2Timothy 2:10-13

BelieveItOarKnot · Friday at 4:55 AM

fli said:
2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. 12 If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. 13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself. NKJV

Above is Paul writing to Timothy instructing him in doctrine to teach the church. Note verses 1-13 where Paul states a faithful saying the Church is to be taught. Verse 11 “if we died with with Him, we shall also live with Him. Romans 8: 9-10 when we confess Jesus as our Lord and savior we are dead by God's decree. But Paul wrote “If” we died with Him. This makes our death in Jesus conditional. What is it conditional on? Verse 12 (a) if we endure, we shall also reign with Him. Paul wrote “if” we endure we will reign with Him. What do have to endure to reign with Jesus?

There are many places in the new testament where God tells us things that we will endure while in Jesus. In Hebrews 12: 7-8 if we endure chastening of God, He is treating us as sons. In Mark 4: 13-20 the parable of the sower there are 3 soils that receive the word of God.

In verse Matthew 13:20 an Mk4: 6 the stony ground receives the word with gladness, but they only endure for a time. (I was taught as a Baptist that only one soil received Jesus. The Baptist change the word of God to fit their doctrine. That is a very dangerous practice.) The stony soil stumbles after tribulation, persecution or temptations arise. Luke 8: 13 states the stony soil believes for a while, meaning they were saved for a while, but they fall away under temptation. All three agree that the stony soil endures for a time then falls away.

Matthew and Mark state that the thorny soil becomes unfruitful. (John 15:5 without Jesus the branch can do nothing, cannot produce fruit. That means if the soil has produced fruit or is even capable of producing fruit they have to be a branch on Jesus.) Luke states that the thorny ground does not bring any fruit to maturity. All three gospels agree that the thorny soil is capable of producing fruit. In all 3 gospels the stony soil does not endure due to cares of the world.

The thorny and stony soils both had reason to deny Jesus. The stony soil had cause to deny Jesus under persecution, because of being in Christ, they deny Christ in the to end the persecution. If the thorny soil put their hope for worldly pleasures over what Jesus' offers they to have denied Christ. Both types of soil did not endure.

Does this mean that we have to do work to be saved? No! 2Timothy 2:13 if we do not have enough faith to endure Christ will not deny Himself, all we need do is stand and He will take care of us. We will not suffer anything if we keep our mouth shut. Opening the mouth to deny Christ, is work, keeping it shut is not. You have to do work to deny Jesus. Christ knows your if your heart still loves what He offers. He will take you out of the situation if your heart desires Him over Satan. 2Timothy 2:13 if we do not have enough faith to endure, Christ will not deny Himself, all we need do is stand, in Christ, and He will take care of us.

We can choose to do work to bring glory to Jesus. If we choose to do work it is to walk in the Spirit and produce more fruit.

Both Jesus' parable of the soils and 2Timothy 2: 10-13 clearly defines a path for Christians to be saved or to deny Christ and have Him deny them. Christians can lose salvation by Jesus' words in the parable of the sower. That supports Paul's scriptures in 2Timothy 2: 10-13. Let's hear from the word wizards how they magically change God's word to fit their doctrine.

Every Word of God applies to everyone at all times: Matt. 4:4. Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

Therefore there is no such thing as "I" am a good soil but the other guy isn't or "I" used to be stony ground but now I'm not

It all applies, period

fli · Friday at 8:21 AM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Every Word of God applies to everyone at all times: Matt. 4:4. Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

Therefore there is no such thing as "I" am a good soil but the other guy isn't or "I" used to be stony ground but now I'm not

It all applies, period

Thank you for reminding everyone that we all live by every word of God. And God will tell us which of His words apply.

Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. NKJV

Here is a word of God that you seem to have forgotten. God has made a new covenant and has made to old obsolete. People need to get their doctrine from the new covenant and not the old. Jesus is concealed in old covenant and revealed in the new covenant.

Romans 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another — to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. NKJV

Through the body of Christ those who believe in Him are dead to the law. Now the law says if you sin you die. If we have died with Christ we have suffered the consequence of the law with Jesus and cannot die again.

