Trump posts racist video depicting the Obamas as monkeys

Tuur · 2026-02-08T07:12:10-0600

Bradskii said:
I except all that. But it doesn't change the fact that the last 2 seconds were intentionally added. And it's not credible to think that anyone watching the video would somehow skip the last 2 seconds.

Following on from that, the WH, knowing exactly what had happened tried to suggest it was much ado about nothing. And then conceded it was an outrageous post by deleting it when they became aware of the reaction.

Yet no apology.

Odd: First you've stated "it's not credible" to think that anyone would skip to the last two seconds. Then you imply that the WH knew it was there when it was posted. This presents a problem for your argument. If it's not credible that anyone would skip to the last two seconds, thus missing the portion in question, then it's also not credible to assume that the WH wouldn't have done the exact same thing. OTHO, if the WH knew the two seconds were there when posting the clip, it's no longer credible to assume that "anyone" would not miss the last two seconds of the link I posted.

Like it or not, as what happened in this very forum has shown, it is entirely plausible someone wouldn't watch the video all the way to the last two seconds even after it was pointed out that the portion in question is at the very end. That's not going to sit well with some, but there it is.

Tuur · 2026-02-08T07:22:20-0600

Pommer said:
We’re getting far afield here.

The “problem” with (American) slavery was that it was generational. “People” born to slaves were also slaves. They were not able to be “born-free”. These people were considered as nothing more than other “livestock”; and were treated as such. “Livestock” that could talk, and reason and think for itself needs a very tight rein.

Yes, very far afield, indeed. My only quibble was that it looked like attempting to frame past thought through modern eyes. That happens for all sorts of things, not just slavery, and even for some things as recent as a few decades ago. The mindset, circa 1850 US, wasn't "These people were considered nothing more than 'livestock;' it was there was no fundamental difference between people and livestock. Not "those people;" all people. And yes, that has implications that some may find disturbing, but there it was.

Stopped_lurking · 2026-02-08T07:24:51-0600

Tuur said:
You have to go all the way to the last two seconds, and that is the point. The media account implies that Trump posted a video because it was racist. The actual post is of a conspiracy theory the 2020 election, but the media accounts conveniently didn't mention that, nor that the offending video is two seconds long.

This is a textbook example of spin. Did Trump or a staffer post the video? Yes. Did Trump or a staffer post the video because it is racist? Given it's a two-second bit that the bulk of the posted video ran into, not likely.

The ones posting it would know what was there, so yes likely.

Tuur said:
That's not how it was spun, and how it was spun is how it ended up here. Note that this was the spin in all the media, including those that noted that one video ran into the other. Of the latter, none noted that the offending video was two seconds long.

Note that when you viewed the video, you assumed it wasn't what Trump had posted. The spin turned what actually happened into a different story.

Tuur · 2026-02-08T07:45:19-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
The ones posting it would know what was there, so yes likely.

Oh? That's not what we've just seen here. If that can be missed by some here, why couldn't they miss it just as well?

Akita Suggagaki · 2026-02-08T08:05:47-0600

Tuur said:
Odd: First you've stated "it's not credible" to think that anyone would skip to the last two seconds. Then you imply that the WH knew it was there when it was posted. This presents a problem for your argument. If it's not credible that anyone would skip to the last two seconds, thus missing the portion in question, then it's also not credible to assume that the WH wouldn't have done the exact same thing. OTHO, if the WH knew the two seconds were there when posting the clip, it's no longer credible to assume that "anyone" would not miss the last two seconds of the link I posted.

Like it or not, as what happened in this very forum has shown, it is entirely plausible someone wouldn't watch the video all the way to the last two seconds even after it was pointed out that the portion in question is at the very end. That's not going to sit well with some, but there it is.

Bottom line is the President is ultimately responsible for the post.

Stopped_lurking · 2026-02-08T08:13:47-0600

Tuur said:
Oh? That's not what we've just seen here. If that can be missed by some here, why couldn't they miss it just as well?

They choose to post it, of course they are responsible form start to finish. It is different if you're a consumer or the one posting it.

rjs330 · 2026-02-08T09:27:26-0600

Pommer said:
The “problem” with (American) slavery was that it was generational. “People” born to slaves were also slaves. They were not able to be “born-free”. These people were considered as nothing more than other “livestock”; and were treated as such. “Livestock” that could talk, and reason and think for itself needs a very tight rein.

You aee aware that is what slavery is correct? It is and was NOT uniquely American. The entire world had slavery since the recording of history. People did not recognize the humanity of man as deserving of something special. People could be considered as nothing more than property that could walk and talk. That is why black people enslaved each other. Native Americans enslaved each other, and also had black slaves. In cases where they could they also enslaved white people. White people enslaved each other. White people were enslaved by brown people. It was a thing. There is nothing unique or special about a few Americians owning some slaves when the whole world looked at people as things to be owned, traded and sold.

America does not have a special sin in this regard.

DaisyDay · 2026-02-08T09:53:36-0600

Tuur said:
Odd: First you've stated "it's not credible" to think that anyone would skip to the last two seconds. Then you imply that the WH knew it was there when it was posted. This presents a problem for your argument. If it's not credible that anyone would skip to the last two seconds, thus missing the portion in question, then it's also not credible to assume that the WH wouldn't have done the exact same thing. OTHO, if the WH knew the two seconds were there when posting the clip, it's no longer credible to assume that "anyone" would not miss the last two seconds of the link I posted.

