The "watch rapture view"

RandyPNW · Tuesday at 10:05 PM

Douggg said:
I have not, and do not, use the phrase 3.5 years, nor 3 1/2 years because that term is not found in the bible.

Then to be consistent you should not use the designation, "7 years" with respect to the endtime period of Antichristian rule.

Douggg said:
In Ezekiel 39:21-29, Jesus is speaking in the text having returned to this earth, after the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9.

Jesus is not speaking in Eze 39.21-29. Nowhere does Jesus say that he returns after a 7 year period. You should not be saying it.

Douggg said:
In Revelation 19, Jesus will have likewise returned to this earth.

So the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 correspond to the 7 years of Revelation 12:6 (1260 days) + Revelation 12:14 (time, times, half time).

Now you're referring to a 1260 days period that you say doesn't equate to 3.5 years. Isn't that a bit contradictory?

Douggg said:
The 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9, and the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6, and the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 are on the table below.

You said you're not going to use the 3.5 years. Your table has been delegitimized by referring to something that you said isn't there. The 7 years of Ezekiel takes place *after* the end of the conflagration, which I believe represents the return of Christ. It is not therefore to be associated with any imaginary period of 7 years *during the Reign of Antichrist.*

Douggg · Tuesday at 10:36 PM

RandyPNW said:
Then to be consistent you should not use the designation, "7 years" with respect to the endtime period of Antichristian rule.

Seven years is a term used in the text of Ezekiel 39:9.

RandyPNW said:
You said you're not going to use the 3.5 years. Your table has been delegitimized by referring to something that you said isn't there.

My table intentionally does not use the term 3.5 years. Instead I use the terms first half and second half.

There are only 15 time of the end time frames given the bible. You should study how those time frames fit in respect to one another, and make your own table/chart and post it.

RandyPNW · Tuesday at 11:50 PM

Douggg said:
Seven years is a term used in the text of Ezekiel 39:9.

Seven years is not a term used in the book of Revelation.

Douggg said:
My table intentionally does not use the term 3.5 years. Instead I use the terms first half and second half.

That is unimpressive. I'm not trying to be rude. It just doesn't make any relevant point.

Douggg said:
There are only 15 time of the end time frames given the bible. You should study how those time frames fit in respect to one another, and make your own table/chart and post it.

I don't because I don't believe that's how we are to interpret the Bible. Each context has to be viewed independently to understand how terms are used in each context. We are also to look at the whole picture as given, and not as we concoct it by piecing things together.

To do so would be suggesting God is playing games. And I don't believe He is. If He wants us to know something He can tell us explicitly, and not through some code only you or a few individuals can interpret.

Douggg · Wednesday at 2:18 AM

RandyPNW said:
I don't because I don't believe that's how we are to interpret the Bible. Each context has to be viewed independently to understand how terms are used in each context. We are also to look at the whole picture as given, and not as we concoct it by piecing things together.

Looking at the whole picture involves connecting the pieces together.

Here are the end times time frames by book and by order in each book The end times time frames are found in only three books of the bible. Ezekiel (two time frames), Daniel (six time frames), Revelation (7 time frames).

Make a table of how you think the timeframes fit in the "whole picture" and post it.

Douggg · Wednesday at 2:46 AM

@RandyPNW

If organizing how all of the end times time frames is too much for you to do, then just make a table/chart of the whole picture of just the 7 time frames in Revelation.

Since you probably don't know how to use a graphics program, try using the text color coding option, in the posting options bar. Such as... or just post everything in the normal black default lettering like I did in my post #46

Rev 9:10 5 months
Rev 11:2 42 months
Rev 11:3 1260 days
Rev 11:11 3 1/2 days
Rev 12:6 1260 days
Rev 12:14 time, times, half time
Rev 13:5 42 months

Douggg · Wednesday at 2:53 AM

in the first half - Rev 11:3 1260 days
in the first half - Rev 12:6 1260 days

in the second half - Rev 9:10 5 months
in the second half - Rev 11:11 3 1/2 days
in the second half - Rev 12:14 time, times, half time
in the second half - Rev 11:2 42 months
in the second half - Rev 13:5 42 months

in the first half - Rev 11:3 1260 days...................in the second half - Rev 11:11 3 1/2 days

in the first half - Rev 12:6 1260 days..................in the second half - Rev 12:14 time, times, half time

..........................................................................................in the second half - Rev 11:2 42 months

..........................................................................................in the second half - Rev 13:5 42 months

..........................................................................................in the second half - Rev 9:10 5 months

Douggg · Wednesday at 3:01 AM

throughfierytrial · Wednesday at 6:00 AM

Douggg said:
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

So since we are currently in a pre-70th week time status, the rapture could happen pre-70th week.

Should the rapture not take place as the 70th week begins, then we should continue to watch - as the resurrection/rapture is even closer.

My point is - don't be so dogmatic (as to insisting pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post trib timing). The key is to watch, be prepared, Matthew 24:44

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We all should be able to adopt the "watch rapture view".

Hello!
In my view we are to “watch” our conduct and doctrine… see to it we are living in love and Christs precepts. I do not believe you can use these Matthew 24 passages to point to watching for 2 appearances of Christ. He comes back only once and no other scenario exists backed by Scripture.

RandyPNW · Wednesday at 10:18 AM

Douggg said:
Looking at the whole picture involves connecting the pieces together.

Here are the end times time frames by book and by order in each book The end times time frames are found in only three books of the bible. Ezekiel (two time frames), Daniel (six time frames), Revelation (7 time frames).

Make a table of how you think the timeframes fit in the "whole picture" and post it.

As I just told you, I don't believe that is the purpose of biblical prophecy or the proper means of interpretation. Each prophecy has to be looked at independently 1st, to avoid conflating things. When doing this we are able to separate in Daniel what belongs to Antichrist, what belongs to Antiochus 4, and what belongs to Titus.

At some point yes, we should ask where the prophecy of Gog in Ezekiel might fit into the book of Revelation, which deals with the last days. But there is a danger in manufacturing prophetic maps when that is not the form in which God delivered it to us.

Douggg · Wednesday at 3:02 PM

throughfierytrial said:
Hello!
In my view we are to “watch” our conduct and doctrine… see to it we are living in love and Christs precepts. I do not believe you can use these Matthew 24 passages to point to watching for 2 appearances of Christ. He comes back only once and no other scenario exists backed by Scripture.

Hi throughfierytrial,

Jesus returns to be present on earth, coming in power and great glory, as all will see Him, Matthew 24:30b. I agree.

Regarding the resurrection/rapture, there are different views regarding the resurrection/rapture event timing. Some believe the pre-trib view, others the mid-trib view, others the pre-wrath view, others the post-trib view.

In my opening post concerning the "watch rapture view", the point is to be ready no matter what.... as we don't what day nor hour our Lord comes for the resurrection/rapture.

Dan Perez · Wednesday at 7:30 PM

Douggg said:
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

So since we are currently in a pre-70th week time status, the rapture could happen pre-70th week.

Should the rapture not take place as the 70th week begins, then we should continue to watch - as the resurrection/rapture is even closer.

My point is - don't be so dogmatic (as to insisting pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post trib timing). The key is to watch, be prepared, Matthew 24:44

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We all should be able to adopt the "watch rapture view".

And just where is the word RAPTURE FOUND with a verse ?/

dan p

Douggg · Wednesday at 8:25 PM

Dan Perez said:
And just where is the word RAPTURE FOUND with a verse ?/

dan p

Hi Dan,

Do a Google search for "the word rapture in the bible". Take a look at the AI response when you do.

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