Romans 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith." NKJV

Being dead to the law I cannot gain any righteousness by works of the law. Also if I violate the law I cannot lose any righteousness. My faith in Jesus is my righteousness.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. NKJV

As long as I have faith in Jesus, I have the righteousness of Jesus.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.NKJV

The law in the NT is: because Jesus died for all, everyone should live for Jesus.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. NKJV

God sent out the Holy Spirit to convict the world of their sin. Everyone in the world has been informed of the new righteousness. A righteousness not of the law, but by faith in Jesus.

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. NKJV

Now anyone who believes in Jesus is not condemned. If anyone does not believe in Jesus, they are condemned.

Jeff Saunders · Friday at 12:01 PM

fli said:
2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. 12 If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. 13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself. NKJV

Above is Paul writing to Timothy instructing him in doctrine to teach the church. Note verses 1-13 where Paul states a faithful saying the Church is to be taught. Verse 11 “if we died with with Him, we shall also live with Him. Romans 8: 9-10 when we confess Jesus as our Lord and savior we are dead by God's decree. But Paul wrote “If” we died with Him. This makes our death in Jesus conditional. What is it conditional on? Verse 12 (a) if we endure, we shall also reign with Him. Paul wrote “if” we endure we will reign with Him. What do have to endure to reign with Jesus?

There are many places in the new testament where God tells us things that we will endure while in Jesus. In Hebrews 12: 7-8 if we endure chastening of God, He is treating us as sons. In Mark 4: 13-20 the parable of the sower there are 3 soils that receive the word of God.

In verse Matthew 13:20 an Mk4: 6 the stony ground receives the word with gladness, but they only endure for a time. (I was taught as a Baptist that only one soil received Jesus. The Baptist change the word of God to fit their doctrine. That is a very dangerous practice.) The stony soil stumbles after tribulation, persecution or temptations arise. Luke 8: 13 states the stony soil believes for a while, meaning they were saved for a while, but they fall away under temptation. All three agree that the stony soil endures for a time then falls away.

Matthew and Mark state that the thorny soil becomes unfruitful. (John 15:5 without Jesus the branch can do nothing, cannot produce fruit. That means if the soil has produced fruit or is even capable of producing fruit they have to be a branch on Jesus.) Luke states that the thorny ground does not bring any fruit to maturity. All three gospels agree that the thorny soil is capable of producing fruit. In all 3 gospels the stony soil does not endure due to cares of the world.

The thorny and stony soils both had reason to deny Jesus. The stony soil had cause to deny Jesus under persecution, because of being in Christ, they deny Christ in the to end the persecution. If the thorny soil put their hope for worldly pleasures over what Jesus' offers they to have denied Christ. Both types of soil did not endure.

Does this mean that we have to do work to be saved? No! 2Timothy 2:13 if we do not have enough faith to endure Christ will not deny Himself, all we need do is stand and He will take care of us. We will not suffer anything if we keep our mouth shut. Opening the mouth to deny Christ, is work, keeping it shut is not. You have to do work to deny Jesus. Christ knows your if your heart still loves what He offers. He will take you out of the situation if your heart desires Him over Satan. 2Timothy 2:13 if we do not have enough faith to endure, Christ will not deny Himself, all we need do is stand, in Christ, and He will take care of us.

We can choose to do work to bring glory to Jesus. If we choose to do work it is to walk in the Spirit and produce more fruit.

Both Jesus' parable of the soils and 2Timothy 2: 10-13 clearly defines a path for Christians to be saved or to deny Christ and have Him deny them. Christians can lose salvation by Jesus' words in the parable of the sower. That supports Paul's scriptures in 2Timothy 2: 10-13. Let's hear from the word wizards how they magically change God's word to fit their doctrine.

