How is it that spiral galaxies don't spiral?

Shemjaza · Monday at 5:37 AM

JohnD70X7 said:
Guess work. Admit it. Guess work and concerted agreement.
Why yes, we agree to believe the Jolly Green Giant is at the center of the galaxy.
Science... my [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

Inference from incomplete evidence is different from guesswork.

essentialsaltes · Monday at 8:20 AM

JohnD70X7 said:
No. But I don't dream up these wild fantasies

That is not what a scientific theory is.

Larniavc · Monday at 8:24 AM

JohnD70X7 said:
You will get lots of hateful push back for even considering such a thing... but that is typical for new evidence that latter becomes accepted as fact or workable theory.

Gravity is the push back of the essence of the cosmos against matter or energy that displaces it. This is what forces these displacing agents into ether a typical spherical shape or a flattened outward radiating disk. Depending on the size and density of the mass is what factors in the amount of cosmic resistance (gravity).

Why are you replying to yourself?

Larniavc · Monday at 8:27 AM

JohnD70X7 said:
But I don't dream up these wild fantasies that most atheist agnostic scientists imagine and purport them to be true... either.

What about cosmologists who are also Christians?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Monday at 8:29 AM

Larniavc said:
Why are you replying to yourself?

Oh wow, I missed that.

Though it is weird that people do that on this site in general. There's another poster who does it, where they start a thread and the first few comments are replies from themselves to their own OP in an effort to continue the thread. It's weird...

NxNW · Monday at 9:21 AM

JohnD70X7 said:
But that's the point. What it "knows about" is far less than what scientists think they know, speculate, imagine, fantasize about and then report these fairy tales as facts and science. ← Science fiction. Not science facts.

This is a false claim.

JohnD70X7 · Monday at 9:43 AM

Shemjaza said:
Inference from incomplete evidence is different from guesswork.

Lol.

JohnD70X7 · Monday at 9:49 AM

essentialsaltes said:
That is not what a scientific theory is.

A scientific theory is formed based on what evidence is available plus physics plus supposition while allowing for rebuttal or being disproved by gaining more evidence.

Not the diatribe drivel posing as science about diamond rain, water worlds gas giants in close orbit of stars, etc. using nonfactual artist renderings and made up videos and graphics claiming these poor impotent "theories" are facts. That is not science but false religion! And most are simply taking the word of these wild-eyed lunatics without verifying their ridiculous claims or even applying common sense.

Truly people are bleating sheep. Baaaa, so you say baaaa, so anoth says baaaa

JohnD70X7 · Monday at 9:50 AM

Larniavc said:
Why are you replying to yourself?

Just beating to the punch / avoiding the sound of crickets on your part.

JohnD70X7 · Monday at 9:52 AM

Larniavc said:
What about cosmologists who are also Christians?

You mean people who can be Christian in faith but deceived about cosmology?
Do you really want to go with this lame subterfuge?

JohnD70X7 · Monday at 9:52 AM

NxNW said:
This is a false claim.

Prove it.

Larniavc · Monday at 9:55 AM

JohnD70X7 said:
You mean people who can be Christian in faith but deceived about cosmology?
Do you really want to go with this lame subterfuge?

So the Christians on this, a Christian website who are cosmologists , astrophysicists etc are not real Christians?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Monday at 9:56 AM

JohnD70X7 said:
A scientific theory is formed based on what evidence is available plus physics plus supposition while allowing for rebuttal or being disproved by gaining more evidence.

Not the diatribe drivel posing as science about diamond rain, water worlds gas giants in close orbit of stars, etc. using nonfactual artist renderings and made up videos and graphics claiming these poor impotent "theories" are facts. That is not science but false religion! And most are simply taking the word of these wild-eyed lunatics without verifying their ridiculous claims or even applying common sense.

Truly people are bleating sheep. Baaaa, so you say baaaa, so anoth says baaaa

Just so you know, calling a science a religion is against the rules of this subforum and is considered flaming.

essentialsaltes · Monday at 9:57 AM

JohnD70X7 said:
A scientific theory

The important thing in this context is that a theory must not only be a satisfactory explanation for the totality of the evidence, but there are no competing hypotheses that can match its explanatory power.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Monday at 9:58 AM

JohnD70X7 said:
You mean people who can be Christian in faith but deceived about cosmology?
Do you really want to go with this lame subterfuge?

You know, if you want to show that the mainstream science is wrong regarding the cosmos... you actually do have to put in the effort to SHOW that it's wrong instead of just SAYING its wrong.

Do the actual work, instead of just spouting this arrogant nonsense and think people will accept what you say as gospel.

Larniavc · Monday at 10:01 AM

JohnD70X7 said:
Prove it.

You need to substantiate this first.

"But that's the point. What it "knows about" is far less than what scientists think they know, speculate, imagine, fantasize about and then report these fairy tales as facts and science. ← Science fiction. Not science facts."

You have made a claim with no supporting ervidence. That's like a prosecutor tell the jury the gun thug is guilty without providing evidence. Moreover it's also asking the jury to "find the evidence yourself".

There would be as much laughter in that court as in this thread. Your fitness for the bar would be immediately reviewed and found wanting.

Jipsah · Monday at 10:24 AM

JohnD70X7 said:
No. But I don't dream up these wild fantasies that most atheist agnostic scientists imagine and purport them to be true... either.

That's not how science works, though, is it?

JohnD70X7 said:
Try just the facts, people.

That's how science works.

JohnD70X7 said:
You know, the truth.

That's what science is about; sorting out what's objectively true from what people "know" but isn't true at all. Just like the "flat Earth" thing. People "know" that the earth is flat, when in fact it isn't, as a matter of faith. Science doesn't work that way.

Jipsah · Monday at 10:29 AM

Larniavc said:
"But that's the point. What it "knows about" is far less than what scientists think they know, speculate, imagine, fantasize about and then report these fairy tales as facts and science. ← Science fiction. Not science facts."

I know I got everything I needed to know to be an Electrical Engineer from the Bible. None of that "scientific" rubbish for me. <Laugh>

Jipsah · Monday at 10:36 AM

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Though it is weird that people do that on this site in general. There's another poster who does it, where they start a thread and the first few comments are replies from themselves to their own OP in an effort to continue the thread. It's weird...

Tuere's that. but my brilliant technique for replying to meself is setting out to edit a message (mine always need it, too few get it), but hitting Reply instead of Edit.

Hans Blaster · Monday at 12:09 PM

JohnD70X7 said:
A scientific theory is formed based on what evidence is available plus physics plus supposition while allowing for rebuttal or being disproved by gaining more evidence.

Not the diatribe drivel posing as science about diamond rain, water worlds gas giants in close orbit of stars, etc. using nonfactual artist renderings and made up videos and graphics claiming these poor impotent "theories" are facts. That is not science but false religion! And most are simply taking the word of these wild-eyed lunatics without verifying their ridiculous claims or even applying common sense.

We can measure the orbits of stars rotating with the disk of our Galaxy.

JohnD70X7 said:
Truly people are bleating sheep. Baaaa, so you say baaaa, so anoth says baaaa

You reveal yourself and your low character.

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