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Would a Christian man be okay with this arrangement?

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A very odd situation here, but can in your right mind as a Christian man be okay with dating a Christian woman who dates with NO marriage in mind?

@bèlla and others...Figured I'd bounce this off of you since the lady I've recently corresponded with kind of reminds me of you :) We actually had been friends on FB for a time, but not really talked.

Then I had recently seen her join a singles group in my area. And i honestly didn't ask her about her faith/religion until later in the chat, but we'll get back to that.

I sent her DM pointing this out and we get to chatting, and she said something that probably would not make us a match. That she is looking for a man who can also travel for work like herself. Basically, living out of hotels. I asked her that's probably rare, and she said she had no problem meeting men that do the same, but they weren't a match in other ways.

She told me she's an account executive, so an obvious career woman. I asked her if she's open to marriage, and I got a big "No" from her....as she considers it a "construct" that she no longer believes in.
So I'd just figured that she'll just prefer to live in sin/co-habitat indefinitely.

I'm like, "Okay, so I take it you're not Christian?" She goes, "Oh, indeed I am, I was actually married to a pastor for 18 years". My jaw hit the ground. Talk about a walking contradiction. I thought she walked away from the faith based on a bad marital experience.

She goes on about how she grew weary of being not only the career woman, but also coming home to cook, clean, and do wifely things, while he just...worked and came home. (Didn't contribute to his role outside of just working)

I figured she drank the Kool-Aid of being an empowered, independent "girl boss"

I told her she wouldn't have to worry about that with me, as I've been cooking and cleaning for myself for years, and she goes, "but...that's until you get married and then you'll expect your wife to do all the work"

So apparently that was this all about.

I told her, "Sorry, but there's no Christian man that would be on board with dating, with no intent to marry" Dating without intent, and I questioned her Christian faith based on his major attitude that she needs to turn away from as she would be just wasting his time.

@bèlla Thoughts on this?
 

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she considers it a "construct" that she no longer believes in.
She's probably right. Not with certainty but probable.

I'm like, "Okay, so I take it you're not Christian?" She goes, "Oh, indeed I am, I was actually married to a pastor for 18 years". My jaw hit the ground. Talk about a walking contradiction. I thought she walked away from the faith based on a bad marital experience.
As a "Christian-seeker" myself, I could not settle, until I'm absolutely sure Christianity IS what it says it is. But the deeper I dive into Christianity, the more unsettled I become about it. Closure isn't nearer but way farther than when I started.

Many say "don't look too deep into Godly matters". But how will you know if it's really God or the devil if you left things to "faith" and didn't bother to look? No amount of faith can turn the devil into God.

I love the Lord so much, it became much JOY (not work) to seek ALL things about Him. But I end up finding something else. Indeed, many things are just constructs of the mind.
 
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I hope you're well and 2026 has amazing things in store! :)

My best friend was married to someone like that. She did everything and when he came home he got on his phone and did little else. Their divorce was finalized last year and he lives alone and his mother does his housekeeping, laundry, makes his meals and cleans out the car. If she didn't it would go undone. When the children visit she comes over and cooks and he's in his mid-forties.

Rest assured men like that exist and there are female counterparts. The best way to avoid them is three-fold.

*Observe their appearance. You're not looking for perfection but attentiveness. Do they have a relationship with their iron or look like they rolled out of bed? Did they comb their hair or is it bedhead.

*Look at their car. Is it clean and does it smell well or is it cluttered with stuff everywhere or remnants of food?

*Pay attention to their home. Is it tidy? There's between real tidiness and items shoved into and under beds. Be mindful if you never get an invite, don't see their environment in photos or they're using filters to hide their backgrounds in images or on places like Zoom.

*Don't discriminate against the depressed but bear in mind that's the first place that's usually neglected along with hygiene.

What you see is a snapshot of your reality with that person. Messy people rarely change. The only way to resolve is to hire Merry Maids or become them yourself. If neither appeals let them go. It's a recipe for untold stress and high blood pressure.

I'm not surprised she isn't interested in marriage given their tenure and I've yet to meet a pastor's wife who didn't have other duties. He gave the best of himself to the church like many in the role. I wouldn't consider her a girl boss. She was in a relationship with conflicting ideas on responsibility. What she described is very common for stay at home wives and women who work.

But since you mentioned the term I'll share what I said to someone earlier on the subject of companionship. I don't use the term myself but I would fall in that group.

the primary reason my life is easy isn't because of my circumstances. it's because i'm single. i have no demand on my time or expectations of performance. if i don't want to cook i don't. i don't clean for anyone, do their laundry or shop for them either. nor do i run errands. i created systems that freed me from those things.

The first line says it all and that's what women are looking for now. They're not falling for 50/50 because it rarely happens. But unlike your friend, I didn't take marriage off the table and I'm not ambiguous about what's possible or not.

i'm a lady of leisure in the truest sense. when i mentioned a social calendar it was a sign not a goal as was proverbs 31. that's why i was hesitant. you seem to enjoy the scullery stuff and i'm not cinderella.

The person I'm conversing with isn't a stranger and we're well acquainted. I'm not mincing words or dancing around my wants or needs. I'm direct. It's not about likes or chances. It's whether we have what it takes to build a life together or not. And there's nothing wrong with the things he likes. But if he needs it I'm not the right person nor am I willing to become her to be partnered.

Your friend is protecting her heart and trying to avoid disappointment. It's a passive resolution that isn't affirming. If she doesn't want domestic responsibilities all she has to do is say it and ask if outsourcing is an option. The only thing he can say in response is yes or no it isn't personal.

And oftentimes men look after themselves when they're single and stop when they're married and believe it's her job. Finding a person who enjoys your pet peeves is wise. Loves to cook, neat freak, etc. You won't have to twist their arm.

The solution is telling the truth to yourself and the other. You can't be hung up on having a partner that you close your eyes. That's how resentment starts. There's no one size fits all for relationships. Everyone wants something different. There's areas of compromise and others that require commonsense. If you're going to be angry, bitter or arguing frequently that isn't a place you should bend.

I wouldn't say no christian man would agree either. There's a lot of men who are afraid to marry because of the financial fallout. They have long-term girlfriends instead with benefits.

~bella
 
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I hope you're well and 2026 has amazing things in store! :)

My best friend was married to someone like that. She did everything and when he came home he got on his phone and did little else. Their divorce was finalized last year and he lives alone and his mother does his housekeeping, laundry, makes his meals and cleans out the car. If she didn't it would go undone. When the children visit she comes over and cooks and he's in his mid-forties.

Rest assured men like that exist and there are female counterparts. The best way to avoid them is three-fold.

*Observe their appearance. You're not looking for perfection but attentiveness. Do they have a relationship with their iron or look like they rolled out of bed? Did they comb their hair or is it bedhead.

*Look at their car. Is it clean and does it smell well or is it cluttered with stuff everywhere or remnants of food?

*Pay attention to their home. Is it tidy? There's between real tidiness and items shoved into and under beds. Be mindful if you never get an invite, don't see their environment in photos or they're using filters to hide their backgrounds in images or on places like Zoom.

*Don't discriminate against the depressed but bear in mind that's the first place that's usually neglected along with hygiene.

What you see is a snapshot of your reality with that person. Messy people rarely change. The only way to resolve is to hire Merry Maids or become them yourself. If neither appeals let them go. It's a recipe for untold stress and high blood pressure.

I'm not surprised she isn't interested in marriage given their tenure and I've yet to meet a pastor's wife who didn't have other duties. He gave the best of himself to the church like many in the role. I wouldn't consider her a girl boss. She was in a relationship with conflicting ideas on responsibility. What she described is very common for stay at home wives and women who work.

But since you mentioned the term I'll share what I said to someone earlier on the subject of companionship. I don't use the term myself but I would fall in that group.

the primary reason my life is easy isn't because of my circumstances. it's because i'm single. i have no demand on my time or expectations of performance. if i don't want to cook i don't. i don't clean for anyone, do their laundry or shop for them either. nor do i run errands. i created systems that freed me from those things.