I see things differently, 2 Tim 2:12&13 they are the key-" If we endure, we shall also reign with him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. If we are faithless, He remains faithful, He can't deny Himself."
The idea is that the offer that we are given is will we reign with Jesus and be sons and daughters of the ruling kingdom or will we be subjects of that kingdom and be ruled over by Jesus and those who reign with him, its our choice.
Our choice is our choice but the Father as vs 13 states can't deny himself, His Scripture says in 1Tim 2:3-6 " This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our savior, who will have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth" 1Tim 4:9-11 " because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe"
Those who endure until the end are the ones that are " especially of those who believe" Those who fall away or never understand are those who will be subjects of the kingdom and be ruled over by those who did endure with Jesus, they don't burn forever in a place called hell.

fli · Friday at 1:10 PM

Jeff Saunders said:
I see things differently, 2 Tim 2:12&13 they are the key-" If we endure, we shall also reign with him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. If we are faithless, He remains faithful, He can't deny Himself."
The idea is that the offer that we are given is will we reign with Jesus and be sons and daughters of the ruling kingdom or will we be subjects of that kingdom and be ruled over by Jesus and those who reign with him, its our choice.
Our choice is our choice but the Father as vs 13 states can't deny himself, His Scripture says in 1Tim 2:3-6 " This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our savior, who will have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth" 1Tim 4:9-11 " because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe"
Those who endure until the end are the ones that are " especially of those who believe" Those who fall away or never understand are those who will be subjects of the kingdom and be ruled over by those who did endure with Jesus, they don't burn forever in a place called hell.

Jesus is the savior of all men because He died for the sins of the world. He did not force Himself on all men, but all men had a chance to be saved. You are correct in that some of those who received His testimony and endure will rule over those on the new earth. Those on the new earth are those who did not receive His testimony, yet they did aid the brethren of Jesus.

Isaiah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the Lord, "So shall your descendants and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the Lord. 24 "And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." NKJV

In verse 24 the people on the new earth will look on the corpses of those who transgressed against God. Corpses indicate a dead body. Not all men will be saved. God wanted it that way but left it up to the person to decide where they go.

Jeff Saunders · Friday at 1:57 PM

fli said:
Jesus is the savior of all men because He died for the sins of the world. He did not force Himself on all men, but all men had a chance to be saved. You are correct in that some of those who received His testimony and endure will rule over those on the new earth. Those on the new earth are those who did not receive His testimony, yet they did aid the brethren of Jesus.

Isaiah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the Lord, "So shall your descendants and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the Lord. 24 "And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." NKJV

In verse 24 the people on the new earth will look on the corpses of those who transgressed against God. Corpses indicate a dead body. Not all men will be saved. God wanted it that way but left it up to the person to decide where they go.

So mans will trumps Gods will? That does not sound like the God of Scripture.
Psalm 86:9 " All nations whom God has made will come and worship before Him"
Is 46:11 " Indeed, I have spoken, indeed I shall bring it to pass! I have formed the plan indeed. I shall do it."
Jer 32:27 " I am Yahweh, God of all flesh, is anything too difficult for me?"
Psalm 115:3 " Our God is in the heavens all that He desires He does"
Psalm 135:6 " All that Yahweh delights He does, In the heavens and on earth, in the seas and every abyss"
Is 14:24 "Just as I have intended so it will be, just as I have planned, it will be done"
Is 14:27 " for Yahweh of hosts, He has counseled and who shall annul it? And it is His hand that is stretched out, and who shall reverse it?"
1John 4:14 "God sent his Son to be the Savior of the world." Did Jesus fail in his mission, it sounds like to me that you think Jesus failed,
These Scriptures seem to say that God will get what he planned and desired and no man can stop Him.

fli · Friday at 2:16 PM

Jeff Saunders said:
So mans will trumps Gods will? That does not sound like the God of Scripture.
Psalm 86:9 " All nations whom God has made will come and worship before Him"
Is 46:11 " Indeed, I have spoken, indeed I shall bring it to pass! I have formed the plan indeed. I shall do it."
Jer 32:27 " I am Yahweh, God of all flesh, is anything too difficult for me?"
Psalm 115:3 " Our God is in the heavens all that He desires He does"
Psalm 135:6 " All that Yahweh delights He does, In the heavens and on earth, in the seas and every abyss"
Is 14:24 "Just as I have intended so it will be, just as I have planned, it will be done"
Is 14:27 " for Yahweh of hosts, He has counseled and who shall annul it? And it is His hand that is stretched out, and who shall reverse it?"
1John 4:14 "God sent his Son to be the Savior of the world." Did Jesus fail in his mission, it sounds like to me that you think Jesus failed,
These Scriptures seem to say that God will get what he planned and desired and no man can stop Him.

