FCC cracking down on liberal talk-shows not giving equal airtime to GOP guests

BPPLEE · Thursday at 1:48 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
Where do you live that liberals have dominated radio?

lol, that's funny. Reading a handful of newspapers every day like he claimed to does not constitute "countless hours [of] research". Listening to any halfway decent journalist -or, god forbid, an actual academic - talk about their particular area of expertise will disabuse anybody of the notion that his bloviating remotely resembled anything well-researched.

What Rush Limbaugh did was run his mouth for three hours a day.

I bet it's easy to come to that conclusion when you just ignore all the times that people demonstrate how you're wrong.

No, they don't. They only dominate in venues in which they aren't challenged or can steamroll their challengers. Who among these guys have succeeded in venues that subject their positions to any kind of scrutiny?

Or perhaps you mean they dominate commercially. In that case, sure, they dominate commercially, because the populists on the right prefer a media diet of junk food.

Your opinion

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 2:00 PM

BPPLEE said:
Your opinion

Some of it's opinion, sure. But not all of it. It's not my opinion that right-wing talk show hosts only do well in spaces where they're free to just rant for hours at a time. That's a fact. They don't succeed in journalism. They don't succeed in academia. I struggle to think of any who've had success in politics. A couple have had some moderate success in law, but that's kind of it. Their ideas largely aren't subject to any scrutiny beyond whether or not they sound appealing.

FWIW, this is my opinion of most people whose job it is to talk rather than do. They get paid to build audiences, not do the things they're talking about; and their audiences are largely not SME's who can't see the nonsense for what it is. Youtube is full of people with the same schtick ranting about any subject you can imagine.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 2:05 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
Some of it's opinion, sure. But not all of it. It's not my opinion that right-wing talk show hosts only do well in spaces where they're free to just rant for hours at a time. That's a fact. They don't succeed in journalism. They don't succeed in academia. I struggle to think of any who've had success in politics. A couple have had some moderate success in law, but that's kind of it. Their ideas largely aren't subject to any scrutiny beyond whether or not they sound appealing.

FWIW, this is my opinion of most people whose job it is to talk rather than do. They get paid to build audiences, not do the things they're talking about; and their audiences are largely not SME's who can't see the nonsense for what it is. Youtube is full of people with the same schtick ranting about any subject you can imagine.

So you think The View is serious journalism with academics and that Whoopie would do well in politics?

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 2:39 PM

BPPLEE said:
So you think The View is serious journalism with academics and that Whoopie would do well in politics?

lol, no. What gave you that idea?

It's hard to overstate how much I loathe that show.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 2:53 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
lol, no. What gave you that idea?

It's hard to overstate how much I loathe that show.

You seem to think that liberals are intellectuals who prefer a higher standard and conservatives are less intelligent and fall for meaningless bloviating.
Regardless any talk show's success on radio or TV depends on whether it is entertaining.
Find your audience and give them what they want seems to be the formula for success

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 3:16 PM

BPPLEE said:
You seem to think that liberals are intellectuals who prefer a higher standard and conservatives are less intelligent and fall for meaningless bloviating.

You would've had to have ignored about half of what I wrote in this thread to come to that conclusion, particularly these parts:

I actually don't think this is a right-v-left thing so much as a populist-v-technocratic thing. I think it's populists who favor the anti-intellectual bloviating of talk radio and it's technocrats who want to listen to professionals talking about professional things; and in the US, it happens to be the right that skews much more heavily populist. If we had a stronger left-wing populist movement in this country, maybe the media landscape would look different.

The vast majority of shows on broadcast tv are not formatted to "properly present" ideas of any sort. About the only ones that are would be 60 Minutes and similar long-form interview shows, all of which I could probably count on one hand. Everything else is too short, too entertainment focused, and too dumb.

Regardless any talk show's success on radio or TV depends on whether it is entertaining.
Find your audience and give them what they want seems to be the formula for success

That's fine. The problem is that many seem to confuse ratings with rigor.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 3:24 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
You would've had to have ignored about half of what I wrote in this thread to come to that conclusion, particularly these parts:

I actually don't think this is a right-v-left thing so much as a populist-v-technocratic thing. I think it's populists who favor the anti-intellectual bloviating of talk radio and it's technocrats who want to listen to professionals talking about professional things; and in the US, it happens to be the right that skews much more heavily populist. If we had a stronger left-wing populist movement in this country, maybe the media landscape would look different.

The vast majority of shows on broadcast tv are not formatted to "properly present" ideas of any sort. About the only ones that are would be 60 Minutes and similar long-form interview shows, all of which I could probably count on one hand. Everything else is too short, too entertainment focused, and too dumb.