The first line says it all and that's what women are looking for now. They're not falling for 50/50 because it rarely happens. But unlike your friend, I didn't take marriage off the table and I'm not ambiguous about what's possible or not.

i'm a lady of leisure in the truest sense. when i mentioned a social calendar it was a sign not a goal as was proverbs 31. that's why i was hesitant. you seem to enjoy the scullery stuff and i'm not cinderella.

The person I'm conversing with isn't a stranger and we're well acquainted. I'm not mincing words or dancing around my wants or needs. I'm direct. It's not about likes or chances. It's whether we have what it takes to build a life together or not. And there's nothing wrong with the things he likes. But if he needs it I'm not the right person nor am I willing to become her to be partnered.

Your friend is protecting her heart and trying to avoid disappointment. It's a passive resolution that isn't affirming. If she doesn't want domestic responsibilities all she has to do is say it and ask if outsourcing is an option. The only thing he can say in response is yes or no it isn't personal.

And oftentimes men look after themselves when they're single and stop when they're married and believe it's her job. Finding a person who enjoys your pet peeves is wise. Loves to cook, neat freak, etc. You won't have to twist their arm.

The solution is telling the truth to yourself and the other. You can't be hung up on having a partner that you close your eyes. That's how resentment starts. There's no one size fits all for relationships. Everyone wants something different. There's areas of compromise and others that require commonsense. If you're going to be angry, bitter or arguing frequently that isn't a place you should bend.

I wouldn't say no christian man would agree either. There's a lot of men who are afraid to marry because of the financial fallout. They have long-term girlfriends instead with benefits.

~bella

I appreciate your response...I just like to have a balanced response in message boards, as some tend to go off or get triggered. Thank you.

I am reminded of an old friend's sister, who wound up being successful regardless of getting pregnant in high school. She got a job with VERY big name, household companies, doing very well.

But, after a shot-gun wedding, and 10 years later divorced. She finds marriage archaic and dated. Her older sister, very sweet woman is married and Christian. She proselytizing, but not judgey, very kind. She's retired CIA and is now writing books and going on talks and even on TV. They love her of course, because she still family, so no one's ostracizing her as some families do.

Her younger sister (the one got pregnant), I don't know of her faith, but in these 2 articles she wrote she doesn't talk about marriage in the context of religion/Christianity. But I am kind of familiar with their background as I grew up with her sister,and she came from a pretty Christian family.

Why Getting Pregnant as a Teenager Was the Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me

The teenage-pregnancy made her backwater, small town families who made "She's pregnant, she's ruined her life, and now she's stuck here being a teen mom, working a waitress job, etc etc", typical for the neck of the woods in which she lived. But she had the help from the women in her family that watched over her child while she went to college.

But getting pregnant in highschool with the BEST thing that happened her because she was able to prove them wrong.

I was a pregnant teenager, yes, but I was still struck by the perverse joy this mother clearly took in seeing what she perceived as the social demise of a popular, straight-A, Christian student who was a cheerleader.

There was supporting outcomes of goals she didn't achieved in high school, (SGA vice-president, homecoming queen/court) that she only ruined her HIGH SCHOOL life.


Why I’m Not Marriage Material

2 interesting articles there. So she could be living a more wordly, secular life. Who knows if she's co-habitating with a boyfriend or not, (living in sin).

But yeah it's the same story, both secular and Christian. The woman leaves and the guy is scratching his head, wondering why he comes home with her bags packed. He took her for granted, to put it simply.

And with this woman I'm speaking about, would she not be wasting another Christian gentleman's time if she's not wanting marriage? I am noticing this with older single, Christian women. Obviously, she'd be more appealing to a non-Christian men as they are like "Why by the cow when they can get the milk for free"

But if she's to remain celibate, they'd be out of the question, but what of Christian men...as the end-game for them is marriage (to her).

However, she could say this now, but not actaally mean it and it be a defense mechanism.

I see a lot of contradictory attitudes from some of the Christian single women I"m meeting past a certain age. It's like they prefer to live in sin, without marriage or not be married at all or even have a BOYFRIEND at all.

But never say never?
 
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I see a lot of contradictory attitudes from some of the Christian single women I"m meeting past a certain age. It's like they prefer to live in sin, without marriage or not be married at all or even have a BOYFRIEND at all.

That's coming from experience and many Christian women are not entirely wrong about it.

And Christianity is a "happiness-centered" religion in modern times. Not a truth-centered religion.

"If it doesn't make you happy, it's got to be wrong".

Ironically, the Bible also taught if you wish to remain free from marriage duties, then don't get married. Stay single. I think there are verses in the Old Testaments that speaks from the same perspective of being single is better especially for women.

Marriage does not consist of exchanging vows and wearing rings in the Bible. Those are actually pagan traditions.

Biblically, sex=marriage like in some African tribal traditions.

"Cohabting" is not sin (technically, you're already married to that person by default) as long as you're doing it with just one person your entire life with exception of death.

Apostle Paul's marriage setup has a heavy context of period-specific culture. Very likely not applicable today.

I hope you look deeper on the matter so you avoid wrongfully judging others and otherwise missing opportunities. At least you seem aware what Christian women despise in a marriage and they're not entirely wrong about it.

It's not just the chores but also in decision-making.

What would Jesus do? Jesus actually treated His female disciples similarly as His male disciples. While the men talked more, they are not of higher authority over women unless they are leader of a group (but then they also had equal authority over male members as the female members).

Personally, I think the fundamental sin of most modern Christians is having no purpose or deliberately choosing to live in that state. It's not skipping weddings and cohabiting (it's not even a sin as long as they keep to the same partner)
 
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No. Sounds like she's looking for a friends with benefits arrangement. If someone wants that, fine, but she's not a real christian.

She told me she's an account executive, so an obvious career woman. I asked her if she's open to marriage, and I got a big "No" from her....as she considers it a "construct" that she no longer believes in.
What does it mean to believe in marriage? What is a "construct"?
I mean, it looks like that person has jumped into a postmodern pool to avoid a life of responsibilities.
 
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What is a "construct"?

What everybody believes in. But usually not based upon a real need nor based on facts nor truth.

A made-up need or reality like many things in a free market economy society in order to sustain high level of spending. And like many things in free market society including religion, is a money-making business venture.
 
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What everybody believes in. But usually not based upon a real need nor based on facts nor truth.

A made-up need or reality like many things in a free market economy society in order to sustain high level of spending. And like many things in free market society including religion, is a money-making business venture.
I know the postmodern drivel, and I very much disagree with it. A good criticism I believe, can be found in Ian Hacking's "A Social Construction of What?".

In my opinion, is not a very Christian position to hand-pick whatever parts of christianism we find suitable, and discard the others. In Kierkegaard's magnum opus "Either/Or", it is the ultimate sin: the wish to live a life of pleasure (in Kierkegaard's terms, the aesthetical life) while at the same time wishing to pat ourselves on the back as being moral persons (to live a moral life).

I would not condemn or try to convince a person who isn't a christian. As far as I'm concerned, they can do whatever they want to. I wouldn't be particularly concerned. I would, like in this case, be somewhat repelled by a person who holds themselves to be a christian while at the same time not willing to live by christian principles. I think it speaks of some kind of arrogance and obnoxious personality–that's how I feel, but I know it may be too much.
 
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I appreciate your response...I just like to have a balanced response in message boards, as some tend to go off or get triggered. Thank you.

No worries. These are interesting times and you're going to encounter a lot of surprises. Throwing the shackles off isn't always pretty. Sometimes it's neat and tidy and others are unreleased roars of frustration best exemplified by done and nothing more. That applies across the board. Men and women are saying enough with growing frequency. Navigating relational waters in the midst of mini explosions is challenging.

