws has led to criminalization and even capital punishment of those in the Gay community. And it seems to me that has led to attempt a correction of a wrong by the Church.

2PhiloVoid · Monday at 1:59 PM

dlamberth said:
From my perspective, Empathy is this case is seeing how badly the Church has treated those of the Gay community. Throughout history the church's influence on laws has let to criminalization and even capital punishment of those in the Gay community. And it seems to me that has led to attempt a correction of a wrong by the Church.

.... that's probably because the Straight Adulterer's community needs someone to harangue and take their minds off of their own sins. This also has typically been the case, all through history.

Yarddog · Monday at 2:04 PM

Servus said:
You're just proving what I said about defending, advocating, and enabling sin.

Nope, I'm proving that you don't know how to read. Nobody has to go by your narrow definitions of the English language. When you are on the outside looking in, you get a small understanding of what's going on inside. Take the time to understand what's actually going on before casting judgment.

Hentenza · Monday at 2:16 PM

Yarddog said:
Nope, I'm proving that you don't know how to read. Nobody has to go by your narrow definitions of the English language. When you are on the outside looking in, you get a small understanding of what's going on inside. Take the time to understand what's actually going on before casting judgment.

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