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President Trump renews push for Greenland, citing U.S. national security needs

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The mineral wealth is low quality and hard to extract.
For now. But in a warming word, that could change. And the position of Greenland at a strateigic point on what will soon be a navigable "Northwest Passage :

Matters for security and economic reasons. Suspicions occur that this might be a way to destroy NATO, via aggression on another NATO nation. Putin would love it.
 
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For now. But in a warming word, that could change. And the position of Greenland at a strateigic point on what will soon be a navigable "Northwest Passage :
Nah, the Trump Administration doesn't accept climate change, remember. So, they wouldn't use that.
 
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Nah, the Trump Administration doesn't accept climate change, remember. So, they wouldn't use that.
Exxon didn't accept climate change, either. But...

Exxon disputed climate findings for years. Its scientists knew better.

Research shows that company modeled and predicted global warming with ‘shocking skill and accuracy’ starting in the 1970s


Now it's true that Trump's understanding of weather and climate is about windmills causing cancer. But not everyone working for him is that dumb.
 
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Republican leaders push back on Trump's openness to using the military to take Greenland

The Republican leaders of the House and Senate dismissed the idea of using the U.S. military to take over Greenland, even as the White House has insisted it is on the table.

If I was heading up Greenland's defenses, I'd change the island's name to "Epstein." He'd never talk about it again.
 
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It left the EU in the 1980s. Let the citizens of Greenland decide on any offer made by the United States. Most in Greenland would like to break away from Denmark but they are dependent upon financial assistance from Denmark. The U.S. can make them a better deal.

1) Greenland's healthcare system provides free, tax-funded services to all of its residents, covering doctors, hospitals, medicine and basic dental care!

2) More specialized medical facilities are located at Greenland's capital, Nuuk - the most serious medical cases are evacuated back to Denmark!

3) Given the recent defunding of Obamacare leaving many Americans unable to afford health insurance, the Trump Administration have got this all wrong - its Greenland and Denmark that can make US citizens "A BETTER DEAL!`
 
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Trump is looking for Denmark to fund more for the defense of Greenland, which is the
basis for him floating the idea that the US might take over Greenland.

Apparently, Denmark is going to spend more of the defense of Greenland than they had
in the past.
 
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Apparently, Denmark is going to spend more of the defense of Greenland than they had
in the past.
Makes sense. This is the first time in a long time that any nation has made threats against them.

The White House says the administration is weighing “options” that could include military action to take control of the strategically located and mineral-rich island, which is a semi-autonomous region that is part of NATO ally Denmark.

He's getting more and more deranged. And yet republicans continue to ignore his decline.
 
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How many here are perfectly fine with US invading Greenland?
That would require personal corruption on the Stephen Miller level. Not many, if any here.
 
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How many here are perfectly fine with US invading Greenland?
Under what circumstances? Some years ago, Greenland cozied up to China and among other things talked about building air airport until Demark did a "What are you going?" and that ended that. Had China done so and started basing military craft there, then we'd likely would have done what we did in Grenada.

If you mean waking up in the morning and finding out the US has taken Greenland, not so much.

If, however, there are increasing tensions with Europe (and I anticipate that this will be the case in the long term), we might well seize it. The same with a heat-up of hostilities with China if Denmark hesitated on doing anything. That's a different situation than just taking Greenland because it's there.
 
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however, there are increasing tensions with Europe (and I anticipate that this will be the case in the long term), we might well seize it
Go to war with NATO?
 
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Go to war with NATO?
If NATO continues to exist, that could very well happen. Wouldn't discount it, and I honestly think the US and Europe may well go to war at some point in our lifetimes.
 
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If NATO continues to exist, that could very well happen. Wouldn't discount it, and I honestly think the US and Europe may well go to war at some point in our lifetimes.
That is a chilling thought. Will we have any allies?
 
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Under what circumstances? Some years ago, Greenland cozied up to China and among other things talked about building air airport until Demark did a "What are you going?" and that ended that. Had China done so and started basing military craft there, then we'd likely would have done what we did in Grenada.

If you mean waking up in the morning and finding out the US has taken Greenland, not so much.

If, however, there are increasing tensions with Europe (and I anticipate that this will be the case in the long term), we might well seize it. The same with a heat-up of hostilities with China if Denmark hesitated on doing anything. That's a different situation than just taking Greenland because it's there.
"Seizing" Greenland under hostile conditions would be more of a hassle than some people think.

Right now, the US does not have the Arctic combat and logistical capability to do that. We have been depending on the NATO nations that are close to the Arctic (who have been exercising this kind of fighting since WWII) to handle that corner.

It will take years, probably at least a decade, to develop the capability to actually occupy Greenland in combat.
 
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It will take years, probably at least a decade, to develop the capability to actually occupy Greenland in combat.
Possibly. Yet when the Japanese took some of the Aleutians, the US managed to take them back within a couple of years, despite the Pacific forces being equipped for warmer weather. As it was, I think the active campaign took place in the summer, not the dead of winter. That said, I wonder just how unequipped the US is for arctic combat. It's not like we don't have a base in a place called Thule. Yes, I know it's called Pittufik now, but it will always be Thule to me.
 
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That is a chilling thought. Will we have any allies?
Want a more chilling thought? How many of the allies we have now will be allies we'd want to be associated with then? Remember that we went from the French being allies to being angered over the XYZ Affair and a quasi-war with France within a span of a few years.
 
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Possibly. Yet when the Japanese took some of the Aleutians, the US managed to take them back within a couple of years, despite the Pacific forces being equipped for warmer weather. As it was, I think the active campaign took place in the summer, not the dead of winter. That said, I wonder just how unequipped the US is for arctic combat. It's not like we don't have a base in a place called Thule. Yes, I know it's called Pittufik now, but it will always be Thule to me.
Pituffik Space Base (Space Force...not a combat unit) is not an extensive facility. Although it's near the coast, the harbor is iced-in for nine months of the year. It's as far north as the US has been able to physically maintain a permanent facility.

The Aleutians are not as extreme as Greenland, and island-hopping combat is more feasible there for a number of reasons than Greenland. It's very easy with a minimum amount of logistics interdiction to force troops in Greenland into eating their own feet during the winter.
 
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How many here are perfectly fine with US invading Greenland?
UK citizen here, so not sure if I get a vote, but unsurprisingly not at all fine with it.
 
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