Don't blame yourself if it feels like the twilight zone or you wonder if the world's gone mad. Everything is topsy turvy and we'll have to weather the rabbit hole until we reach its end. Stay true to yourself and your principles and you'll be fine.

I am reminded of an old friend's sister, who wound up being successful regardless of getting pregnant in high school. She got a job with VERY big name, household companies, doing very well.

The article is a great example of grit and reading it brought to mind similar feelings within myself. I wasn't a teen mother but experienced similar doubts from loved ones and what now's as well. But unlike the women in my family or others who might have faced comparable situations. There was never a moment when the answer was marriage nor was companionship the golden ticket to redemption.

In respect to her comments, she's obviously content and settled. She isn't looking to someone else for completion or definition. Nor is her identity woven into companionship. She's wholly herself and a man adds value to her life but he isn't her orbit or reason for being.

I don't know if she's called to singleness but considered her perspective in light of the whole. She's successful and well paid and doesn't require assistance to meet her needs or acquire the things that usually need a pair like a home. She's in a demographic that rewards autonomy and allows her to take advantage of freedoms others lack.

There's an element of the same in the snippets I shared although I phrased it differently. Every word I said was intentional and expressed the realities of my liberty and commitment to its furtherance. I have no interest in living as others do nor will I burn the candles at both ends. My days have a definitive start and end and a cadence that's pleasing with margin throughout. Home is part of that. Not a separate entity unto itself which isn't the norm for most.

But, after a shot-gun wedding, and 10 years later divorced. She finds marriage archaic and dated.

It's not about the institution but the people within the pairing. Whether it was well planned or undertaken swiftly. You won't have a vibrant marriage without a collective effort from both. When character and respect is lacking it's drudgery all around. That's what fuels the why not love. You do the right thing because you're supposed to. When you stop investing in the other you'll usually find a loss respect or damage to some degree.


The link didn't come through properly and I fixed it in my response. You may want to edit the post and do the same.


I would never say I'm not marriage material based on my experiences or emotions as a believer. I think it's fine to acknowledge the impact they've had and the need for time to heal and regain our footing. We can't grow in holiness without friction and must be willing to confront our resistance and challenge it when appropriate.

But yeah it's the same story, both secular and Christian. The woman leaves and the guy is scratching his head, wondering why he comes home with her bags packed. He took her for granted, to put it simply.

Marriage is an invitation for togetherness and shared experiences. Not an exercise for one party doing everything for the sake of partnering whole the other enjoys the spoils.

Most men are looking for a woman to make their lives easier. Don't be deceived by their statements. They want the domestic benefits of a mother coupled with intimacy and financial contribution. That's the way the majority live and why they're failing. She's the physician in the relationship and always on call and rarely gets a break.

That's why you're encountering the heave and growing resistance to start again. They've been there and done that. And despite your protestations and reassurance of difference that isn't the norm. It's less about disbelief than the frequency of the problem.

It's one thing to be a domestic goddess when you're not employed and have the scope of your day to attend to tasks and children too. It's another matter to expect the same while requiring employment and placing the whole of home and children on her shoulders.

We don't have the systems in place they had in the past when loved ones provided extras hands to aid the couple. My mother didn't have her children during summer vacation. My brother went to camp and my sister and I were with my grandparents. She had a three month break every year. In addition to weekends to herself once or twice a month when I spent time with my aunt.

She never missed time from work when we were sick because she had a babysitter too. Three older christian women who kept children in their home and lived in walking distance from my school. And my sister and I attended schools with a relative on site as well. To say she had it easy is an understatement. She came from a family where everyone helped and picked up the slack when required.

And with this woman I'm speaking about, would she not be wasting another Christian gentleman's time if she's not wanting marriage?

How can someone waste your time without your agreement? We're all adults. If marriage is the goal you're supposed to ask their intentions. Not function under assumptions.

I see a lot of contradictory attitudes from some of the Christian single women I"m meeting past a certain age. It's like they prefer to live in sin, without marriage or not be married at all or even have a BOYFRIEND at all.

But never say never?

The bolded portion is the crux of your problem. You're engaging with women in a different season of life where they're less encumbered or relying on another for support and sustenance. It's difficult to face but face it you must for your peace of mind. The qualities a woman seeks in a man in her twenties differs from what she wants when older. She's seasoned and grown beyond the ways of doing and thinking we have when we're younger.

When you've lived a little you understand what partnership entails. You're not deceived by cinematic ideals or lofty words whispered in your ear. You know it's work and that doesn't make it less appealing as a concept. But you're aware that it takes two and one can bear the weight for both for a time but not as a constant without repercussions.

This isn't her spring and you can't expect her to have the same longings one would have in the beginning. Therein lies the wisdom of Solomon's words. There's a time and season for all things under heaven. Mating has its calendar and opportunities are more plentiful in that period than otherwise. Most notably because of childbearing and the necessity of pooling resources to get ahead.

But most of the women you're meeting have been in the workforce for a while and have more security. You're not finding yourself when you're 40 and above nor do you have all the answers. But you know more than you did at 20 and had your share of adversity. The things you wouldn't do or say when younger are less frightening then. We can't change anyone and that's the greatest lesson we learn as we mature.

You want them to be eager to partner but you're viewing the subject through different lenses and neglecting an important truth while doing so. Your why's aren't identical. The reasons you want a wife don't mirror the same when the woman considers it. And your why determines what you will or won't accept.

Oftentimes a man is desirous of togetherness because he doesn't bond emotionally in that manner with his sex. But you're forgetting that women do and even when she's dating he doesn't meet that need entirely and most obtain it from friends and loved ones. That's why it's dangerous for a woman to seek a companion when she's friendless or allow herself to become that way in the relationship.

Men don't require the same level of connectedness in the respect that women do. He doesn't need to talk things out and discuss his feelings frequently. When you attempt to do the same you'll wear him out. While he can be your bff it's never in the feminine. You can only get that from a woman and that's where the inequity lies.

His need goes unmet and you'll only share so much with a man and the majority know their limit. But it isn't the same for her. She's embraced and allowed to share her concerns without reproach. While he's keeping the same within himself she has an avenue for release.

When men went their own way I knew it would backfire. Not because it's hard to understand why someone would need a break after marital challenges and financial compromise. But the majority never considered what happens if she follows suit and that's the problem with your sex. You expect things to remain the same and complain when they don't.

This is what happens when you don't understand that you're dealing with a womb-man. She was fashioned to reproduce. If you place a seed in some soil and take care of it the point will be evident and you'll never forget it. When you put it in the ground it doesn't look the same coming out. Something new emerges.

In the same vain, the woman brings things to life. And much like a union between the two can produce a child she can birth other things as well including ideas. When they introduced the concept of separation they didn't consider the possibility of replication or something worse. That's why 45% of women ages 25-44 are expected to be single or childfree by 2030. What began with married men has magnified because she's a womb. And when you put them together new things come forth.

That may seem unrelated to your plight but its a factor that's influencing other movements and behaviors. Decentering men is the woman's answer to the other. And unlike its predecessor they're not restricting it to marriage. You can be single and do the same and much like women do in other areas they're working together and supporting one another.

You'll be hard pressed to convince someone to become a domestic surrogate when she sees others opting for support in the form of housekeeping, laundry service and grocery pickup or delivery. They're delegating what others are doing themselves and making their lives easier.

From where they stand, there's no incentive for involvement because the workload falls in her lap with little relief. Some may abstain entirely and others may opt for pairings without legal entanglements that compromise their autonomy. While it may be uncomfortable to admit, there's a lot of single mothers in marriage doing it all.

I predict this will be the next iteration of have and have nots that produces a schism between tradition and liberty. There will be a growing cry for them to "come back home" that they'll rebuff. When I saw the article in Vogue magazine I knew you were in trouble.

