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FCC cracking down on liberal talk-shows not giving equal airtime to GOP guests

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Big watcher of liberal talk shows, are you?
I do watch The View on occasion. In interacting with people around here I know many of them just aren't used to hearing an alternative political point of view.
 
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This is a serious problem that I am glad is being addressed.

Why should they be compelled to have anyone on their show that they don't want to have on?

If only there was some principle or law that says something about this...

First Amendment to the US Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
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The "Fairness Doctrine" of equal time was dropped decades ago. I think Reagan was president then.
Depends. One example predates Reagan and involves the actor George Taki. Taki was running for a local office at the same time the animated version of Star Trek came out. The station held off airing the first few episodes until after the election because of Taki's character Sulu and Taki's voice.

Post-Reagan, there was an incident during an upcoming election where Disney sent make-up artists and did Gore as the Beast and his wife and Bell. Can't recall how they did up Bill and Hillary Clinton, but they were costumed as well. A reporter asked was this support for Gore, and Disney got a deer-in-the-headlights look. Think they ended up doing something or making a donation of equal value to the opposition.

Another Post-Reagan was CBS' spot for Harris just before the 2024 election and the network had to give equal time to Trump.

My favorite incident is pre-Reagan. Laugh-In did a spot with Richard Nixon looking at the camera and saying "They are going to sock-it to me?" the night before the 1968 election. There was complaints this violated the Fairness Doctrine, but I don't think a suit was ever filed.

Of particular interest here is talk radio guests, and here the Fairness Doctrine seems to be interpreted differently.
 
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Depends. One example predates Reagan and involves the actor George Taki. Taki was running for a local office at the same time the animated version of Star Trek came out. The station held off airing the first few episodes until after the election because of Taki's character Sulu and Taki's voice.

Post-Reagan, there was an incident during an upcoming election where Disney sent make-up artists and did Gore as the Beast and his wife and Bell. Can't recall how they did up Bill and Hillary Clinton, but they were costumed as well. A reporter asked was this support for Gore, and Disney got a deer-in-the-headlights look. Think they ended up doing something or making a donation of equal value to the opposition.

Another Post-Reagan was CBS' spot for Harris just before the 2024 election and the network had to give equal time to Trump.

My favorite incident is pre-Reagan. Laugh-In did a spot with Richard Nixon looking at the camera and saying "They are going to sock-it to me?" the night before the 1968 election. There was complaints this violated the Fairness Doctrine, but I don't think a suit was ever filed.

Of particular interest here is talk radio guests, and here the Fairness Doctrine seems to be interpreted differently.

Those are in-kind campaign contribution issues, not the "Fairness Doctrine", and are subjects of election law, not communication law.
 
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I do watch The View on occasion.
Liberals barely even watch The View. I have personally NEVER seen a single episode and only a few clips here and there.
In interacting with people around here I know many of them just aren't used to hearing an alternative political point of view.
We hear plenty. Irrational, hateful political points of view are easily dismissed. Just because people don't like what you have to say doesn't mean they aren't listening and considering what that view actually entails and how it effects the political discourse.
 
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Now I’m wondering if there’s any conservative talk shows that have featured prominent democrat guests.

Whataboutism is a river in Africa.
 
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Liberals barely even watch The View. I have personally NEVER seen a single episode and only a few clips here and there.
Tell me you don’t wait for your oil changes without telling me you don’t wait for your oil changes.
 
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Big watcher of liberal talk shows, are you?
No, but my exposuer come from YouTube when right wingers are pointing out the hypocrisy.
Yeah, I can’t wait to see this turned back on talk radio, lol.
Yes whats good for the goose.

Tell me, please, why aren't there more liberal radio talk shows? I first started listening to Hannity and Colmes, but nothing after that?
 
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Tell me, please, why aren't there more liberal radio talk shows? I first started listening to Hannity and Colmes, but nothing after that?

It's the same reason there aren't more serious news outlets that lean conservative: there aren't big enough audiences to make them commercially viable. Liberal radio talk shows have been tried and failed.

There are plenty of liberal podcasts, including a number of very good ones, but libs and conservatives tend to have different tastes, and those different tastes tend to work better in different media formats. Talk radio tends to favor hosts being able to yammer on for hours. That format tends to be more popular with conservatives, whether the subject matter is politics, sports, or religion. Note that long-form podcasters like Joe Rogan also tend to be more popular with the right.

