Belgium is sending a scouting officer to Greenland too!

Perpetual Student · Friday at 3:37 PM

Groenland - "We nemen deel aan verkenningsmissie op vraag van Denemarken", verduidelijkt Theo Francken | VRT NWS: nieuws

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Belgium joins the countries (France, the Netherlands, the UK, Germany, Italy, Sweden , Denmark, Finland) to support Greenland against the marauders that are lurking in the dark. Whatever barbarian invader tries to occupy Greenland, they will meet a strong coalition.
Team Greenland grows every day.

ThatRobGuy · Friday at 7:57 PM

Perpetual Student said:
Whatever barbarian invader tries to occupy Greenland, they will meet a strong coalition.
Team Greenland grows every day.

Unless they add either Russia or China to their coalition, I hate to burst your bubble, but the "barbarian invaders" you fear won't be too deterred by the coalition you mentioned.

1) Just in terms of raw numbers

(disclaimer, I leveraged Anthropic to build this table)

Category	Combined European Forces (9 nations)	United States
Active Personnel	~1.1 million	~1.6 million
Defense Spending (2024)	~$300 billion	~$850 billion
Nuclear Weapons	Yes (France, UK)	Yes (largest arsenal)
Aircraft Carriers	3 (1 French, 2 UK)	11 supercarriers
Fighter Aircraft	700+ (Rafale, Eurofighter, F-35, Gripen)	~2,000+ (F-35, F-22, F-16, F/A-18)
Total Aircraft	~1,900	~13,000+
Submarines	~40 (including nuclear)	~70+ (largest fleet)
Main Battle Tanks	~1,600	~6,000+
Stealth Aircraft	Limited (F-35s only)	Extensive (F-22, F-35, B-2, B-21)
Global Bases	Limited overseas presence	750+ bases worldwide
Strategic Airlift	Moderate capacity	Massive (C-17, C-5, KC-135/46 fleets)
Recent Combat Experience	Limited	Extensive (20+ years continuous)
Satellite/Space Assets	Limited	Dominant military space presence
Integrated Command	NATO framework but separate commands	Unified command structure

2) Those militaries' capabilities are heavily reliant on US tech and infrastructure that we're nice enough to let them use.

What This Means In Practical Terms:
If those 9 European nations fought independently without US/NATO integration:

They'd retain their hardware and personnel
But would lose critical force multipliers: intelligence networks, logistics support, interoperability
Their sustained combat effectiveness would be significantly reduced
Power projection beyond Europe would be severely limited

3) That's not including the nations that would (willingly or begrudgingly) side with the US in the interest in self preservation. (we are responsible for securing the lion's share of the worlds shipping lanes)

That is what happens when a group of nations becomes complacent and are willing to basically outsource a task of their enterprise (that they really should've kept in-house) to another entity.

"Here, here's a token percentage of our GDP, you go deal with the global threats and military interventions, we'll hang back here and condemn war so we can have our cake and eat it too"

It'd be like outsourcing all of the critical IT support to another company while your company focuses on other things, and then when that other company decides they maybe want to get a little froggy and start making some demands, expecting your own in-house IT team to be able to measure up to them.

askesis · Friday at 8:00 PM

Perpetual Student said:
Team Greenland grows every day.

Team Trump is unbeatable. Remember when he got shot and raised his fist? That's all we need to know. And if Trump says we need Greenland, then we need to support him.

Trogdor the Burninator · Friday at 8:33 PM

ThatRobGuy said:
Unless they add either Russia or China to their coalition, I hate to burst your bubble, but the "barbarian invaders" you fear won't be too deterred by the coalition you mentioned.

I seem to remember similar conversations when Russia invaded Ukraine.

ThatRobGuy · Friday at 8:38 PM

Trogdor the Burninator said:
I seem to remember similar conversations when Russia invaded Ukraine.

The nine aforementioned militaries have had even less "real world combat" experience than the Russians in the past two decades (with the exception of the UK to a degree, and perhaps some of the special forces operatives from those countries)

Meanwhile, the US military has been involved in various real-world combat scenarios for the last 20 years.

And in terms of the hardware and tech, the above chart highlights a drastic difference between the US compared to those nine other countries (combined)

Bradskii · Friday at 10:27 PM

ThatRobGuy said:
Unless they add either Russia or China to their coalition, I hate to burst your bubble, but the "barbarian invaders" you fear won't be too deterred by the coalition you mentioned.

Do you really think they are all there to repel any invasion? Really? Is that what you honestly think?

Bradskii · Friday at 10:28 PM

ThatRobGuy said:
And in terms of the hardware and tech, the above chart highlights a drastic difference between the US compared to those nine other countries (combined)

Gosh. You do...

Pommer · Saturday at 2:29 AM

ThatRobGuy said:
The nine aforementioned militaries have had even less "real world combat" experience than the Russians in the past two decades (with the exception of the UK to a degree, and perhaps some of the special forces operatives from those countries)

I’m sure that no European nation wants to tangle with the country that brought Ukraine to its knees in only a few short years, especially since an attack on one is an attack on all, (at least the NATO states). Weak European armies would melt to even the fourth round of Russian conscriptees!

ThatRobGuy said:
Meanwhile, the US military has been involved in various real-world combat scenarios for the last 20 years.

I had a friend who found an unexpended .38 round.
I looked at it was yup it was probably “live”.
Later that evening whilst I had gone home, he had lodged it in between two bricks in a wall in his backyard and pelleted it with a brick until it exploded. No one was hurt, and he didn’t even get in trouble, until a little later because kids are stupid and can’t keep their mouths shut.