Like EmRata, I’m Also Decentering Men This Year – And I’ve Never Felt More Fulfilled
Regarding Vogue's article on 'The Embarrassment of Having a Boyfriend'

Vogue is the mouthpiece for the establishment and rest assured if they're championing a cause it came from them. Which means media, advertising and content celebrating the same that targets women. This is a many headed animal and there's a correlation to the above with the availability of weight loss drugs like ozempic and growing acceptance of plastic surgery.

In 2024 I had a dialogue with @timewerx on the role appearance would have towards a larger principle which has bearing on the above. In post #43 I noted, "There's a greater thing at play we can touch on if you'd like. Ozempic is the foreshadowing. Weight is the new velvet rope. Thinness will be exalted and the backlash is underway."

I included additional insights with the conclusion of 'the beautiful people' possibly being the goal. Don't overlook that. It may appear disconnected at first but when you see the comments in relation to the present it will be much clearer.

Body positivity was a trend and it's done. Thin has returned and small is preferable. That's why there's so much interest in corsets and waist trainers. A year ago you didn't hear much about weight loss but now you do and it encompasses young and old. That's a positive shift.

But the bigger issue is beautification. Plastic surgery was the first iteration and now we have the drug. When you put them together you're moving the scale. And average isn't average. When I think about the slogan 'the beautiful people' I wonder if that's the goal.


The prediction was realized and we no longer see models of varying sizes on the runway. 'Thin is in' was the initial hooray but ultra thin is its modern take. When designers unveiled their latest collections corsets and waist trainers delicately graced svelte silhouettes. And Kris Jenner's remarkable procedure is the undisputed poster child for the fountain of yourh.

Ozempic is a reflection of the have's and have nots in respect to attractiveness along with plastic surgery. If you don't like something you can change it. There's a domino effect that follows. When you enhance your appearance your standard shifts and its usually higher.

What began with the physical has made its way into the relational and we're beginning to see striking differences in women's lifestyles at a larger scale. While marriage is traditionally understood to increase a couple's financial standing. They've found a way to hack the system by abstaining from a union and its demands that limits her energy and professional development. Or through the negation of children and the expenses that accompany.

The cry I alluded to is articulated in the image.

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This is the anti-comfort anthem. The treatise against ease and everything that opposes the norms that enables a man's ascent. All of the rhetoric that came out of the manosphere and incel culture has come to a head and they got what they wanted. But in their quest for audacity they neglected important truths regarding relationships and what a woman provides for a man. And no amount of bro love will change it.

He isn't happier alone and it's taken this situation to bring him to his senses. The bravado has fallen flat and he's miserable. I mentioned a video I mistakenly watched in December that echoes the same. He equated the holidays to humiliation rituals for single men without companions. Do you realize the mental leaps you need to make that conclusion and gravity of importance you've placed on the other to believe it?

This is what lies ahead for men and it won't be rectified through government subsidies (for marriage and children), public promotion or shaming campaigns, pleas from the pulpit or other incentives. There's too many examples showing otherwise and a picture is worth a thousand words. Every post, video and personal anecdote reinforces the same and the media will follow suit.

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I know the postmodern drivel, and I very much disagree with it. A good criticism I believe, can be found in Ian Hacking's "A Social Construction of What?".

In my opinion, is not a very Christian position to hand-pick whatever parts of christianism we find suitable, and discard the others. In Kierkegaard's magnum opus "Either/Or", it is the ultimate sin: the wish to live a life of pleasure (in Kierkegaard's terms, the aesthetical life) while at the same time wishing to pat ourselves on the back as being moral persons (to live a moral life).

I would not condemn or try to convince a person who isn't a christian. As far as I'm concerned, they can do whatever they want to. I wouldn't be particularly concerned. I would, like in this case, be somewhat repelled by a person who holds themselves to be a christian while at the same time not willing to live by christian principles. I think it speaks of some kind of arrogance and obnoxious personality–that's how I feel, but I know it may be too much.

Postmodernism did not influence my beliefs. I treat the movement with high skepticism.

My present understanding of Christianity came to be 15 years ago simply by studying the Bible on my own but under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I've been a "traditional" Christian 20 years before that.

Under realization of Christ's accounts in the Book of John, even His closest disciples frequently misunderstood Him. Jesus did not promise the Bible. Made no guarantees, except the Holy Spirit. How much more likely the scribes have misunderstood facts from the Old to the New Testament.

If our civilization ends today by a large comet impact, our advanced technology completely gone and forgotten in few centuries. Few thousand years later, people won't even have an idea what a comet is. They may write it them down as angels or even gods and demons and dragons. Ancient/primitive civilizations have a tendency to humanize (or animalize?) celestial objects like the Zodiac. It will be history repeating itself.

My point is that much of religion and life is a construct. The foundation of America is a construct. Even science is a construct. But constructs =/= truth. The truth heals and preserves life.
 
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So where does that leave christian men like yourself in this dating dystopia? You will have to understand the meaning of the ideal that love comes softly. If you don't understand the reference it's a book by Janette Oke and the films are available on numerous outlets.


You'll need to take attraction off the table to widen your net and focus on character. You'll have to be able to articulate your difference unabashedly and be willing to stretch yourselves in the process and take some risks.

I would address the elephant up front and offer solutions both can agree on with a willingness to be flexible. If you're able to offer support in those areas I would admit it as well. And that wouldn't be the result of supposition or saying what she wants to hear. Book a cleaning session for yourselves or laundry service and notice the difference. Then imagine someone doing the same for themselves and others in addition to a job and you'll understand her plight.

If you require her contribution to the household to make ends meet you must do more. It's non negotiable and if you choose otherwise you may spend your life alone. And for those on social media let your feed be your testament. When you make something appetizing take a photo and tag it. When you've tidied the house take a picture with hashtag #reset or #sundayreset. The majority doing the same are women and they'll notice you.

If you've never decorated your home or introduced seasonal decor try it. If you don't want plants opt for eucalyptus or something along those lines that leaves a pleasant scent and enhances the environment. Get some nice tea towels for the kitchen and a centerpiece for the table. If you don't have dishes get a set or two place settings in white with linen napkins. A woman elevates a man's experience but you shouldn't be waiting on her to have it.

When she enters your home it should be inviting not a project she has to tackle. If your furniture isn't the best get some slipcovers. They're not expensive and alter a room's look immediately. Are your walls bear or do you have interesting things to see? If not, visit a thrift shop. They have lots of paintings and other trinkets like lamps and dishes that add character to the home and increae its warmth.

I had similar conversation with my gentleman as you'll see below.

i'd love to be a fly on the wall in your space. i knew you decorated it because it didn't have a woman's touch. who's in the kitchen preparing your meals and baking bread you can slather with homemade butter?

how do your cabinets look? are they neatly arranged with a plethora of options to satisfy your palate and keep things interesting? are your juices and beverages freshly made? have you had real sweet tea with good ingredients that didn't come in a bag?

mum sends pictures of her meals because i share the things i preserve and made chicken recently and used the apple bbq sauce i shared and raved continually. you can't find that on the shelf and even if you did it wouldn't be the same because the ingredients and process would drive up the price.

that's the advantage i want at my table. i don't want my guy eating what he could find elsewhere or pick up in the frozen section. i want him to have experiences he can share with his friends and work buddies and watch them salivate and hope game day and cookouts are at his home. i want him to hear from his single friends that's the kind of girl i need. or have them send their ladies to my content to learn from me instead.


You have to speak her language and pinpoint the things she values in your discourse. It cannot be vague or left to chance. Paint a picture in your dialogue and show her what she's missing. Romanticize your lives a tad. Don't be so sterile. You should have magic of your own. Most peope appreciate a personal touch. What's your advantage? How can you enhance her specialness in ways others can't?

That's the key to standing out and becoming unforgettable. It's not about flashy cars or lots of money. Nor do you need a big salary to make a woman smile if you were more creative. Welcome her home to the unexpected delight of chocolate chip cookies wafting in the air. You won't have to put it on social media she will.

