Protestors disrupt Minnesota worship service

RileyG · Monday at 11:32 PM

Jonnas said:
OK, but why not doing that in a secular forum? There must be plenty of secular forums where people discuss American politics and current events. What attracts you to a Christian forum?

These forums are open to everyone- believers and non-believers alike.

Sometimes it’s interesting to learn about someone else’s POV.

Perpetual Student · Monday at 11:36 PM

rjs330 said:
Whataboutism.

Not "Whataboutism". Pointing out an inconsistency.
If the call for punishment for the disruptive of the eucharist is "they broke federal law", then the argument applies to all people who break or broke federal law. Otherwise there is an inconsistency and a double standard.

RileyG · Monday at 11:45 PM

Hans Blaster said:
Weird.

Yeah, some pastors have very small congregations so they have to supplement their income by working an additional job or jobs. Especially if they have a family.

RileyG · Monday at 11:47 PM

Perpetual Student said:
Not "Whataboutism". Pointing out an inconsistency.
If the call for punishment for the disruptive of the eucharist is "they broke federal law", then the argument applies to all people who break or broke federal law. Otherwise there is an inconsistency and a double standard.

I don’t know if they celebrate the Eucharist.

Per their website, it appears they are a conservative, contemporary Baptist congregation.

Just a random anecdote I found.

Jonnas · 2026-01-20T00:45:57-0600

Hans Blaster said:
I told you about the pseudoscience because you demanded I justify my presence on a Christian site. I found this site from a link from another discussion of the same inane silliness that is the "Electric Universe". (A laughably stupid notion that the stars and galaxies are powered by giant electrical currents.) I looked around and it seemed like a good place to discuss science and pseudoscience [in the correct sub-forum, not this one]. Eventually, I started participating in news and politics, with a focus on science related topics.

Thanks for the clarification! I didn't know that there was such a theory such as the "Electric Universe". Nowadays people believe in a lot of such theories, which have no evidence of truth.

Jonnas · 2026-01-20T01:04:02-0600

Trogdor the Burninator said:
ICE disrupting church services to arrest people - OK

This is not true, please read the article again. ICE neither entered the church nor interrupted the service but prompted one of its attendant to leave the church service by making his ankle monitor beeping, and then he was arrested outside the church. Do you really mean to put this incident on the same level with the disruption of the other church by the protestors ?!?

Trogdor the Burninator said:
People disrupting a church service to protest against a pastor who is OK with other church services being disrupted, but not his own - Not OK.

How do you know the personal opinion this pastor had about the former incident? It looks like to me a wild assumption to think that any member of ICE could only agree to all actions that were made by all ICE members, including any excessive actions.

Trogdor the Burninator said:
ICE shooting a pastor in the face with a pepperball for standing still and protesting - OK
ICE shooting yet more pastors in the face with a pepperball for protesting - OK

Who said here that it is OK to shoot in the face of a pastor that is standing still and protesting, but not breaking any law nor being disobedient to the authorities? For my side I won't judge such cases, when I don't know the full picture and when there are a lot of biased reports.

Hans Blaster · 2026-01-20T08:50:30-0600

Jonnas said:
Thanks for the clarification! I didn't know that there was such a theory such as the "Electric Universe". Nowadays people believe in a lot of such theories, which have no evidence of truth.

No problem. People have been believing weird stuff for a very long time.

BPPLEE · 2026-01-20T10:16:12-0600

RileyG said:
Yeah, some pastors have very small congregations so they have to supplement their income by working an additional job or jobs. Especially if they have a family.

From what I read the ICE employee is one of the pastors at the church. He's not the leader

wing2000 · 2026-01-20T11:06:19-0600

From an AP aritcle:

The website of St. Paul-based Cities Church lists David Easterwood as a pastor, and his personal information appears to match that of the David Easterwood identified in court filings as the acting director of the ICE St. Paul field office. Easterwood appeared alongside DHS Secretary Kristi Noem at a Minneapolis press conference last October.
.....
Easterwood did not lead the part of the service that was livestreamed, and it was unclear if he was present at the church Sunday.

DOJ vows to press charges after activists disrupt church where Minnesota ICE official is a pastor

The U.S. Department of Justice says it is investigating a group of protesters in Minnesota who disrupted services at a church where a local official with U.S.

apnews.com

IMO, Outside protestors, regardless of their cause, should respect places of worship. Disrupting a church service is not an effective way to get your message across.

DaisyDay · 2026-01-20T11:11:52-0600

BasedLutheran said:
Where is the hypocrisy? Where does jesus tell us to allow people to break the law and steal from us?

