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Geocentric or Heliocentric (what shape is the earth) ?

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But in general flat earth believers believe the sun moves over a flat stationary earth.
In Dubai they fast from sunrise to sunset, and even the height of a building makes a difference. In a high‑rise, sunset comes about two minutes later than it does at ground level.
 
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But in general flat earth believers believe the sun moves over a flat stationary earth.
The sun always travels east to west. If you fly half way around the world one way it will be all darkness, the other way it will be all light. The sun always appears to move east to west. Fly halfway around the world with Earth’s rotation and you stay in darkness; fly against it and you stay in daylight.
 
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The sun always travels east to west. If you fly half way around the world one way it will be all darkness, the other way it will be all light. The sun always appears to move east to west. Fly halfway around the world with Earth’s rotation and you stay in darkness; fly against it and you stay in daylight.
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Was Joshua led by The Holy Spirit.
 
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Was Joshua led by The Holy Spirit.
  • Deuteronomy 34:9 says Joshua was “full of the spirit of wisdom,” because Moses had laid hands on him. That phrase in Hebrew points to God’s Spirit equipping him for leadership.
  • Numbers 27:18 says Joshua was “a man in whom is the Spirit.” That is the clearest statement. God Himself says it.
 
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  • Deuteronomy 34:9 says Joshua was “full of the spirit of wisdom,” because Moses had laid hands on him. That phrase in Hebrew points to God’s Spirit equipping him for leadership.
  • Numbers 27:18 says Joshua was “a man in whom is the Spirit.” That is the clearest statement. God Himself says it.
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So when Joshua ask God to stop the sun and moon from moving. It was no man concocted idea built on faulty human observation, his request was inspired and guided by The Holy Spirit.
 
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So when Joshua ask God to stop the sun and moon from moving. It was no man concocted idea built on faulty human observation, his request was inspired and guided by The Holy Spirit.
It actually happened but only for that day to give Israel time to defeat the amorites. There has never been a day like that since which means the sun and the moon have never stopped again.

“Then Joshua spoke to the Lord on the day when the Lord turned the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, And moon, at the Valley of Aijalon!” So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the Book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hurry to go down for about a whole day. There was no day like that before it or after it, when the Lord listened to the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel.”
‭‭Joshua‬ ‭10‬:‭12‬-‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
 
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So when Joshua ask God to stop the sun and moon from moving.
This was clearly an eclipse. We just have different words we use now a days. Also remember this was oral tradition so the story got passed from person to person before it was written down. "So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,"
 
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This was clearly an eclipse. We just have different words we use now a days. Also remember this was oral tradition so the story got passed from person to person before it was written down. "So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,"
It does not describe an eclipse. God caused the day to lengthen so the Israelites could defeat their enemy. Whether He did this by stopping the rotation of the earth or simply by suspending time is not known, but from the point of view of the people involved in this battle, the sun and moon paused in their transits across the sky.
 
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So when Joshua ask God to stop the sun and moon from moving. It was no man concocted idea built on faulty human observation, his request was inspired and guided by The Holy Spirit.
This is all very easy, God does not break His own rules. Period the end. Just like when we are born again and a new creation in Christ we can live free from sin. This follows the teachings of John Wesley. But it would appear that people follow Post Calvanism and they believe we are miserable, depraved and deprived. Not in my Bible.
 
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So when Joshua ask God to stop the sun and moon from moving. It was no man concocted idea built on faulty human observation, his request was inspired and guided by The Holy Spirit.
Do you work hard at making things complicated? People in the ancient world knew exactly what they were doing. They could predict eclipses, track lunar cycles, and read the sky with precision. They were not nearly as primitive as you seem to think. Using an eclipse to confuse an enemy would have been a brilliant tactical move, especially if you already knew it was coming.

Their month began by observing the moon, and Day 4 is where God gives us the framework for that. The lights in the sky were appointed for signs, seasons, days, and years, so the lunar cycle naturally became the basis for their calendar.
 
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Believe what you want. I know what I believe.
The object of the request to God by Joshua was to have more daylight so Israel could defeat the Amorites. Having an eclipse would darken the day which would not help Israel or Joshua’s request. So it could not have been an eclipse.
 
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Believe what you want. I know what I believe.
Joshua 10:12
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Ai′jalon.”​

The Sun and Moon are in two different locations. How can it possibly be an eclipse and how would an eclipse extend daylight hours anyway?
 
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how would an eclipse extend daylight hours anyway?
The point seems to be that God extended the daylight in a way that doesn’t match anything we see in nature. Science describes how creation normally behaves; a miracle is God acting outside those normal patterns. So I’m simply taking the passage as a supernatural event rather than to fit it into a natural explanation.

Joshua likely had real military experience before leading Israel into Canaan. He grew up in Egypt, which was a major military culture, and the first time the Bible mentions him (Exodus 17) he is already serving as a field commander. That suggests he wasn’t a beginner. He also spent decades assisting Moses, which would have given him leadership and logistical training. The Bible presents his later victories as a combination of practical skill and God’s guidance, not as someone suddenly learning warfare from scratch. The point of the story is he won the battle.
 
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The Sun and Moon are in two different locations. How can it possibly be an eclipse and how would an eclipse extend daylight hours anyway?
The point seems to be that God extended the daylight in a way that doesn’t match anything we see in nature. Science describes how creation normally behaves; a miracle is God acting outside those normal patterns. So I’m simply taking the passage as a supernatural event rather than trying to fit it into a natural explanation.
 
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The object of the request to God by Joshua was to have more daylight so Israel could defeat the Amorites. Having an eclipse would darken the day which would not help Israel or Joshua’s request. So it could not have been an eclipse.
Then it must have been a miracle if there is no natural explanation.
 
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The point seems to be that God extended the daylight in a way that doesn’t match anything we see in nature. Science describes how creation normally behaves; a miracle is God acting outside those normal patterns. So I’m simply taking the passage as a supernatural event rather than trying to fit it into a natural explanation.
Stopping the rotation of the earth or stopping time itself are supernatural events. What on earth did you think we were claiming it to be?
 
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But your interpretation of Joshua is not.
I do not know what you mean? IF you want to write scripture, you have to be as exact and precise as God. There is no room for mistakes or errors.
 
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