Oklahoma city council rejects proposal to build 15-acre Islamic center, mosque

Michie · Thursday at 9:59 AM

Democrats accuse residents of deliberately mispronouncing Muslim names

City officials in Oklahoma have rejected a plan to build a 15-acre development with an Islamic center and mosque.

In a packed special meeting that drew more than 1,000 attendees and lasted nearly four hours, the Broken Arrow City Council voted 4-1 on Monday night to deny a rezoning request for a proposed Islamic center and mosque on 15 acres of land near South Olive Avenue in the city, a suburb of Tulsa.

The land, purchased in 2014 by the North American Islamic Trust and affiliated with the Islamic Society of Tulsa, has been at the center of intense local debate since late last year. The proposal sought to rezone the property from agricultural to commercial general to permit construction of a place of worship, along with community services such as a food pantry and a free medical clinic.

More than 400 residents on both sides of the issue signed up for public comment at Monday’s meeting, as supporters emphasized religious freedom, community integration, and the need for a second worship space to relieve overcrowding at existing facilities in the Tulsa area, where as many as 10,000 Muslims reside.

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Oklahoma city council rejects proposal to build 15-acre Islamic center, mosque

City officials in Oklahoma have rejected a plan to build a 15-acre development with an Islamic center and mosque

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Vambram · Thursday at 12:46 PM

Thank you, Oklahoma City Council.

RileyG · Thursday at 1:20 PM

Per google there is already numerous mosques in the city. Is there a growing need for more? Is the Muslim population growing? Makes me wonder.

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 1:22 PM

Vambram said:
Thank you, Oklahoma City Council.

Yes, thank you for putting your bigotry and disregard of the first amendment out in the open for all of us to see. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, after all.

For anyone curious to see just how spurious their complaints were, here's the plot in question:

11623 S 129th E Ave · 11623 S 129th E Ave, Broken Arrow, OK 74011

Building

www.google.com

It's in the middle of a bunch of woods and farmland, just off a highway, next door to a church and across the street from a reception hall.

If their stormwater management plans weren't adequate, fine. Send them back for revisions, but the notion that there are concerns about traffic or other long-term development goals is laughable.

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 1:22 PM

RileyG said:
Per google there is already numerous mosques in the city. Is there a growing need for more? Is the Muslim population growing? Makes me wonder.

Who cares?

Vambram · Thursday at 2:47 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
Yes, thank you for putting your bigotry and disregard of the first amendment out in the open for all of us to see. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, after all.

For anyone curious to see just how spurious their complaints were, here's the plot in question:

11623 S 129th E Ave · 11623 S 129th E Ave, Broken Arrow, OK 74011

Building

www.google.com

View attachment 375375

It's in the middle of a bunch of woods and farmland, just off a highway, next door to a church and across the street from a reception hall.

If their stormwater management plans weren't adequate, fine. Send them back for revisions, but the notion that there are concerns about traffic or other long-term development goals is laughable.

No bigotry at. You don't know me. Don't accuse me and insult me.

Vambram · Thursday at 2:48 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
Who cares?

Who cares if Islamists over run America.

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 3:02 PM

Vambram said:
No bigotry at. You don't know me. Don't accuse me and insult me.

My thanks, like yours, were directed at the Broken Arrow City Council.

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 3:02 PM

Vambram said:
Who cares if Islamists over run America.

Building a house of worship constituted "over running" the country?

Vambram · Thursday at 4:43 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
Building a house of worship constituted "over running" the country?

Have you noticed that Islamists are becoming larger communities in America?

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 7:03 PM

Vambram said:
Have you noticed that Islamists are becoming larger communities in America?

Even if they are, so what?

Do you know what "over running" means?

Vambram · Thursday at 9:01 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
Even if they are, so what?

Do you know what "over running" means?

Yes, I know exactly what that means. Do you?

Richard T · Friday at 2:04 AM

Muslims have the right to worship. If government restricts them, they can restrict any church including yours. The Christan battle is not won through government.

Tuur · Friday at 5:15 AM

iluvatar5150 said:
Even if they are, so what?

