Don Lemon joins anti-ICE protesters storming Minnesota church service in chaotic scenes as stunned pastor blasts 'unacceptable' stunt

Servus said:

And none of them equate supporting law enforcement as something that makes one a goat.

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I wasn’t referring to MN; I was just interpreting Matthew 25:35.

Say it aint so said:

That is one odd juxtaposition.
A Pastor, who follows the teachings of one who bestowed taking care of the least of us.
Who fellows the teachings of someone who he himself was a refugee, is a member of ICE.
ICE, an org whose actions make the Pharisees look like rank amateurs.

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Wow, imagine a pastor caring about law and order and the safety of his fellow citizens. How terrible

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

I watched this on YouTube and believe the protester was 100% in the wrong. What stood out most, however, was the behavior of the Christians in the church, especially the pastor.

In my view, the best approach would have been from a Christian perspective. When these individuals entered the church, they could have been welcomed, invited to sit in the pew, and then everyone could pray for Mrs. Good, her family, and the nation as a whole. While it's likely that the protesters might not have listened, at least the Christians could say that they responded in accordance with how Jesus would have acted, even if their offer was rejected.

Throughout history, churches have faced invasions and attacks by non-believers in many regions worldwide, including India, Pakistan, Myanmar, and Iran. Incidents like the one in MNs are not isolated; similar challenges occur globally every week.

Most often, when that happens, pastors and congregations do not behave the way these Christians did yesterday. Instead, they welcome the stranger, welcome the soldier who came to harm them, invite them to sit and pray with them, and pray for them. In many testimonies around the world, we know of brutal soldiers who came to church with violent intentions, but not only changed their minds, but they also accepted Christ. These are the types of testimonies we hear from those oppressed regions. I wonder what testimonies we have from yesterday.

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As the pastor stated to Lemon, the protestors weren't interested in talking or hearing, they were only interested in disrupting and shouting down anyone that stood against them. That's why when the churchgoers finally made their escape, the protestors remained there chanting smugly: "WHO shut this down? WE shut this down!"

If your church hasn't made security arrangements already, do it now. Not next week, not next month, not the next scheduled voters/congregational meeting, NOW. Don't fail your flock by leaving them undefended against the wolves and bears of this world. Lock your doors once the service starts. have security cameras installed. Bollards out front by the entrance so someone can't easily ram it with a vehicle. And then either hire a security team if needed, or recruit able-bodied trustworthy men within your congregation who either have guns and can conceal-carry, or who are willing to go through whatever hoops there are to get guns and conceal carry, and have them train. There are security firms out there you can hire to bring in and train the men of your congregation for security and protection and help you go over things. If you have a school on property or attached to the church, even MORE important to have that in place.

My church placed 1000+ pound planters at the entrance to halt or damage any car that tries to ram the entrance. The internal entrance to our school area from the church is currently being worked on to place a fence and security gate up in the in-between area where anyone could previously walk down between the church and the school and potentially just force the door of the fellowship hall open to get access. We have 6 members including myself who are armed, and have concealed carry permits and extensive training (myself and one other previously being officers of the law as well), and we schedule to ensure that at LEAST 2 of us (preferably 3+) are there every service. That might mean some inconvenience for vacations or holiday plans, but oh well. Once the service starts, the doors are locked and only opened to those recognized as members who might be running late. Security cameras all the way around the building.


Extra security for the main school entrance, with a vestibule that can only be opened by someone inside the school, if someone makes it through the first door, etc., and our Principal is armed and carries every day. We're as of our voter's meeting last week, looking into hiring a dedicated armed guard for schooldays as well, potentially hiring one of our young college men if they are interested in a steady job after getting training.

This sort of thing will become more and more common as the marxists gain more and more bravery and influence in our country. Be ready, and defend your flock.

d taylor said:

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Well for one i would not walk across the street to hear these people speak. So their take on the sheep and goats judgment carries no weight with me.

The context plainly states that this happens when Jesus returns and with this being after Matthew 24. It can be seen this return is the return Jesus at the end of the tribulation.
“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.

Part of this post below is From an article by John Claeys
Whole article here Matthew 25:31-46: Salvation by Works? – Grace Evangelical Society

THE SETTING FOR THE JUDGMENT OF THE NATIONS

Matthew 25:31-46 describes a future judgment beginning with this scene: “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.”9 It is important to note that this event occurs immediately after Jesus’ return to the earth, as signaled by the phrase, the Son of Man comes in His glory. In comparing this expression with Dan 7:13-14 and Matt 24:29-31, we see that this scenario refers to Christ’s return to the earth to establish God’s kingdom.