Like it or not, as what happened in this very forum has shown, it is entirely plausible someone wouldn't watch the video all the way to the last two seconds even after it was pointed out that the portion in question is at the very end. That's not going to sit well with some, but there it is.

When it was pointed out, Donald said that it was not a mistake. He left it up after it became well known. And he will not apologize.

Donald Trump was notorious for his late night phone calls and tweets even in his first term which have continued into his second term. He does seem to catch a few winks during meetings and ceremonies.

FreeinChrist · 2026-02-08T14:15:28-0600

RDKirk said:
Do you think I was saying it was okay? Are you picking that argument with me?

No. I did confuse you with someone else.

Pommer · 2026-02-08T14:35:58-0600

rjs330 said:
You aee aware that is what slavery is correct? It is and was NOT uniquely American. The entire world had slavery since the recording of history. People did not recognize the humanity of man as deserving of something special. People could be considered as nothing more than property that could walk and talk. That is why black people enslaved each other. Native Americans enslaved each other, and also had black slaves. In cases where they could they also enslaved white people. White people enslaved each other. White people were enslaved by brown people. It was a thing. There is nothing unique or special about a few Americians owning some slaves when the whole world looked at people as things to be owned, traded and sold.

America does not have a special sin in this regard.

Everybody was doing it?

Did other nations come up with reasoned rationalizations as to why black people were inherently inferior and nature-bound to be subjugated by their white brethren?
Did those views transcend the time when slavery had ended (in those places) forward to 89 years where a 14 year old got lynched because he “disrespected“ a white woman? (Emmet Till)

America’s version of slavery had heft behind it…its legacy endures.

The Barbarian · 2026-02-08T14:37:58-0600

Pommer said:
An underling screwed up?
Yeah, okay, once in a while this happens.

This happened late at night. From the WH. It's Trump's M.O. to blame underlings when something despicable goes down.

Bradskii · 2026-02-08T14:42:07-0600

Tuur said:
Odd: First you've stated "it's not credible" to think that anyone would skip to the last two seconds. Then you imply that the WH knew it was there when it was posted.

It's not credible that someone wouldn't watch the last two seconds. Good grief, if you were posting something on the presidents social media then is it likely that you'd not watch it all? And the WH knew what had been posted as they noted what it contained and then said it was fake outrage!

Tuur said:
Like it or not, as what happened in this very forum has shown, it is entirely plausible someone wouldn't watch the video all the way to the last two seconds even after it was pointed out that the portion in question is at the very end.

Absolute nonsense. If you're given a video and told that the last seconds implies that the president is a racist then what in heaven's name are you going to do?

JSRG · 2026-02-08T15:33:06-0600

Bradskii said:
It's not credible that someone wouldn't watch the last two seconds. Good grief, if you were posting something on the presidents social media then is it likely that you'd not watch it all? And the WH knew what had been posted as they noted what it contained and then said it was fake outrage!

I believe it is absolutely possible someone just saw a bit of it and thought it was good and didn't finish it (even if it would only take one minute), because sometimes people who handle the twitter accounts, even of large companies, don't bother to check into things before they tweet them.

There's a particular example I remember from quite a while ago. In 2014 a trending hashtag of #WhyIStayed and #WhyILeft appeared on Twitter, which was discussing people's reasons for staying with a domestic abuser or leaving them (there's actually an article on this at Wikipedia). A fairly somber topic. As is always the case when things go trending, it's pretty easy to just click on the hashtag and scroll through a few messages to see why it's trending. This shouldn't take more than half a minute to do.

How long does it take to figure out what a hashtag is about? Well, you click on the hashtag and you can see the posts with it. It would have taken a fairly short amount of time--certainly no more than a minute--to determine that the hashtag was about domestic abuse. But whoever was in charge of the DiGiorno's Pizza twitter apparently did not take that small amount of time to check into it and cluelessly tweeted out "#WhyIStayed You had pizza" which caused a bunch of controversy.

So sure, if a company that has a revenue of about a billion dollars per year can goof up like that through not spending just one minute (or even less than that) checking on things, I don't see how it's impossible to happen here.

RDKirk · 2026-02-08T16:37:53-0600

JSRG said:
I believe it is absolutely possible someone just saw a bit of it and thought it was good and didn't finish it (even if it would only take one minute), because sometimes people who handle the twitter accounts, even of large companies, don't bother to check into things before they tweet them.

My daughter, who has been the Internet marketing manager of some quite large companies, would laugh derisively at that statement.

JSRG said:
So sure, if a company that has a revenue of about a billion dollars per year can goof up like that through not spending just one minute (or even less than that) checking on things, I don't see how it's impossible to happen here.

To be honest, if something going out under the president's imprimatur isn't going through more than one person before it hits the Internet, it displays how irresponsibly reckless this presidency is.

JSRG · 2026-02-08T16:48:40-0600

RDKirk said:
My daughter, who has been the Internet marketing manager of some quite large companies, would laugh derisively at that statement.

Then she'd be wrong to do so, because it absolutely happens. Maybe not commonly, but it does. I even gave an example of it happening, which you clipped out in your response.

RDKirk said:
To be honest, if something going out under the president's imprimatur isn't going through more than one person before it hits the Internet, it displays how irresponsibly reckless this presidency is.

Are you saying you don't think the current presidency is irresponsibly reckless?

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