At the white throne judgment all nations will bend their knee and confess that Jesus is Lord. Before or after the judgment we do not know. So do you believe that Isaiah lied. Isaiah is a prophet and spoke what God told him to write. Do you he had it wrong and you got it right or my interpretation is wrong?

Jeff Saunders · Friday at 2:32 PM

fli said:
At the white throne judgment all nations will bend their knee and confess that Jesus is Lord. Before or after the judgment we do not know. So do you believe that Isaiah lied. Isaiah is a prophet and spoke what God told him to write. Do you he had it wrong and you got it right or my interpretation is wrong?

No Isaiah is correct. Phil 2:10-11 " every knee should bow of those in heaven,and those on earth, and those under the earth, and every tongue will gladly confess that Jesus is Lord" the Greek word for confess is Exomologeo its definition is to acknowledge, openly and joyfully, to celebrate, to give praise without reservations.
I do not believe that a righteous God would except false confessions and he wouldn't that is why Phil 2 says what it says , all will confess that Jesus is Lord the very thing all must do to be saved, I did and I would bet so have you, these confessions are true and real, That is why Paul can say in 1 Tim 4:9-11 " because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe"
Why do you believe that when Scripture says in 1 John 4:14 " God sent his Son to be the Savior of the world" that Jesus failed in his mission?

Jeff Saunders · 2026-02-08T07:57:35-0600

fli said:
Jesus is the savior of all men because He died for the sins of the world. He did not force Himself on all men, but all men had a chance to be saved. You are correct in that some of those who received His testimony and endure will rule over those on the new earth. Those on the new earth are those who did not receive His testimony, yet they did aid the brethren of Jesus.

Isaiah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the Lord, "So shall your descendants and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the Lord. 24 "And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." NKJV

In verse 24 the people on the new earth will look on the corpses of those who transgressed against God. Corpses indicate a dead body. Not all men will be saved. God wanted it that way but left it up to the person to decide where they go.

Jeff Saunders · 2026-02-08T08:26:10-0600

Back in the 70s I took a lifeguard course and we were taught how to save someone who did not want our help, sometimes when people are not thinking correctly they will fight the very person that was trying to save them. We were trained to save them even if it was a risk to ourselves, if a man who is mortal and living out of a fallen world, will violate some ones will just to save their mortal body, would not the creator of all want to save all men, that's the true you not your mortal body,
Is man better than the God who made us? If our salvation was up to us, then we are our own savior, we just knew what hoops to jump through and others didn't or wouldn't and we are our own savior. 2 Tim 1:9&10 "Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR OBSERVANCES, but according his purpose and grace, which is given to us in the Anointed One Jesus from before the times of the ages,"
1John 4:14 " And we have seen and attest that the Father has sent the Son as savior of the cosmos" If all are not saved then Jesus fails in the mission that the Father sent him for, If you worship a Jesus who can or did fail then you need a better Jesus, like the one John the baptist knew and said " look the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, now that's a Jesus we should worship, the savior of the cosmos

BelieveItOarKnot · 2026-02-08T09:20:45-0600

fli said:
Thank you for reminding everyone that we all live by every word of God. And God will tell us which of His words apply.

The question is more of what Words of God are your positions tossing aside?

fli said:
Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. NKJV

So, your opener is to use the above to toss aside every Word of God of the Old Testament?

Jesus certainly didn't do that nor did He advise us to do so, Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

Paul didn't advise that approach either, upholding/establishing the law:

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The short lesson here is that the LAW, capital L ALL of them, are against the evil lawless thoughts within us ALL, no exceptions. And quite firmly so, thank God.

fli said:
Here is a word of God that you seem to have forgotten. God has made a new covenant and has made to old obsolete. People need to get their doctrine from the new covenant and not the old. Jesus is concealed in old covenant and revealed in the new covenant.