Like it or not, many of the personal liberties we enjoyed today were influenced by a Christian outlook that doesn't seemed to be shared in Islam. Call that bigotry if you wish, but there it is. See how well LGBTQ does in places like Iran.

iluvatar5150 · Friday at 7:47 AM

Vambram said:
Yes, I know exactly what that means. Do you?

I do, which is why I'm confused about how building a church or growing (to a still-relatively-small number) constitutes "overrunning".

I'd be interested to hear your explanation.

Tuur said:
Like it or not, many of the personal liberties we enjoyed today were influenced by a Christian outlook that doesn't seemed to be shared in Islam. Call that bigotry if you wish, but there it is. See how well LGBTQ does in places like Iran.

This is such a wild take to me.

For one thing, our personal liberties only jive with what would be considered by today's standards a rather liberal/progressive/woke version of Christianity - especially now that larger and larger segments of American Christianity are becoming more overtly illiberal and power-hungry. It's more accurate to say that our personal liberties derive from a secular Enlightenment era philosophy that cribbed some religious vocabulary but bore little substantive resemblance to actual Christian doctrine. Personal liberties may be consistent with a Christian outlook, but they don't naturally develop from it. If they did, it wouldn't have taken nearly 2000 years for those liberties to develop and Christian groups wouldn't have been so resistent to their expansion over the last ~300-400 years. Christ never promised us anything of the sort and many of his adminitions involve abandoning individual identities and goals for the sake of the community and the kingdom.

The LGBTQ example is a particularly amusing one, because it's been largely Christians and people operating under the banner of Christianity who've tried to deny rights to that community. It's been secularists who've been pushing for those. Left to their own devices, large segments of American Christianity likely would've wound up with rules similar to Iran's. The only reason American Christians are as nice to gay people as they are now is because the secular community pushed them in this direction.

Tuur · Friday at 11:27 AM

iluvatar5150 said:
I do, which is why I'm confused about how building a church or growing (to a still-relatively-small number) constitutes "overrunning".

I'd be interested to hear your explanation.

This is such a wild take to me.

For one thing, our personal liberties only jive with what would be considered by today's standards a rather liberal/progressive/woke version of Christianity - especially now that larger and larger segments of American Christianity are becoming more overtly illiberal and power-hungry. It's more accurate to say that our personal liberties derive from a secular Enlightenment era philosophy that cribbed some religious vocabulary but bore little substantive resemblance to actual Christian doctrine. Personal liberties may be consistent with a Christian outlook, but they don't naturally develop from it. If they did, it wouldn't have taken nearly 2000 years for those liberties to develop and Christian groups wouldn't have been so resistent to their expansion over the last ~300-400 years. Christ never promised us anything of the sort and many of his adminitions involve abandoning individual identities and goals for the sake of the community and the kingdom.

The LGBTQ example is a particularly amusing one, because it's been largely Christians and people operating under the banner of Christianity who've tried to deny rights to that community. It's been secularists who've been pushing for those. Left to their own devices, large segments of American Christianity likely would've wound up with rules similar to Iran's. The only reason American Christians are as nice to gay people as they are now is because the secular community pushed them in this direction.

Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Brunei, Mauritania, and several states in Nigeria have the death penalty for homosexuality. Guess what they have in common.

iluvatar5150 · Friday at 1:57 PM

Tuur said:
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Brunei, Mauritania, and several states in Nigeria have the death penalty for homosexuality. Guess what they have in common.

Another response that doesn't address the point being made.

Richard T · Friday at 6:37 PM

Tuur said:
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Brunei, Mauritania, and several states in Nigeria have the death penalty for homosexuality. Guess what they have in common

Just for the record.
"Countries Where Homosexuality is Criminalized (or Restricted) in Christian-Majority Nations

Africa: Uganda (life/death penalty), Ghana, Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia (life), Nigeria (northern states), Eswatini, Liberia, Cameroon.
Americas/Caribbean: Jamaica, Trinidad & Tobago, Guyana, Grenada, Saint Lucia (though decriminalized in 2025).
Oceania: Papua New Guinea, Samoa, Tonga, Tuvalu.

Key Examples

Uganda: Has one of the strictest laws, with the death penalty for "aggravated homosexuality".
Ghana: Recently passed anti-LGBTQ+ laws, with strong church backing.
Tanzania & Zambia: Criminalize male homosexuality with potential life imprisonment"
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