That's fine. The problem is that many seem to confuse ratings with rigor.

Who do you consider to be the populists? A populist is just a person who appeals to ordinary people who feel they are ignored.
Aren't you saying that the populists are on the right?

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 3:41 PM

BPPLEE said:
Who do you consider to be the populists? A populist is just a person who appeals to ordinary people who feel they are ignored.

That appealing message usually has little concern for the efficacy or truthfulness of the ideas it espouses.

Aren't you saying that the populists are on the right?

What I said (twice) was:

"in the US, it happens to be the right that skews much more heavily populist. If we had a stronger left-wing populist movement in this country, maybe the media landscape would look different."

Populism is usually more about vibes than substance and intellectual rigor. In the US, populism is a lot stronger on the right than on the left, though that mix isn't necessarily inherent to the right or the left. Other countries have much stronger left wing populist traditions; and I don't imagine Mitt Romney and his buddies spend a lot of time listening to Hannity on their afternoon drives to the country club.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 3:48 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
That appealing message usually has little concern for the efficacy or truthfulness of the ideas it espouses.

What I said (twice) was:

Populism is usually more about vibes than substance and intellectual rigor. In the US, populism is a lot stronger on the right than on the left, though that mix isn't necessarily inherent to the right or the left. Other countries have much stronger left wing populist traditions; and I don't imagine Mitt Romney and his buddies spend a lot of time listening to Hannity on their afternoon drives to the country club.

What do you call fans of The View, Morning Joe and MSNBC?

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 3:55 PM

BPPLEE said:
What do you call fans of The View, Morning Joe and MSNBC?

I consider Morning Joe and MSNBC to be similar a lot of Fox News, which is mostly political junk food.

As I said earlier, The View is for people waiting for their oil changes to be finished.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 3:59 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
I consider Morning Joe and MSNBC to be similar a lot of Fox News, which is mostly political junk food.

As I said earlier, The View is for people waiting for their oil changes to be finished.

Someone is watching them

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 4:09 PM

BPPLEE said:
Someone is watching them

A lot of people consume a lot of things that are terrible.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 4:19 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
A lot of people consume a lot of things that are terrible.

Yeah they do. We have a CBS 24/7 news channel I have been watching (with a grain of salt)

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Thursday at 4:20 PM

Does the right wing put the equal amount of time for Democrats. I'm no they don't. Since I watch The Fox news channel. With certain family members and friends. To be honest, when I see Fox or news Max's. I know my the world is so screwed up. I'm not crazy about some Transgender playing in woman sports for gold. And the lbgt being so loud. But it's not worth voting for the extreme of the right. With has happened.

Tuur · Thursday at 6:48 PM

Hans Blaster said:
Those are in-kind campaign contribution issues, not the "Fairness Doctrine", and are subjects of election law, not communication law.

That's fair. Let's break this down to Fairness Doctrine in one category and Equal Time in another under campaign law.

So I went back to the New York Post article and found this:

The law states that if a broadcaster allows one eligible candidate to appear or use its facilities, it must offer the same chance to every other eligible candidate for that office.

This sounds like something under campaign law rather than Fairness Doctrine. The rest of the article reads the same way - or am I missing something.

Belk · Thursday at 6:53 PM

BPPLEE said:
So you think The View is serious journalism with academics and that Whoopie would do well in politics?

Well, it is not Tucker Carson drawing on a board. Whom do you feel does serious journalism in the right wing news sphere?

BPPLEE · Thursday at 9:32 PM

Belk said:
Well, it is not Tucker Carson drawing on a board. Whom do you feel does serious journalism in the right wing news sphere?

I like Gutfeld but he's certainly not serious. I can't watch him anymore because Sling which carries Fox News is $60 a month.
I switched to a plan that's $5 a month so now I have CBS 24/7 News. So I don't get to watch any right wing "news " shows

MarcusGregor · Thursday at 9:43 PM

Valletta said:
What I am saying is that it seems like many never even heard of or considered various viewpoints when properly presented.

I'm saying you are wrong. We have heard these alternate views and we have rejected them.

Belk · Friday at 12:23 PM

BPPLEE said:
I like Gutfeld but he's certainly not serious. I can't watch him anymore because Sling which carries Fox News is $60 a month.
I switched to a plan that's $5 a month so now I have CBS 24/7 News. So I don't get to watch any right wing "news " shows

I think this highlights a broad issue. Serious journalism is pretty few and far between no matter what your orientation.

BPPLEE · Friday at 12:26 PM

Belk said:
I think this highlights a broad issue. Serious journalism is pretty few and far between no matter what your orientation.

I watch CBS News with a grain of salt. They add a lot of opinion to their reporting

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