When she mentions a hard day invite her to sit and sweep her hair to the side and apply your hands to her shoulders and gently release the tension. Build simplicity into your routines and take turns making meals. Look up videos on meal prepping and make use of your downtime to put ingredients together and dishes you can prepare with ease. Make your calendar your command center and highlight the days when you anticipate working late, deadlines or greater activity to accommodate them at home.

The beauty of a well run environment is the result of attentiveness and planning. If you were doing the same yourselves while alone you'll be prepared to follow suit when partnered. Singleness isn't an exercise in passivity. You're supposed to be practicing what follows and perfecting your skills. The key to that principle for both is variety. Are you able to make simple repairs? Paint a room or use power tools effectively? Those are usually tasks that require greater strength where your contribution is valued and may save money too.

And on the subject of appearance a conversation is long overdue. When we are children our bearing reflects that stage internally and outwardly so. Some of you are greatly attached to tee shirts, sneakers, polos and casual dress to your detriment. You're not a teen nor are you spending the bulk of your time on a golf course. Your attire should reflect more gravitas and maturity. Button down shirts and sweaters and vests that are soft to the touch do wonders for a man and communicate a level of security and settledness you won't convey otherwise. Clothing speaks before you do.

We cannot return to yesterday and adapting is a must. I encountered a stat on marriage rates for women broken down by state that was very insightful. Most calculate the same by couples. But focusing on women painted a different picture.

According to the research, Alaska and Utah have the highest averages with 22.7 unions per 1,000 women and Delaware had the lowest at 12.8. Keep in mind that number includes all women secular and otherwise. When compared with the prediction of 45% of women being single or childfree by 2030 the picture should be clear. We've entered a different age.

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No. Sounds like she's looking for a friends with benefits arrangement. If someone wants that, fine, but she's not a real christian.

What you're describing is sin not an absence of belief in Christ. If a just man sins seven times a more per day. How do you reconcile your own in light of your remark? Would the same apply to you as well?

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No worries. These are interesting times and you're going to encounter a lot of surprises. Throwing the shackles off isn't always pretty. Sometimes it's neat and tidy and others are unreleased roars of frustration best exemplified by done and nothing more. That applies across the board. Men and women are saying enough with growing frequency. Navigating relational waters in the midst of mini explosions is challenging.

Don't blame yourself if it feels like the twilight zone or you wonder if the world's gone mad. Everything is topsy turvy and we'll have to weather the rabbit hole until we reach its end. Stay true to yourself and your principles and you'll be fine.



The article is a great example of grit and reading it brought to mind similar feelings within myself. I wasn't a teen mother but experienced similar doubts from loved ones and what now's as well. But unlike the women in my family or others who might have faced comparable situations. There was never a moment when the answer was marriage nor was companionship the golden ticket to redemption.

In respect to her comments, she's obviously content and settled. She isn't looking to someone else for completion or definition. Nor is her identity woven into companionship. She's wholly herself and a man adds value to her life but he isn't her orbit or reason for being.

I don't know if she's called to singleness but considered her perspective in light of the whole. She's successful and well paid and doesn't require assistance to meet her needs or acquire the things that usually need a pair like a home. She's in a demographic that rewards autonomy and allows her to take advantage of freedoms others lack.

There's an element of the same in the snippets I shared although I phrased it differently. Every word I said was intentional and expressed the realities of my liberty and commitment to its furtherance. I have no interest in living as others do nor will I burn the candles at both ends. My days have a definitive start and end and a cadence that's pleasing with margin throughout. Home is part of that. Not a separate entity unto itself which isn't the norm for most.



It's not about the institution but the people within the pairing. Whether it was well planned or undertaken swiftly. You won't have a vibrant marriage without a collective effort from both. When character and respect is lacking it's drudgery all around. That's what fuels the why not love. You do the right thing because you're supposed to. When you stop investing in the other you'll usually find a loss respect or damage to some degree.



The link didn't come through properly and I fixed it in my response. You may want to edit the post and do the same.



I would never say I'm not marriage material based on my experiences or emotions as a believer. I think it's fine to acknowledge the impact they've had and the need for time to heal and regain our footing. We can't grow in holiness without friction and must be willing to confront our resistance and challenge it when appropriate.



Marriage is an invitation for togetherness and shared experiences. Not an exercise for one party doing everything for the sake of partnering whole the other enjoys the spoils.

Most men are looking for a woman to make their lives easier. Don't be deceived by their statements. They want the domestic benefits of a mother coupled with intimacy and financial contribution. That's the way the majority live and why they're failing. She's the physician in the relationship and always on call and rarely gets a break.

That's why you're encountering the heave and growing resistance to start again. They've been there and done that. And despite your protestations and reassurance of difference that isn't the norm. It's less about disbelief than the frequency of the problem.

It's one thing to be a domestic goddess when you're not employed and have the scope of your day to attend to tasks and children too. It's another matter to expect the same while requiring employment and placing the whole of home and children on her shoulders.

We don't have the systems in place they had in the past when loved ones provided extras hands to aid the couple. My mother didn't have her children during summer vacation. My brother went to camp and my sister and I were with my grandparents. She had a three month break every year. In addition to weekends to herself once or twice a month when I spent time with my aunt.

She never missed time from work when we were sick because she had a babysitter too. Three older christian women who kept children in their home and lived in walking distance from my school. And my sister and I attended schools with a relative on site as well. To say she had it easy is an understatement. She came from a family where everyone helped and picked up the slack when required.



How can someone waste your time without your agreement? We're all adults. If marriage is the goal you're supposed to ask their intentions. Not function under assumptions.



The bolded portion is the crux of your problem. You're engaging with women in a different season of life where they're less encumbered or relying on another for support and sustenance. It's difficult to face but face it you must for your peace of mind. The qualities a woman seeks in a man in her twenties differs from what she wants when older. She's seasoned and grown beyond the ways of doing and thinking we have when we're younger.

When you've lived a little you understand what partnership entails. You're not deceived by cinematic ideals or lofty words whispered in your ear. You know it's work and that doesn't make it less appealing as a concept. But you're aware that it takes two and one can bear the weight for both for a time but not as a constant without repercussions.

This isn't her spring and you can't expect her to have the same longings one would have in the beginning. Therein lies the wisdom of Solomon's words. There's a time and season for all things under heaven. Mating has its calendar and opportunities are more plentiful in that period than otherwise. Most notably because of childbearing and the necessity of pooling resources to get ahead.

But most of the women you're meeting have been in the workforce for a while and have more security. You're not finding yourself when you're 40 and above nor do you have all the answers. But you know more than you did at 20 and had your share of adversity. The things you wouldn't do or say when younger are less frightening then. We can't change anyone and that's the greatest lesson we learn as we mature.

You want them to be eager to partner but you're viewing the subject through different lenses and neglecting an important truth while doing so. Your why's aren't identical. The reasons you want a wife don't mirror the same when the woman considers it. And your why determines what you will or won't accept.

Oftentimes a man is desirous of togetherness because he doesn't bond emotionally in that manner with his sex. But you're forgetting that women do and even when she's dating he doesn't meet that need entirely and most obtain it from friends and loved ones. That's why it's dangerous for a woman to seek a companion when she's friendless or allow herself to become that way in the relationship.

Men don't require the same level of connectedness in the respect that women do. He doesn't need to talk things out and discuss his feelings frequently. When you attempt to do the same you'll wear him out. While he can be your bff it's never in the feminine. You can only get that from a woman and that's where the inequity lies.

His need goes unmet and you'll only share so much with a man and the majority know their limit. But it isn't the same for her. She's embraced and allowed to share her concerns without reproach. While he's keeping the same within himself she has an avenue for release.

When men went their own way I knew it would backfire. Not because it's hard to understand why someone would need a break after marital challenges and financial compromise. But the majority never considered what happens if she follows suit and that's the problem with your sex. You expect things to remain the same and complain when they don't.

