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God does not impute trespasses to anyone anymore

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2 Corinthians 5:12 For we do not commend ourselves again to you, but give you opportunity to boast on our behalf, that you may have an answer for those who boast in appearance and not in heart. 13 For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; or if we are of sound mind, it is for you. 14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. 16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. NKJV

Verse 14 if one died for all, then all died. 1John 2:2 Jesus died for the sins of the world. Verse 15 He died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for Him who died for them and rose again. Verse 19 God was, in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself not imputing their trespasses to them. This means that God does not charge anyone in the world today with a violation of the law.

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. NKJV

Because God does not impute sins to anyone, they are not condemned because of their sins, they are condemned because they do not believe in Jesus. When people die, if they do not believe in Jesus, they are condemned for not believing God. If anyone believes in Jesus, they are not condemned as sinners.

John 16:8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. NKJV

Once again when Jesus died on the cross the only sin that God imputes to mankind is the sin of not believing in Jesus. Do the gospel messages agree with that statement?

(I did not print the entire sermons to shorten this post. I advise you to read them yourself to make sure that I am right.)

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. …................................................................23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it......................................36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call." NKJV


In the first sermon verses 23-24 and 36 named the sins they needed to repent of in verse 38. If they repented of those sins they would believe in Jesus.

In Peter's second sermon Acts 3: 11-26 note verses 13-16 Peter named their sins. Acts 3: 19 the call to repent.

Another gospel message where Paul called for repentance is Acts 17: 23-31 repent of believing in false gods and believe in the unknown God Paul proclaimed to them.

Those gospel messages support the fact that the only sin that condemns a person is not believing in Jesus.

Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. 2 And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."


5 Then Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last. So great fear came upon all those who heard these things. 6 And the young men arose and wrapped him up, carried him out, and buried him. NKJV


Here is a case of 2 people whom God killed because they lied to other Christians. How do I know that they were Christians? The apostles had all the gifts, one of which was spiritual discernment. In addition to that, If Ananias and wife were not saved there is no reason to kill them. God would have told the apostles to inform the church that Ananias and Sapphira was not of them. The apostles would then have offered to give the money back and inform them they could not partake of the Lord's supper and to leave the church. What does that have to do with this topic. If they were not true believers, by 2Cor 5:19, God would not charge them any sin except not believing in Jesus. Since God did not impute sin to them, when they died they went to heaven.

What is the difference in naming the sin for a believer and naming the sin for an unbeliever? If G od named the sin for an unbeliever it meant that He imputed that sin to them. When anyone is disciplined, the reason must be given. Without knowing the reason for discipline, the person does not know what behavior to change. That would defeat the purpose of discipline. Since God named the sin and they died for that sin I know they are believers. I also know that God did not impute sin to them. That is why I know, they died and went to heaven.

Matthew 16:17-19, John 20:21-23 Ananias' discipline is a case of the apostles binding sins of believers to them. They had the authority to bind or to loose sins of believers in the church. They could not determine who received salvation. That is entirely in at God's discretion. 2Corinthians 10:8-9 God gave the apostles the power to educate (discipline) the church. The apostles chose to educate the church early to let all the believers know that God takes disobedience very seriously and that He wants His children to conduct themselves as children of God.

Acts 5:11 So great fear came upon all the church and upon all who heard these things. NKJV

The Church took notice and learned from this event. Believers probably took great care no to stretch the truth in their conversations anymore, especially when talking to other believers.

Acts 12:21 So on a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat on his throne and gave an oration to them. 22 And the people kept shouting, "The voice of a god and not of a man!" 23 Then immediately an angel of the Lord struck him, because he did not give glory to God. And he was eaten by worms and died. 24 But the word of God grew and multiplied. NKJV

2Corinthians 5: 19 tells me that Herod was a believer. He was eaten with worms, died and went to heaven.


Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: NKJV


I believe the word of God. Jesus died for all. Does God expect an unbeliever to magnify Him? Yes, He expects all creation to give glory to Him and His only begotten. Does He impute sin to unbelievers? No! Does God kill an unbeliever for not giving Him glory? No. He will condemn the unbeliever for rejecting Jesus when the unbeliever has reached the number of days assigned to him. He does expect a redeemed one to give Him glory and honor. He disciplines believers and gives the reason for the chastisement. He justifies any person who believes in Him and is willing to die to be in the light. God did not impute sin to Herod. God killed Herod because he was a disobedient child.

All the people listed in the following scriptures were in Jesus when the scripture was written Acts 19:17-20, 1 Corinthians 5:1, 1 Corinthians 11:28-32, 2 Corinthians 12:21 and Revelation 2:21-23.
 

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Hello fli,
Sorry, for i didn't read the whole of your message for it is long for someone that doesn't know english very well.
Because God does not impute sins to anyone, they are not condemned because of their sins, they are condemned because they do not believe in Jesus. When people die, if they do not believe in Jesus, they are condemned for not believing God. If anyone believes in Jesus, they are not condemned as sinners.
Genuinely sorry also, for i hardly believe what you say.
Yet, i stand circonspect, due to your looking so affirmative.

What, please, would you say, of all the people, like me, (see 1 Jn 4 2) who confess Jesus come in the flesh,
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
and that yet don't feel things like you do ?
 
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Hello fli,
Sorry, for i didn't read the whole of your message for it is long for someone that doesn't know english very well.

Genuinely sorry also, for i hardly believe what you say.
Yet, i stand circonspect, due to your looking so affirmative.

The problem most Christians, and the world, has is they do not believe God.

