TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

The Barbarian said:

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"It seemed like a good idea at the time..."

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Our brave leader deflecting a deadly extinction-level meteor with his mighty golden hair of justice.

The Barbarian said:

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"It seemed like a good idea at the time..."

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isn't that pretty much what sums up his second term? It seemed like a good idea at the time, that then goes horribly?

essentialsaltes said:

SUPREME COURT RULES CALIFORNIA'S NEW MAPS CAN GO INTO EFFECT. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS, WITH TEARS IN HIS EYES, DECLARES THEM SUPREMELY BEAUTIFUL

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'The Supreme Court on Wednesday did not explain its decision in a single-sentence order. There were no noted dissents.'

essentialsaltes said:

When We The People talks, SCOTUS listens.

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SCOTUS endorsed the crooked process of rigging districts to favor one party. The door swings both ways, and republicans are SCANDALIZED that the democrats would stoop to doing what the republicans do.

The Barbarian said:

SCOTUS endorsed the crooked process of rigging districts to favor one party. The door swings both ways, and republicans are SCANDALIZED that the democrats would stoop to doing what the republicans do.

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And the democrats bothered to run it by the voters, where the republicans never do.

Paulos23 said:

And the democrats bothered to run it by the voters, where the republicans never do.

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It's a matter of trust.

Paulos23 said:

And the democrats bothered to run it by the voters, where the republicans never do.

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Even when the voters themselves (the people as I heard they are called) pass initiatives, they still try to ignore or override the initiatives.

The Increasing Trend of Lawmakers Overriding Ballot Initiatives​

Say it aint so said:

Even when the voters themselves (the people as I heard they are called) pass initiatives, they still try to ignore or override the initiatives.

The Increasing Trend of Lawmakers Overriding Ballot Initiatives​

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Utah is currently a perfect example. In 2018, a ballot initiative was passed, that required an independent commission to draw up a handful of redistricting maps, after the census was completed, and that the legislature would pick one of them as the new congressional districts. In 2021, the commission submitted the maps to the Utah legislature and they promptly rejected all of them, deciding they didn't need to obey the will of the people, and drew up a new gerrymandered map. The new map, passed by the legislature, was challenged in court and the court found the legislature had acted illegally, since they didn't follow the law.

Now, the Utah legislature is trying to put their own initiative on the ballot (after their ways of trying to change the law without letting the people vote on it failed), and are trying to get the signatures that would qualify it for the ballot. To do it, they are framing the current law as somehow anti-democratic, that it has the courts decide the maps (since a court ruled the legislature broke the law) -- despite the fact that the people voted on it and made clear that is what they wanted, it was the legislature acting in an undemocratic manner. Additionally, despite Republican complaints about out of state money and workers when they have talked of other ballot initiatives, the Republicans are getting large amounts of money from out of state, and bringing out of state workers in to collect the ballot signatures. It is worth noting the signature gathering is not going well, it currently appears that they will not get enough signatures to put it on the ballot, despite apparent fraud in the collection of the ballots. It would seem hard to find something more anti-democracy than trying to prevent fair election maps that the people have voted that they want.

Paulos23 said:

And the democrats bothered to run it by the voters, where the republicans never do.

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The Democrats in California "bothered" to run it by the voters because they were legally required to (as it was necessary to run it by the voters as the voters were the ones who set up the independent commission to begin with that was going to be disassembled in order to bring in gerrymandered maps). If the California Democrats weren't required to take that step, they probably would've just put it through like a normal law just like the Republicans in Texas did.

JSRG said:

The Democrats in California "bothered" to run it by the voters because they were legally required to (as it was necessary to run it by the voters as the voters were the ones who set up the independent commission to begin with that was going to be disassembled in order to bring in gerrymandered maps). If the California Democrats weren't required to take that step, they probably would've just put it through like a normal law just like the Republicans in Texas did.

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There is nothing normal given what Texas did at the behest of a president.

Say it aint so said:

There is nothing normal given what Texas did at the behest of a president.

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It was normal in that they just passed it via legislature and had the governor sign it--the normal way to pass a law. California was legally required to take a separate step; putting it to referendum was far more likely something they did because they were legally required to do so than for any idea of moral duty to put it in front of the people.