This is what happens when you don't understand that you're dealing with a womb-man. She was fashioned to reproduce. If you place a seed in some soil and take care of it the point will be evident and you'll never forget it. When you put it in the ground it doesn't look the same coming out. Something new emerges.

In the same vain, the woman brings things to life. And much like a union between the two can produce a child she can birth other things as well including ideas. When they introduced the concept of separation they didn't consider the possibility of replication or something worse. That's why 45% of women ages 25-44 are expected to be single or childfree by 2030. What began with married men has magnified because she's a womb. And when you put them together new things come forth.

That may seem unrelated to your plight but its a factor that's influencing other movements and behaviors. Decentering men is the woman's answer to the other. And unlike its predecessor they're not restricting it to marriage. You can be single and do the same and much like women do in other areas they're working together and supporting one another.

You'll be hard pressed to convince someone to become a domestic surrogate when she sees others opting for support in the form of housekeeping, laundry service and grocery pickup or delivery. They're delegating what others are doing themselves and making their lives easier.

From where they stand, there's no incentive for involvement because the workload falls in her lap with little relief. Some may abstain entirely and others may opt for pairings without legal entanglements that compromise their autonomy. While it may be uncomfortable to admit, there's a lot of single mothers in marriage doing it all.

I predict this will be the next iteration of have and have nots that produces a schism between tradition and liberty. There will be a growing cry for them to "come back home" that they'll rebuff. When I saw the article in Vogue magazine I knew you were in trouble.

Like EmRata, I’m Also Decentering Men This Year – And I’ve Never Felt More Fulfilled
Regarding Vogue's article on 'The Embarrassment of Having a Boyfriend'

Vogue is the mouthpiece for the establishment and rest assured if they're championing a cause it came from them. Which means media, advertising and content celebrating the same that targets women. This is a many headed animal and there's a correlation to the above with the availability of weight loss drugs like ozempic and growing acceptance of plastic surgery.

In 2024 I had a dialogue with @timewerx on the role appearance would have towards a larger principle which has bearing on the above. In post #43 I noted, "There's a greater thing at play we can touch on if you'd like. Ozempic is the foreshadowing. Weight is the new velvet rope. Thinness will be exalted and the backlash is underway."

I included additional insights with the conclusion of 'the beautiful people' possibly being the goal. Don't overlook that. It may appear disconnected at first but when you see the comments in relation to the present it will be much clearer.

Body positivity was a trend and it's done. Thin has returned and small is preferable. That's why there's so much interest in corsets and waist trainers. A year ago you didn't hear much about weight loss but now you do and it encompasses young and old. That's a positive shift.

But the bigger issue is beautification. Plastic surgery was the first iteration and now we have the drug. When you put them together you're moving the scale. And average isn't average. When I think about the slogan 'the beautiful people' I wonder if that's the goal.


The prediction was realized and we no longer see models of varying sizes on the runway. 'Thin is in' was the initial hooray but ultra thin is its modern take. When designers unveiled their latest collections corsets and waist trainers delicately graced svelte silhouettes. And Kris Jenner's remarkable procedure is the undisputed poster child for the fountain of yourh.

Ozempic is a reflection of the have's and have nots in respect to attractiveness along with plastic surgery. If you don't like something you can change it. There's a domino effect that follows. When you enhance your appearance your standard shifts and its usually higher.

What began with the physical has made its way into the relational and we're beginning to see striking differences in women's lifestyles at a larger scale. While marriage is traditionally understood to increase a couple's financial standing. They've found a way to hack the system by abstaining from a union and its demands that limits her energy and professional development. Or through the negation of children and the expenses that accompany.

The cry I alluded to is articulated in the image.

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This is the anti-comfort anthem. The treatise against ease and everything that opposes the norms that enables a man's ascent. All of the rhetoric that came out of the manosphere and incel culture has come to a head and they got what they wanted. But in their quest for audacity they neglected important truths regarding relationships and what a woman provides for a man. And no amount of bro love will change it.

He isn't happier alone and it's taken this situation to bring him to his senses. The bravado has fallen flat and he's miserable. I mentioned a video I mistakenly watched in December that echoes the same. He equated the holidays to humiliation rituals for single men without companions. Do you realize the mental leaps you need to make that conclusion and gravity of importance you've placed on the other to believe it?

This is what lies ahead for men and it won't be rectified through government subsidies (for marriage and children), public promotion or shaming campaigns, pleas from the pulpit or other incentives. There's too many examples showing otherwise and a picture is worth a thousand words. Every post, video and personal anecdote reinforces the same and the media will follow suit.

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--This is what lies ahead for men and it won't be rectified through government subsidies (for marriage and children), public promotion or shaming campaigns, pleas from the pulpit or other incentives. There's too many examples showing otherwise and a picture is worth a thousand words. Every post, video and personal anecdote reinforces the same and the media will follow suit.--

When I read this, Mr. Scott Galloways videos come to mind. He's been blowing up the Internet addressing men's issues, dating and mating. The whole male loneliness epidemic.

To point out, what caught my attention from him was the "A guy swipes 200 time (or 100?) to just get one coffee date from a woman" and of that, 4 out of 5 ghost him.

Or that a lonely man is a dangerous man, well, lonely and financially distraught rather. And the lack of empathy for men...ANd so on.
 
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When I read this, Mr. Scott Galloways videos come to mind. He's been blowing up the Internet addressing men's issues, dating and mating. The whole male loneliness epidemic.

Men's issues weren't a thing before the internet. Sometimes it's necessary to step back and ask how we got here. The internet is a veritable pandora's box that brought everyone together in one space. You were immediately exposed to people and ideas that were normally inaccessible or unlikely to be within the average person's reach let alone their home. While many laud the benefits of diversity and access to information. Few are willing to acknowledge the pros and cons of a digital melting box.

We didn't have a male loneliness epidemic or a pornography problem or men aligning themselves with ideologies based on a movie (The Matrix). You worked, went to school, spent time with friends and family and so on. You know, normal things. You didn't have an outlet that was more enticing than real life and distracted you from it.

To point out, what caught my attention from him was the "A guy swipes 200 time (or 100?) to just get one coffee date from a woman" and of that, 4 out of 5 ghost him.

Why are you swiping to meet someone? Men and women had no difficultly finding one another before the internet told you otherwise. You've gone from having conversations to swiping to demonstrate interest. Who relates that way? That's what happens when you follow the herd. You cease to think and do what everyone does.

Has it ever occurred to you that may not be ideal or dare I say an indignity in itself?

Or that a lonely man is a dangerous man, well, lonely and financially distraught rather. And the lack of empathy for men...ANd so on.

Which only shows the depth of self-loathing they've embraced to their detriment. It's akin to the proverb about the dog returning to its vomit and a fool repeating its folly. When something isn't beneficial a rational person leaves it alone. They don't keep gnawing on a tree that makes them sick.

The only person who can turn this around is God. Not Galloway, your favorite channel, community or podcast. The majority don't share your faith and their solutions won't have the Lord's input. They're looking at the problem through human eyes when its root is spiritual. You didn't reach this place by happenstance. It was always the plan.

You don't need another article you need to pivot. That's what you do when the ship is sinking. You choose a different course. This isn't going to turn around. You can bang your head on a wall believing otherwise and cite everyone posting on the subject. But it won't make a difference.

That's why I told you to read The Velvet Rope Economy. It's the open acknowledge of a two-tiered society with one group having the best experiences and the other having little. It's more than financial now. Winners and losers is a common theme everywhere. We've always had differences in society but this is pointed and made to evoke the things you've said.

Loneliness, apathy and more. I'm not saying the internet is evil per se. But we've given it too much power and the resolution isn't found in the cause. You've gotta go back to basics and start connecting with the people around you. Don't run to the internet with questions. Talk to the people in your vicinity instead. Prioritize locality over convenience. It will be challenging at times but that's the only way forward.