And you have merely overlooked the facts of evil coming from within AND the workings of the tempter within everyone. You may consider that the LAW is against the devil and his messengers, and again, THANK GOD for that!

fli said:
Romans 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another — to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. NKJV

Through the body of Christ those who believe in Him are dead to the law. Now the law says if you sin you die. If we have died with Christ we have suffered the consequence of the law with Jesus and cannot die again.

Romans 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith." NKJV

Being dead to the law I cannot gain any righteousness by works of the law. Also if I violate the law I cannot lose any righteousness. My faith in Jesus is my righteousness.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. NKJV

As long as I have faith in Jesus, I have the righteousness of Jesus.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.NKJV

The law in the NT is: because Jesus died for all, everyone should live for Jesus.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. NKJV

God sent out the Holy Spirit to convict the world of their sin. Everyone in the world has been informed of the new righteousness. A righteousness not of the law, but by faith in Jesus.

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. NKJV

Now anyone who believes in Jesus is not condemned. If anyone does not believe in Jesus, they are condemned.

Rinse and repeat the above advice.

God in Christ remains firmly against every sin and every evil and every lawless thought that is within everyone, period, no exceptions.

I can appreciate people trying to wiggle their way past that fact but it won't work for anyone. And again, Thank God for that!

Jan001 · 2026-02-08T11:00:39-0600

fli said:
Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of your love for all the saints; 5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, 6 which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth; 7 as you also learned from Epaphras, our dear fellow servant, who is a faithful minister of Christ on your behalf, 8 who also declared to us your love in the Spirit. NKJV

If we believe the gospel and we want to go to heaven it will give us hope. From that hope Jesus gives us our saving faith, love for the saints and other gifts. Our hope proves that we believe in Him.

You have to do the gospel to be approved to enter heaven after uou die,

James 1:22
Be doers of the word and not hearers only, deluding yourselves.

Faith plus good works is what approves a person worthy of eternal life.

fli said:
Galatians 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. NKJV

I posted John 3:18 in my post that you replied to we are judged only on our faith in Jesus

Romans 4:5 (a) But to him who does not work(b) but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: 7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin." NKJV

Verse 5a " to him who does not work" does not refer to unemployed people. In Jesus we rest from working to get into heaven. Why do we rest from working to get into heaven? Because our righteousness comes from Jesus. Verse 5b ""but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly." Why do we need to believe that God justifies the ungodly? Because then we know that our works have nothing to do with our salvation.

Verse 6 God imputes righteousness to us apart from works. Good works do not change our righteousness. Bad works do not change our righteousness.
Verse 7 Our sins are forgiven and they are no more.

Verse 8 God has imputed death to everyone in Jesus. (Romans 8: 10) A dead person is not under the law as dead people have already paid for their sins.

Jesus saves us and forgives all of our sins on our souls if we repent of our sins and receive the baptism he commanded in Matthew 28:18-20.
If we do not believe in Jesus Christ, we will not be baptized as he commanded, and our sins will not be forgiven, and so we will be condemned. Mark 16:16

We cannot do any works, first covenant works of the Law of Moses or new covenant works of the Law of Christ, to earn this free gift. No human works could ever atone for Adam's sin. That is why God sent his own son to die and thereby atone for Adam's sin. Jesus Christ, who is both God and man, is the only person who could mediate/atone for the loss of eternal life that Adam's sin caused to himself, Eve, and all their descendants.
Romans 5:12-14

However, after Jesus saves us by receiving the baptism he commanded, we must do the good works that his Father has prepared for us to do in order to be approved to be worthy to enter into eternal life after we die. Ephesians 2:10, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:31-46

Jan001 · 2026-02-08T11:28:20-0600

Matt5 said:
I agree with this whole works thing, but what is acceptable?

Take a look at the Christians in verse 22. They run circles around me.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
Matthew 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

What is their crime?

Might be nice to know.

They led double lives. They publicly acted as Christians should, but privately, they did not. They did not repent of their hidden sins before they died. Ezekiel 33:12-20

Romans 11:22
See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

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