It was the very first time I saw “I have thing this that does ‘something’ and I’m going to try and get it to do that ‘something’ in the most dangerous and irresponsible way ever”.

This is my general feeling over this present Administration.

ThatRobGuy said:
And in terms of the hardware and tech, the above chart highlights a drastic difference between the US compared to those nine other countries (combined)

We could “take on the Europeans” (sans Russia).
What’s “in it” for us?

Perpetual Student · Saturday at 6:19 AM

ThatRobGuy said:
Category Combined European Forces (9 nations) United States
Active Personnel ~1.1 million ~1.6 million
Defense Spending (2024) ~$300 billion ~$850 billion
Nuclear Weapons Yes (France, UK) Yes (largest arsenal)
Aircraft Carriers 3 (1 French, 2 UK) 11 supercarriers
Fighter Aircraft 700+ (Rafale, Eurofighter, F-35, Gripen) ~2,000+ (F-35, F-22, F-16, F/A-18)
Total Aircraft ~1,900 ~13,000+
Submarines ~40 (including nuclear) ~70+ (largest fleet)
Main Battle Tanks ~1,600 ~6,000+
Stealth Aircraft Limited (F-35s only) Extensive (F-22, F-35, B-2, B-21)
Global Bases Limited overseas presence 750+ bases worldwide
Strategic Airlift Moderate capacity Massive (C-17, C-5, KC-135/46 fleets)
Recent Combat Experience Limited Extensive (20+ years continuous)
Satellite/Space Assets Limited Dominant military space presence
Integrated Command NATO framework but separate commands Unified command structure

Why do you oppose the USA to European nations, when there are Chinese and Russian vessels all over the place?
Is the USA not a reliable ally? A trustworthy friend that always honors its commitments?
The current president Trump is a very stable genius, he will certainly fulfill all the treaties and agreements signed- an American signature is gold. And let us not forget that Trump is awarded the FIFA peace price and owner of the 2025 Nobel Peace medal.

Perpetual Student · Saturday at 6:25 AM

askesis said:
Team Trump is unbeatable. Remember when he got shot and raised his fist? That's all we need to know. And if Trump says we need Greenland, then we need to support him.

At what cost?
Do you see any of the Trump children going into combat? Or are they too precious? Your (grand)children are of course good for the meat grinder, they aren't a Trump after all.

Aryeh Jay · Saturday at 6:58 AM

Perpetual Student said:
At what cost?
Do you see any of the Trump children going into combat? Or are they too precious? Your (grand)children are of course good for the meat grinder, they aren't a Trump after all.

Yeah, sure, tell us again how Barack Hussain Obama's children went to Afghanistan with the military.

Perpetual Student · Saturday at 7:11 AM

Aryeh Jay said:
Yeah, sure, tell us again how Barack Hussain Obama's children went to Afghanistan with the military.

I didn't cheer for the invasion of Afghanistan. @askesis does cheer a possible invasion of Greenland.

Aryeh Jay · Saturday at 7:19 AM

Greenland should be welcoming being made a part of the United States. Everything will increase for them. Inflation, unemployment, illiteracy, infant mortality, crime...

askesis · Saturday at 7:29 AM

Perpetual Student said:
At what cost?
Do you see any of the Trump children going into combat? Or are they too precious? Your (grand)children are of course good for the meat grinder, they aren't a Trump after all.

We need to protect our leader and his progeny, who will eventually rule over us with benevolence like their father.

askesis · Saturday at 7:30 AM

Perpetual Student said:
I didn't cheer for the invasion of Afghanistan. @askesis does cheer a possible invasion of Greenland.

I wouldn't say, "cheer, " but perhaps, "applaud."

wing2000 · Saturday at 8:15 AM

You know, his highness could simply make a declaration that Greenland is part of the United States without lifting a finger...(other than signing his declaration).

Come to think of, maybe Denmark should send Trump a map illustrating the new American territory to hang in Oval Office beside this Nobel Peace Prize medal.

Laodicean60 · Saturday at 9:46 AM

Perpetual Student said:
Greenland against the marauders that are lurking in the dark.

This is why there is a US base there. As of late, no one would dare mess with Greenland without getting a bloody nose from the USA

Perpetual Student said:
they will meet a strong coalition.

Too much European propaganda. Europe can't protect itself or supply Ukraine; in a week, Russia, China, and the USA will have divided it. The reason Trump doesn't like Europe because Europen liberal don't like him.

Tuur · Saturday at 10:25 AM

Bradskii said:
Do you really think they are all there to repel any invasion? Really? Is that what you honestly think?

They are there to make it inconvenient. Attacking NATO members and all. But the problem with us barbarians is that barbarians don't care.

Prospector · Saturday at 11:31 AM

Laodicean60 said:
This is why there is a US base there. As of late, no one would dare mess with Greenland without getting a bloody nose from the USA

So the US is going to punch itself in the nose?

Servus · Saturday at 1:38 PM

Perpetual Student said:
Groenland - "We nemen deel aan verkenningsmissie op vraag van Denemarken", verduidelijkt Theo Francken | VRT NWS: nieuws

Volg het nieuws over de spanningen rond Groenland op de voet in deze liveblog.

www.vrt.be

Belgium joins the countries (France, the Netherlands, the UK, Germany, Italy, Sweden , Denmark, Finland) to support Greenland against the marauders that are lurking in the dark. Whatever barbarian invader tries to occupy Greenland, they will meet a strong coalition.
Team Greenland grows every day.

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