Matthew 5:40-44; Luke 6:29

Jonnas said:
OK, but why not doing that in a secular forum? There must be plenty of secular forums where people discuss American politics and current events. What attracts you to a Christian forum?

This is a multi-forum board. There more sections than not where Christians do not have to interact with non-Christians, if that's your preference.

Jonnas · 2026-01-20T11:37:04-0600

DaisyDay said:
This is a multi-forum board. There more sections than not where Christians do not have to interact with non-Christians, if that's your preference.

I understand that, but as I wrote, I would expect that the non-Christians shouldn't mind to much if there are some Bible verses quoted in the discussion. If they dislike that, they are going to have a hard time here, I think.

Jonnas · 2026-01-20T11:39:14-0600

RileyG said:
These forums are open to everyone- believers and non-believers alike.

Sometimes it’s interesting to learn about someone else’s POV.

Idem

Aryeh Jay · 2026-01-20T11:54:43-0600

DaisyDay said:
Matthew 5:40-44; Luke 6:29

This is a multi-forum board. There more sections than not where Christians do not have to interact with non-Christians, if that's your preference.

I wish our country was run like CF. It's proper to know who the godless hell bound people are.

DaisyDay · 2026-01-20T12:09:44-0600

Jonnas said:
I understand that, but as I wrote, I would expect that the non-Christians shouldn't mind to much if there are some Bible verses quoted in the discussion. If they dislike that, they are going to have a hard time here, I think.

Aw, how thoughtful for a sweet summer child of a forum member to be lecturing those that have been here nearly a decade or two on what to expect and what they should or shouldn't mind. It might behoove you to read up on the forum rules, if you care about contributing. I hope your sojourn here is long and fruitful. :wave:

Hans Blaster · 2026-01-20T12:33:16-0600

Jonnas said:
I understand that, but as I wrote, I would expect that the non-Christians shouldn't mind to much if there are some Bible verses quoted in the discussion. If they dislike that, they are going to have a hard time here, I think.

I was only pointing out that I ignore the quotes. A reminder that making arguments outside theology debates based entirely on bible quotes isn't particularly convincing to many people (including some Christians). I've been reading this forum for a decade.

Jonnas · 2026-01-20T12:38:35-0600

DaisyDay said:
Aw, how thoughtful for a sweet summer child of a forum member to be lecturing those that have been here nearly a decade or two on what to expect and what they should or shouldn't mind. It might behoove you to read up on the forum rules, if you care about contributing. I hope your sojourn here is long and fruitful.

I don't know why you think that I am lecturing people, as I simply expressed my wonder that there were people here that don't like to read Bible verses, but still be there reading these posts that contain them. Hans Blaster gave me afterwards an explication that satisfied me, as for his reasons to be participating on such discussions even if he didn't like the Bible verses in them, so I really don't know, why we are still discussing at length about the matter!

Tinker Grey · 2026-01-20T13:58:52-0600

DaisyDay said:
Aw, how thoughtful for a sweet summer child of a forum member to be lecturing those that have been here nearly a decade or two on what to expect and what they should or shouldn't mind. It might behoove you to read up on the forum rules, if you care about contributing. I hope your sojourn here is long and fruitful.

Hans Blaster said:
I was only pointing out that I ignore the quotes. A reminder that making arguments outside theology debates based entirely on bible quotes isn't particularly convincing to many people (including some Christians). I've been reading this forum for a decade.

And yooz both n00bs!

DaisyDay · 2026-01-20T14:10:28-0600

Tinker Grey said:
And yooz both n00bs!

You win! Respect!

GoldenBoy89 · 2026-01-20T17:04:23-0600

Jonnas said:
That's true, but if someone has a disgust of the Bible as he has, I was wondering why he imposes himself discussing in a Christian forum.

This section of the forum is open to non Christians. That’s why you find non Christians here in this part of the website.

GoldenBoy89 · 2026-01-20T17:18:13-0600

wing2000 said:
IMO, Outside protestors, regardless of their cause, should respect places of worship. Disrupting a church service is not an effective way to get your message across.

This.

I fully support anyone’s right to protest whatever group or organization they feel deserves to be called out and protested against but I don’t agree with forcing your way into buildings or places of worship and terrorizing people who have nothing to do with the object of your protest.

Tensions are very high at the moment and rightly so and there’s no calm to be expected from our national leadership who are more interested in throwing more fuel onto the fire. People need to be smarter about how they are going about protesting and standing up for their fellow Americans because this administration has no problem with their agents killing anyone who stands in their way and then labeling them a terrorist who deserved what they got.

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