Libs, OTOH, tend to prefer stuff that requires a bit more journalism and research. If you look up Pew's polling on which media outlets are trusted by each side, libs have a greater preference for print publications and those who do real journalism. But journalism is expensive and time-consuming and doesn't provide enough content to fill out multiple hours of airspace a day. In order to fill that much time, you have to bloviate, a lot. And American libs don't prefer that.

That may sound like I'm making a value judgment about conservatives and their media habits, but I'm not - not quite, anyways.

I actually don't think this is a right-v-left thing so much as a populist-v-technocratic thing. I think it's populists who favor the anti-intellectual bloviating of talk radio and it's technocrats who want to listen to professionals talking about professional things; and in the US, it happens to be the right that skews much more heavily populist. If we had a stronger left-wing populist movement in this country, maybe the media landscape would look different.
 
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Liberals barely even watch The View. I have personally NEVER seen a single episode and only a few clips here and there.

We hear plenty. Irrational, hateful political points of view are easily dismissed. Just because people don't like what you have to say doesn't mean they aren't listening and considering what that view actually entails and how it effects the political discourse.
What I am saying is that it seems like many never even heard of or considered various viewpoints when properly presented.
 
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What I am saying is that it seems like many never even heard of or considered various viewpoints when properly presented.
The vast majority of shows on broadcast tv are not formatted to "properly present" ideas of any sort. About the only ones that are would be 60 Minutes and similar long-form interview shows, all of which I could probably count on one hand. Everything else is too short, too entertainment focused, and too dumb.
 
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Tell me, please, why aren't there more liberal radio talk shows? I first started listening to Hannity and Colmes, but nothing after that?
Liberals have dominated the media during my lifetime, and radio was no exception. Paul Harvey and a sprinkling of conservative hosts around the country was about all there was. Talk shows were not big, when I was a kid I would find what I could for talk radio late at night and fall asleep listening. Ronald Reagan helped get rid of the Fairness Act, which was anything but fair, it had helped liberals keep control over radio content. The establishment media had their narratives, Sydney Schanberg, who won his Pulitzer while at the New York Times, one of last of the dying breed of investigative reports, pointed out just how shocked people would be to learn how "boiler plate" articles had become. Rush Limbaugh was key to the burgeoning of AM radio, he spent countless hours researching facts and was able to combine the facts with humor and pointed out the hypocrisy of so many liberal positions. The New York Times was one of his favorite targets. Because the establishment media had little competition and had controlled the narrative they weren't use to anyone showing them up with the facts. Limbaugh become hated by many of them, a lot like Trump is today. The establishment has been unable to shut down conservative radio, I don't know if you remember but at one point they even tried to eliminate AM radios from new vehicles. It's a lot easier to point out the errors in liberalism (and conservative radio hosts thus have more content) than to try to do so with conservativism, conservatism is much more going with what has worked in the past. In an open field conserative talk show hosts dominate.
 
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Liberals have dominated the media during my lifetime, and radio was no exception.

Where do you live that liberals have dominated radio?


Rush Limbaugh was key to the burgeoning of AM radio, he spent countless hours researching facts and was able to combine the facts with humor and pointed out the hypocrisy of so many liberal positions. The New York Times was one of his favorite targets. Because the establishment media had little competition and had controlled the narrative they weren't use to anyone showing them up with the facts. Limbaugh become hated by many of them, a lot like Trump is today.

lol, that's funny. Reading a handful of newspapers every day like he claimed to does not constitute "countless hours [of] research". Listening to any halfway decent journalist -or, god forbid, an actual academic - talk about their particular area of expertise will disabuse anybody of the notion that his bloviating remotely resembled anything well-researched.

What Rush Limbaugh did was run his mouth for three hours a day.

It's a lot easier to point out the errors in liberalism (and conservative radio hosts thus have more content) than to try to do so with conservativism, conservatism is much more going with what has worked in the past.

I bet it's easy to come to that conclusion when you just ignore all the times that people demonstrate how you're wrong.

In an open field conserative talk show hosts dominate.

No, they don't. They only dominate in venues in which they aren't challenged or can steamroll their challengers. Who among these guys have succeeded in venues that subject their positions to any kind of scrutiny?

Or perhaps you mean they dominate commercially. In that case, sure, they dominate commercially, because the populists on the right prefer a media diet of junk food.
 
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Why should they be compelled to have anyone on their show that they don't want to have on?

If only there was some principle or law that says something about this...

First Amendment to the US Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I tend to agree. Liberals seem to have the majority as far as TV talk shows and mainstream news where conservatives seem to dominate talk radio. I don't trust the government to be able to intervene and make everything "fair "
 
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