This eschatological timing is also evidenced by the contextual flow of Matthew chapters 24 and 25 which serve as a unit, commonly referred to as the Olivet Discourse. These chapters feature Jesus’ response to the apostles’ questions posed in 24:310 and provide detailed information of Daniel’s seventieth week, also known as the Tribulation period. Jesus concludes the Olivet Discourse with the description of the judgment of Gentile Tribulation survivors in verses 31-46 of Matthew 25.

THE IDENTITY OF THOSE JUDGED
As seen in v 31, the prelude to this appraisal of the nations is the enthronement of Jesus as Judge. Then, according to vv 32-33:


The word for nations can also be translated Gentiles.11 In fact, Biblically, from the time of Abraham onward, the nations have referred to Gentiles. It is also important to understand that the nations always refer to people who are concurrently alive on the earth.12 Since Jesus’ return follows the Tribulation period,13 this judgment of the nations, then, is an assessment of Gentiles who survive that horrific seven-year period.

Rest can be read at the posted link​

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well from the article itself , John C writes

As mentioned earlier, “the great majority of scholars understand ‘the least of these brothers of mine’ to refer to all who are hungry, distressed, and needy,”26 while other commentators limit “My brethren” to believers in Christ,27 and a few specify the identification as Jewish believers in Christ during the Tribulation period.28

In other words, John is saying that most Bible scholars interpret these verses as referring to those who are hungry and thirsty, while others, like himself, believe they describe Jewish believers.

Matt 25;35 is not an isolated teaching of taking care of the poor and blow verse has nothing to do with “ brothers”

• Matthew 5:7 — Blessed are the merciful.
• Matthew 5:42 — Give to the one who begs from you.
• Matthew 19:21 — Sell possessions and give to the poor.

• Luke 3:10–11 — Share food and clothing with those in need.
• Luke 6:30–31 — Give to everyone who asks; treat others as you wish to be treated.
• Luke 6:35–36 — Be merciful as your Father is merciful.
• Luke 10:33–37 — The Good Samaritan (show mercy and care for the suffering).
• Luke 12:33 — Sell possessions and give to the needy.
• Luke 14:12–14 — Invite the poor, crippled, lame, blind.
• Luke 16:19–31 — The rich man condemned for ignoring a starving beggar (Lazarus).

BasedLutheran said:

As the pastor stated to Lemon, the protestors weren't interested in talking or hearing, they were only interested in disrupting and shouting down anyone that stood against them. That's why when the churchgoers finally made their escape, the protestors remained there chanting smugly: "WHO shut this down? WE shut this down!"

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I'm not taking the side of the protesters; most likely they wouldn't listen anyway. However, that's not my main point. My point is that, throughout the world, there are more regions where Christians face persecution. Almost every Sunday, churches are invaded by nonbelievers.
Testimony after testimony from these churches recounts the remarkable acts of God: soldiers came with the intention to harm, but were instead invited in, prayed with, and ultimately departed peacefully. Others share that soldiers arrived planning violence but, moved by the experience, repented and embraced Christianity.

Your next post highlights what is wrong with American Christianity. You want security arrangements in the church, you want security cameras in the church, but the greatest security is faith in Christ.

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I am sorry i am not going to debate Bible doctrine with an unbeliever

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I find the unblievers on this forum understand the Bible better than the "Christians."

Always in His Presence said:

Don Lemon joins anti-ICE protesters storming Minnesota church service in chaotic scenes as stunned pastor blasts 'unacceptable' stunt​

A left-wing mob stormed a Minnesota church to protest Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), stopping services and leaving worshippers furious.

Protesters interrupted Sunday service at Cities Church in St Paul, angrily demanding 'ICE out' and accusing a senior leader of the church of working with the agency.

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Journalism still, so far, is not illegal in this country. Covering protests is part of the job.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

I'm not taking the side of the protesters; most likely they wouldn't listen anyway. However, that's not my main point. My point is that, throughout the world, there are more regions where Christians face persecution. Almost every Sunday, churches are invaded by nonbelievers.
Testimony after testimony from these churches recounts the remarkable acts of God: soldiers came with the intention to harm, but were instead invited in, prayed with, and ultimately departed peacefully. Others share that soldiers arrived planning violence but, moved by the experience, repented and embraced Christianity.

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The pastor handled things commendably, getting the men of his congregation to take their families to safety, while ensuring the trespassers didn't cause harm to them.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Your next post highlights what is wrong with American Christianity. You want security arrangements in the church, you want security cameras in the church, but the greatest security is faith in Christ.