I mentioned this earlier and I'll repeat it for your benefit. There's an exodus underway that's being promoted as we speak. People opting for real life over the internet and closing accounts and logging off. It appeared like a trend at first until the quiet part was said out loud. As with other things it won't be an option for all. Only for those who "can afford to unplug."

They're not talking about money. They're referring to human resources. Those who have them and those who don't. And the impact was likened to a wasteland of sorts. Everything amiss in our society is shoved in a room and amplified. That's the internet to come.

Do you remember what the weekend meant in the past? You don't hear that anymore from most. No one goes anywhere, does anything or spends time with anyone. The majority are home in front of a screen talking to strangers or living vicariously through their exploits. That's the new way to live.

Everything you're witnessing is a different iteration of musical chairs. Remember the game and you'll see it.

That isn't the abundant life Christ speaks of nor does His approach mirror the world's. This is a time for positioning. Not business as usual. Which requires connections and community. Get off the wheel and back to life. You've been warned.

~bella
 
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I mentioned this earlier and I'll repeat it for your benefit. There's an exodus underway that's being promoted as we speak. People opting for real life over the internet and closing accounts and logging off. It appeared like a trend at first until the quiet part was said out loud. As with other things it won't be an option for all. Only for those who "can afford to unplug."

They're not talking about money. They're referring to human resources. Those who have them and those who don't. And the impact was likened to a wasteland of sorts. Everything amiss in our society is shoved in a room and amplified. That's the internet to come.

Do you remember what the weekend meant in the past? You don't hear that anymore from most. No one goes anywhere, does anything or spends time with anyone. The majority are home in front of a screen talking to strangers or living vicariously through their exploits. That's the new way to live.

Everything you're witnessing is a different iteration of musical chairs. Remember the game and you'll see it.

That isn't the abundant life Christ speaks of nor does His approach mirror the world's. This is a time for positioning. Not business as usual. Which requires connections and community. Get off the wheel and back to life. You've been warned.

~bella

Things I already started doing years ago.

I don't follow trends, In fact, I don't become aware of trends unless I see it in this forum because of my heavily filtered internet use. I only try to follow what the Holy Spirit tells me.

I don't know the Spirit's gameplan and that scares me. But the things the Spirit makes me do seems to become the trend some time later. Like going off social media, doing real life stuff outdoors (skating in my example), meeting new people face to face, physical fitness.

Some of the trends actually makes sense and not really sinning, I see nothing in the Bible about maintaining traditional roles in marriage indefinitely. What Paul said is culture-specific.

I use pattern recognition plus Strong's Concordance in Greek and Hebrew to enable me to understand the Bible on a deeper level. I've started doing it over 10 years ago. Long before AI became a thing. I didn't use AI then but simply did it mentally (Human pattern recognition).

Apostle Paul is strongly distinguished from others, even from the original disciples not because of his grit but purely his theology, Even Christ's behavior with Paul is sharply different,

It's not meant to undermine Paul because Paul himself told almost like a disclaimer of his cultural context-loaded teachings - 1 Corinthians 9:19-23.

Jesus on the other-hand treated HIs male and female disciples with equality in the Book of John., sharply distinguished from Paul's teaching style. Even Christ's teaching style have differences between the books of the Gospels. Showing possible scribe/Pharisee influence.

It doesn't really bring any assurances but only uncertainty. God is not a god of confusion but Jesus did not promise us the Bible either. If the Bible spawned many divisions within Christianity, we won't be able to blame Jesus nor God for it. He promised us the Holy Spirit.

Bottomline is the sentiments of many Chrisitan women today cannot be declared with certainty they are sinning. It can even be the actions of the Holy Spirit as crazy as that sounds.

Statistics in reality paint a grim picture of Christianity. There's no conspiracy involved. If traditional Christianity produces bad fruits and you'll know them by their fruits. That's not good!
 
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Things I already started doing years ago.

I've mentioned the same over the years including restricting social media involvement to professional use, no personal accounts, not connecting with family and friends, limiting in person interactions to business associates, closing accounts on sites I used to frequent, restricting interactions with the opposite sex to r/t and so on.

I don't follow trends, In fact, I don't become aware of trends unless I see it in this forum because of my heavily filtered internet use. I only try to follow what the Holy Spirit tells me.

We use multiple accounts based on the subject to train the algorithm and limit our exposure to topics we're not interested in. I'm careful of the accounts I follow and what I listen to. We've taken a pause from politics and most geopolitical news. I think most of it's a distraction.

The Lord mentioned relationships during an event in December. It wasn't my focus for the coming year but I heeded the nudge and noticed a similar symmetry elsewhere. Former connections I haven't spoken to in years ended up in the same place unexpectedly and the air was cleared with others. The common denominator is tenure. You know the sort you've known for ages where there's little surprise.

I don't know the Spirit's gameplan and that scares me. But the things the Spirit makes me do seems to become the trend some time later. Like going off social media, doing real life stuff outdoors (skating in my example), meeting new people face to face, physical fitness.

I had an odd feeling in early January that's hard to explain. I felt certain things had to be prioritized and we needed to be in a different area. We're preempting our plan for agriculture school and my daughter is doing something sooner. That sense was confirmed by another whose content I enjoy. She felt compelled to do more this year garden wise and address deficiencies too and I felt the same.

I didn't have a place in mind but the Lord gave me the answer and it's perfect for us in many ways and we've even found a church. I shared the information with my best friend and she's on board as is my mother and daughter's godmother too. I'm conversing with someone local who's looking for the same and marveling at the Lord's timing and manner of bringing things together.

Fitness was a topic on a lot of people's agenda for the year and mine as well. Community was the selling point for the area. They have loads of events that appeal to adults, families and children. It's the kind of place where you go to local games and know one another by sight. The church is beautiful with a deep commitment to togetherness and sharing. That really struck a chord.

Bottomline is the sentiments of many Chrisitan women today cannot be declared with certainty they are sinning. It can even be the actions of the Holy Spirit as crazy as that sounds.

Christians look to the world often because they haven't developed their own ideas or no longer believe in them. Tradition isn't biblical and our benchmark is love nonetheless. The loving response in a situation won't always mimic what others do. Oftentimes it isn't the word influencing their response but a belief system in its place.

A lot of men have a formulaic approach to relationships without nuance. What's appropriate in one scenario isn't ideal for the next. And you have to weigh them separately. The situation is grievous but healing requires a willingness to admit your mistakes and seek the Lord's guidance and stay there. They're eating from so many sources and wonder why nothing's changed.

Dating is hard but mating as a christian is not. We have a common denominator and if you start with Him the rest is easier but we're impatient. There's no middle ground with God. Either we're following Him or we aren't. And that doesn't mean we'll have all the answers as you noted or know where the road leads. That's where faith comes in.

Statistics in reality paint a grim picture of Christianity. There's no conspiracy involved. If traditional Christianity produces bad fruits and you'll know them by their fruits. That's not good!

2026 is all about alliances and shoring up your connections which includes fellowship. If you've spent the last few years as an island this is your memo to get back to the mainland. This is the season to get back in church and build real connections. You want to be in the core. Not the one knocking on the door for help. The parable of the 10 virgins comes to mind. Those who heed the Spirit's leading will be covered but many won't.

~bella
 
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Men's issues weren't a thing before the internet. Sometimes it's necessary to step back and ask how we got here. The internet is a veritable pandora's box that brought everyone together in one space. You were immediately exposed to people and ideas that were normally inaccessible or unlikely to be within the average person's reach let alone their home. While many laud the benefits of diversity and access to information. Few are willing to acknowledge the pros and cons of a digital melting box.

We didn't have a male loneliness epidemic or a pornography problem or men aligning themselves with ideologies based on a movie (The Matrix). You worked, went to school, spent time with friends and family and so on. You know, normal things. You didn't have an outlet that was more enticing than real life and distracted you from it.