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. NKJV

If anyone believes in Jesus, they are not condemned. Is that not plain enough? If anyone is not condemned by God, it means they are in good standing with Him. What is so hard to understand the rest of the scripture, he who does not believe in the name of the only begotten son of God is condemned already.” God does not look at their works to condemn them. God condemns them because they do not believe that He sent them a savior. John 16: 8-11 people are sinners because they do not believe in Jesus.


What, please, would you say, of all the people, like me, (see 1 Jn 4 2) who confess Jesus come in the flesh,
and that yet don't feel things like you do ?
I don't understand the question.
 
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The problem most Christians, and the world, has is they do not believe God.
Thank you for your answer, fli, and for the time you spend to answer
John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. NKJV
Thank you also for your writting a short message with only 1 scriptural quotation !

I think most catholic priests do believe not only in God, but also God's word, when, through Jesus, Scripture affirms what's written in Jn 3 18
If anyone believes in Jesus, they are not condemned. Is that not plain enough? If anyone is not condemned by God, it means they are in good standing with Him. What is so hard to understand the rest of the scripture, he who does not believe in the name of the only begotten son of God is condemned already.” God does not look at their works to condemn them. God condemns them because they do not believe that He sent them a savior. John 16: 8-11 people are sinners because they do not believe in Jesus.
Yes, it's plain enough.
I think your interpretation is plausible
I don't understand the question.
It was :
What, please, would you say, of all the people, like me, who confess Jesus's come in the flesh (see 1 Jn 4 2), and who, yet, don't interpret things like you do ?
However, even if catholic, you make me wonder whether salvation cannot be obtained without confession.
Indeed, i elaborated the following metaphor :
After falling from the sky, raindrops (believers) gather and form scattered streams. Some of these streams flow into the dam (RCC). Others bypass the dam (for example, the congregation of believers to which you belong). The dam opens (confession) or closes (sin), releasing or trapping the raindrops, while the course of the independent streams is not restricted.
But all eventually come together, either upstream of the sea or in the sea (the Father).
The choice of their beds (path to salvation) is a source of mutual tension (schisms and religious wars), but in the end, perhaps the ultimate goal (dream of Paradise) is common, and consists in finding themselves reunited in the sea.
This is what has been on my mind recently.
I hope I am not being too optimistic or utopian.
But if my metaphor is relevant, it could perhaps be an option for “gathering" people in friendship, rather than “scattering" them in conflict.

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Thank you for your answer, fli, and for the time you spend to answer

Thank you also for your writting a short message with only 1 scriptural quotation !

I think most catholic priests do believe not only in God, but also God's word, when, through Jesus, Scripture affirms what's written in Jn 3 18

Yes, it's plain enough.
I think your interpretation is plausible

It was :

However, even if catholic, you make me wonder whether salvation cannot be obtained without confession.
Indeed, i elaborated the following metaphor :
After falling from the sky, raindrops (believers) gather and form scattered streams. Some of these streams flow into the dam (RCC). Others bypass the dam (for example, the congregation of believers to which you belong). The dam opens (confession) or closes (sin), releasing or trapping the raindrops, while the course of the independent streams is not restricted.
But all eventually come together, either upstream of the sea or in the sea (the Father).
The choice of their beds (path to salvation) is a source of mutual tension (schisms and religious wars), but in the end, perhaps the ultimate goal (dream of Paradise) is common, and consists in finding themselves reunited in the sea.
This is what has been on my mind recently.
I hope I am not being too optimistic or utopian.
But if my metaphor is relevant, it could perhaps be an option for “gathering" people in friendship, rather than “scattering" them in conflict.

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The only reason I would think that one would not confess is if it puts them in danger, as in a Muslim country. I think that when they believed in Jesus they would be saved. In the book of romans Paul states that men could understand God from the creation. Did they need to confess to anyone, I don't know. What I do know is that If you believe and pray about it God will give you wisdom, He does not let His sheep go without leading them. God bless.
 
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The problem most Christians, and the world, has is they do not believe God.

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. NKJV

If anyone believes in Jesus, they are not condemned. Is that not plain enough? I
Satan believes in Jesus. Do you think Judas believed in Jesus?
 
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Satan believes in Jesus. Do you think Judas believed in Jesus?
Satan knows who Jesus is as he was in heaven with God. James said the demons believe there is one God and tremble. Satan does not believe in Jesus. Satan fears Jesus.

Judas might have believed in Jesus at first. He had his choice and blew it.
 
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Satan knows who Jesus is as he was in heaven with God. James said the demons believe there is one God and tremble. Satan does not believe in Jesus. Satan fears Jesus.

Judas might have believed in Jesus at first. He had his choice and blew it.
So it comes down to what "belief" really is.
 
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Hello Valletta

Just trying to dissect words :
In ordinary conversation, one may say : "i believe in you"
i think through this sentence, one may express different things :
1. I believe you are able to achieve something i expect from you : you inspire the faith that grows in me
-1'- even if you are not willing to achieve it (see Mary at Cana)
-2'- and that you are willing to achieve it (see Peter asking Jesus to command his walking on the waters)
2. I believe in your goodness, or your mercy, and that you 've got the means to perform something for me
Finally, 1 and 2 look similar to me
 
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So it comes down to what "belief" really is.
It is believing in. Those who believe in are trusting Jesus for salvation. The demons believe that Jesus will punish them. In Colossians 1:3-5 Paul states that our hope in Jesus gives us love for the saints and our saving faith. That is why some people may believe the gospel message and if they do not get hope from the message they do not believe in Jesus for salvation.
 
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