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You sound like the proverbial person on their roof in the flood, refusing everything the Lord sent to help. We have security in Christ for our eternal lives, and for his will to be done on earth. That doesn't mean to be stupid and not use the gifts and tools he gives us to keep ourselves safe from those who mean to do worldly harm to us and those we are charged with the protection of.

wing2000 said:

I find the unblievers on this forum understand the Bible better than the "Christians."

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Well that one did not.

BasedLutheran said:

You sound like the proverbial person on their roof in the flood, refusing everything the Lord sent to help. We have security in Christ for our eternal lives, and for his will to be done on earth. That doesn't mean to be stupid and not use the gifts and tools he gives us to keep ourselves safe from those who mean to do worldly harm to us and those we are charged with the protection of.

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A few years back, I listened to a sermon where the pastor noted that Christians usually trust God with their eternal future, but are reluctant to rely on Him for things like money, relationships, or situations they can influence. The pastor explained that it's EASY to trust God with eternity because we have no control over it—once we are saved, our actions can't alter it. In contrast, when it comes to areas we can manage, we often prefer to be practical and take matters into our own hands rather than depend on Him.

The pastor's point is that when Christians say, "I trust God with eternity”, but emphasize on being practical on other things, what they truly mean is that they don't actually trust God with anything.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

well from the article itself , John C writes

As mentioned earlier, “the great majority of scholars understand ‘the least of these brothers of mine’ to refer to all who are hungry, distressed, and needy,”26 while other commentators limit “My brethren” to believers in Christ,27 and a few specify the identification as Jewish believers in Christ during the Tribulation period.28

In other words, John is saying that most Bible scholars interpret these verses as referring to those who are hungry and thirsty, while others, like himself, believe they describe Jewish believers.

Matt 25;35 is not an isolated teaching of taking care of the poor and blow verse has nothing to do with “ brothers”

• Matthew 5:7 — Blessed are the merciful.
• Matthew 5:42 — Give to the one who begs from you.
• Matthew 19:21 — Sell possessions and give to the poor.

• Luke 3:10–11 — Share food and clothing with those in need.
• Luke 6:30–31 — Give to everyone who asks; treat others as you wish to be treated.
• Luke 6:35–36 — Be merciful as your Father is merciful.
• Luke 10:33–37 — The Good Samaritan (show mercy and care for the suffering).
• Luke 12:33 — Sell possessions and give to the needy.
• Luke 14:12–14 — Invite the poor, crippled, lame, blind.
• Luke 16:19–31 — The rich man condemned for ignoring a starving beggar (Lazarus).

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Well i am not arguing against believers being kind to the poor,etc.. But that simply was not what the other poster was making a point about. He plainly did not understand the verses in Matthew 25 he was using. And was just using The Bible to push his political view point.

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Well i am not arguing against believers being kind to the poor,etc.. But that simply was not what the other poster was making a point about. He plainly did not understand the verses in Matthew 25 he was using. And was just using The Bible to push his political view point.

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I saw one of your comments, and I agree with you. If someone says they're an atheist, an unbeliever, or not a Christian, I don't debate the Bible with them. They typically use Bible verses only to challenge Christians, nothing more (especially in online forum. ).

Servus said:

What Don Lemon is claiming is that we have the constitutional right to barge in on church services, weddings, funerals etc. That the constitution grants such entitlement.

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Churches are no longer considered protected spaces by this administration, so I'm not sure why this is an issue.

Media-adjacent person seeks to regain lost following by doing “stuff”.

I will begin forming an opinion in three

Always in His Presence said:

The ‘journalist’ brought it in and then became part of it by his cornering the pastor and interrogating him.

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Oh, baloney. The pastor talked willingly to Lemon who was reporting on the situation as journalists are wont to do. Lol, "interrogating"

Always in His Presence said:

DOJ civil rights chief blasts Don Lemon as she vows charges against anti-ICE protesters who interrupted church service

Harmeet Dhillon said that "nobody should think in the United States that they're going to be able to get away with this" after anti-ICE protesters halted Sunday service at a St. Paul church.

www.nbcnews.com

DOJ civil rights chief blasts Don Lemon as she vows charges against anti-ICE protesters who interrupted church service

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department "will pursue charges" related to a protest inside a St. Paul church, Harmeet Dhillon, the department's assistant attorney general for civil rights, said in an interview Monday while specifically calling out ex-CNN journalist Don Lemon for his coverage of the event.

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That's why thousands of DOJ Civil Rights Division lawyers have quit! The division refuses to investigate the ICE victim but instead goes after the reporter? This is more Orwellian stuff from the most Orwellian administration!