Why are you swiping to meet someone? Men and women had no difficultly finding one another before the internet told you otherwise. You've gone from having conversations to swiping to demonstrate interest. Who relates that way? That's what happens when you follow the herd. You cease to think and do what everyone does.

Has it ever occurred to you that may not be ideal or dare I say an indignity in itself?



Which only shows the depth of self-loathing they've embraced to their detriment. It's akin to the proverb about the dog returning to its vomit and a fool repeating its folly. When something isn't beneficial a rational person leaves it alone. They don't keep gnawing on a tree that makes them sick.

The only person who can turn this around is God. Not Galloway, your favorite channel, community or podcast. The majority don't share your faith and their solutions won't have the Lord's input. They're looking at the problem through human eyes when its root is spiritual. You didn't reach this place by happenstance. It was always the plan.

You don't need another article you need to pivot. That's what you do when the ship is sinking. You choose a different course. This isn't going to turn around. You can bang your head on a wall believing otherwise and cite everyone posting on the subject. But it won't make a difference.

That's why I told you to read The Velvet Rope Economy. It's the open acknowledge of a two-tiered society with one group having the best experiences and the other having little. It's more than financial now. Winners and losers is a common theme everywhere. We've always had differences in society but this is pointed and made to evoke the things you've said.

Loneliness, apathy and more. I'm not saying the internet is evil per se. But we've given it too much power and the resolution isn't found in the cause. You've gotta go back to basics and start connecting with the people around you. Don't run to the internet with questions. Talk to the people in your vicinity instead. Prioritize locality over convenience. It will be challenging at times but that's the only way forward.

I mentioned this earlier and I'll repeat it for your benefit. There's an exodus underway that's being promoted as we speak. People opting for real life over the internet and closing accounts and logging off. It appeared like a trend at first until the quiet part was said out loud. As with other things it won't be an option for all. Only for those who "can afford to unplug."

They're not talking about money. They're referring to human resources. Those who have them and those who don't. And the impact was likened to a wasteland of sorts. Everything amiss in our society is shoved in a room and amplified. That's the internet to come.

Do you remember what the weekend meant in the past? You don't hear that anymore from most. No one goes anywhere, does anything or spends time with anyone. The majority are home in front of a screen talking to strangers or living vicariously through their exploits. That's the new way to live.

Everything you're witnessing is a different iteration of musical chairs. Remember the game and you'll see it.

That isn't the abundant life Christ speaks of nor does His approach mirror the world's. This is a time for positioning. Not business as usual. Which requires connections and community. Get off the wheel and back to life. You've been warned.

~bella
--Do you remember what the weekend meant in the past? You don't hear that anymore from most. No one goes anywhere, does anything or spends time with anyone. The majority are home in front of a screen talking to strangers or living vicariously through their exploits. That's the new way to live.--
Hey, I've been doing board game night and D n D with friends. :) lol
 
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Hey, I've been doing board game night and D n D with friends. :) lol

Awesome! I think you mentioned it before. What are your faves? We had a tradition as well when my daughter was younger on Friday nights. I'd bring home treats and we'd have dinner and break out the board or video games. We're bringing it back this year and building collection. DnD is definitely on the list! What others do you like?

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The Lord mentioned relationships during an event in December. It wasn't my focus for the coming year but I heeded the nudge and noticed a similar symmetry elsewhere. Former connections I haven't spoken to in years ended up in the same place unexpectedly and the air was cleared with others. The common denominator is tenure. You know the sort you've known for ages where there's little surprise.
It seems as needed. The only time I heard call to make new friends is in skating. I even saw their faces beforehand in dreams. The dreams looked post-apocalyptic.

Fitness was a topic on a lot of people's agenda for the year and mine as well. Community was the selling point for the area. They have loads of events that appeal to adults, families and children. It's the kind of place where you go to local games and know one another by sight. The church is beautiful with a deep commitment to togetherness and sharing. That really struck a chord.
I'm fit as an athlete but the skinny type like a featherweight MMA fighter. Ironically, it's not what women want in this part of the world. They want chubby / plus-sized men or muscular even though I'm actually stronger than men with bigger muscles.

Dating is hard but mating as a christian is not. We have a common denominator and if you start with Him the rest is easier but we're impatient. There's no middle ground with God. Either we're following Him or we aren't. And that doesn't mean we'll have all the answers as you noted or know where the road leads. That's where faith comes in.
I have no idea. I'm only coming across women who's giving me strong gestures to get a selfie, talk, and maybe have a coffee date at the park.

Though they are physically attractive, fit, younger and seemingly way more successful than me atm, I'm not interested. I'm simply not in any shape to date anyone atm. Huge changes are coming my way in the next few years. My preferences might change drastically or getting into a relationship now could dramatically alter the dynamics few years down the road.

2026 is all about alliances and shoring up your connections which includes fellowship. If you've spent the last few years as an island this is your memo to get back to the mainland. This is the season to get back in church and build real connections. You want to be in the core. Not the one knocking on the door for help. The parable of the 10 virgins comes to mind. Those who heed the Spirit's leading will be covered but many won't.
I'm building connections with people but not with the church.

The Holy Spirit already showed their faces years before I ever saw them. They're not many. Just a handful.

I only wish to join where I can contribute more and I can be useful. I'm no longer finding it in the church. In fact, I'm barely finding it in this forum either.

Churches will toss me out if I told what I know now. I'll get banned if I did it here. I can't go back anymore unless I pretend to be one of them but I'm not going to do that, it's bad for the body.
 
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I'm fit as an athlete but the skinny type like a featherweight MMA fighter. Ironically, it's not what women want in this part of the world. They want chubby / plus-sized men or muscular even though I'm actually stronger than men with bigger muscles.

Your body type is better and beneficial for strength and endurance more so than the others. Keep doing what you do. The routines and muscle memory you've developed will pay off in spades.

Though they are physically attractive, fit, younger and seemingly way more successful than me atm, I'm not interested. I'm simply not in any shape to date anyone atm. Huge changes are coming my way in the next few years. My preferences might change drastically or getting into a relationship now could dramatically alter the dynamics few years down the road.

I'm not looking for anyone at the moment nor do I feel this is a season where that's the appropriate focus from a biblical position. Nevertheless, much like you hinted in your response, I'm sensing the close of an era. The Father told me sometimes things must be settled above before others can come forth in our realm.

Oftentimes that's attributed to a door that needs to open on our behalf. But the reverse is equally true and some things need to end. They've served their purpose or cannot accompany us on the next leg. What appears ideal today may be less so when the dust settles.

I'm building connections with people but not with the church.

When I say church I don't mean the institution or a building for that matter. But obedience brings the right pieces together nonetheless. One of the things I prioritized in my search over the years was an ear to hear and a willingness to obey. Which doesn't hinge on answered prayer, materialism, relational longings and so on. I was particularly interested in those who possessed a true Father/son or Father/daughter bond. That's a foundational principle for brotherhood and when it's lacking the other is too.

I only wish to join where I can contribute more and I can be useful. I'm no longer finding it in the church. In fact, I'm barely finding it in this forum either.

The Lord is bringing people together as we speak and you'll have a nudge much like I did when it's time if you allow Him to build it instead. Psalm 127 rings true on that. ;-)

Much of what you see around you is a time lapse. You witness the same cycles repeating themselves continually. There is no difference between the present, the previous year or the one before. They converge into an ocean of sameness which some refer to as the matrix. Non attachment is the remedy and way beyond the loop. That's why I mentioned the 12 virgins. You cannot enter the next without the oil.

Churches will toss me out if I told what I know now. I'll get banned if I did it here. I can't go back anymore unless I pretend to be one of them but I'm not going to do that, it's bad for the body.

The more you consider what's about to work rather than what's not working the better off you'll be. Technocratic societies aren't stagnant and the bulk of their time is on solutions not the other. That's the trap you're escaping and you'll be forced to cut the chord and don't look back when you do. The next phase is ahead. Don't keep it waiting too long.

~bella
 
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