John 15:6 if we don't abide in Jesus we will be cut off

Believers Who Play With Fire Get Burned – John 15:6 – Grace Evangelical Society

Abiding in Christ Is Not the Same as Being Saved – Grace Evangelical Society

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Believers Who Play With Fire Get Burned – John 15:6 – Grace Evangelical Society

Abiding in Christ Is Not the Same as Being Saved – Grace Evangelical Society

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Also someone being dead was brought up, but we really need to see how Christ talked about dead people:

Part of the meaning to the concept of being given a gift is the fact that the ownership of the gift actually transfers to the receiver of the gift and as such the receiver of the gift can do what he/she wants to do with the gift.

The Hebrew writer in Heb. 12:16 See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.

Esau owned the “gift” of the firstborn inheritance rights, which could not be taken from him by anyone, nor could someone steal it from his hand, not even his father could take them back, but Esau could sell it or give it away.

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The Hebrew writer is telling us not to give away or sell our birth right (as born again Christians) which is our inheritance of eternal life.

Birthright will not save us if we later justify sin. Like the prodigal son who was said by his father that he was “dead,” and he is “alive AGAIN” after he came home seeking forgiveness with his father.

We own a paid-up tax-free deed to a home in heaven, so that home was gifted to us, but the Hebrew writer is saying we could sell (or give it away) like Esau did.

Which can be as a result of sin or unfaithfulness to God, or later teaching false doctrines that are heretical

Galatians 6:9 "Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers."



Paul explains plainly that eternal life is the harvest in the future we do not want to “give up”, but that also teaches we can give it up.





If you begin with an incorrect premise your final conclusion will likewise be incorrect.



First to point out, this is the Apostle Paul speaking to first generation believers. We understand that the main command to the church as a whole - literally her very role on this earth - is to spread the gospel, which to the earliest Christians was absolutely paramount, especially so to Paul.



Doing good in this passage is easily seen through this lens because the greatest good we can do for anyone, according to Scripture, is to share the Gospel - the word Gospel comes from the Greek word euangelion which literally means "The Good News".

fli said:

John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. NKJV

Jesus, Himself, warned that we must abide in Him. If we did not abide in Him, we would be cast out as a branch. Verse 1-2 the father is the one who is the vine dresser.

1 John 3:21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. NKJV

John wrote that the person who keeps His commandments abides in Jesus. Jesus first commandment is that we keep believing in Him. How could we quit believing in Jesus?

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, NKJV

How does a Christian fall away from Christianity?

Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. 26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? NKJV


The writer of Hebrews urges believers to hold fast their confession of their hope. The confession of their hope was Jesus. A few scriptures later he stated if “they sin willfully.” By 2Corinthians 5: 15 the only sin God imputes is not living for Jesus. The only way to sin is to stop living for Jesus. Since they were warned a few scriptures earlier to hold fast to their hope in Jesus, hope must have something to do with our living for Jesus, apostatizing or sinning willfully.


Colossians 1:21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight — 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister. NKJV


Paul warned the Colossians to not be moved away from their hope of the gospel. That hope is the same hope the Hebrews had in Jesus. What does hope in Jesus have to do with not abiding in Jesus or apostatizing from Jesus?

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. NKJV

Without hope in Jesus we have no saving faith, we are saved through faith. If we lose faith we lose salvation.

Romans 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NKJV

We are more than conquerors through the Father who loved us. John 15: 1-2 the Father is the vinedresser, if we lose faith in Jesus, it is because we love the world more than Jesus. We have trampled on the blood that sanctified us and we sin willfully. The Father casts us out as a branch.

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And just asking why you are using. JOHN and then. quote Paul and then. quote Jesus , that. Jesus is the. BRANCH. and we are the VINE ??

In. all of Paul's writing , he calls us the BODY OF CHRIST. and never BRANCHS OR SHEEP and your CONTEXT is

all over !!

dan p