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New documents shed light on Renee Good’s ties to ICE monitoring efforts in Minneapolis

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What would you do if you believed someone is trying to run you over with an SUV and you couldn't get out of the way?
Frankly, what killed the woman was not the cop, but the leftist brainwashing that compelled her to not only put herself, but her child in a dangerous situation. Yes, leftist rhetoric killed her, not the cop.
 
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Nobody was trying to run him over. If she was she had ample opportunity when he was more directly in front of the car. Does every person almost hit by a car have the same right to shoot the driver?
I agree. She was not trying to run the cop over. She was trying to flee arrest and did not care if a cop was run over. Honestly, if the cop had not moved out of the way, do you really think that in her heightened state of panic, she would have stopped to avoid running over the cop? I would imagine the cop believed the obvious answer was NO. If I was a cop, I would rather go home in hand cuffs than in a body bag. That woman not only deliberately inserted herself, but her own child, into a danger situation knowing the risks. Did she deserve to die? No! Was the ICE agent wrong for shooting her? No!

This is a tragedy. But a tragedy the was completely avoidable. A tragedy that she put herself in.
 
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I think it's pretty evident the so called internal injuries are at best a bruised knee, at worst a lie, if he was that injured he not have walked around fine, or fired into the car with any amount of skill. Given the amount of lying trumps goverment does, I want more then their claims I want actual evidence by a impartial group.
 
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Civilian violence to affect a political outcome is terrorism.

Unless you are part of an unruly mob assaulting police and breaking into the US Capitol for the intent of overturning an election and hanging the Vice President. That's patriotic.
 
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Did she deserve to die? No! Was the ICE agent wrong for shooting her? No!
People sometimes have real difficulty in acknowledging that both things can be true at the same time.

It can both be a terrible tragedy and a legal use of force at the same time.
 
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Unless you are part of an unruly mob assaulting police and breaking into the US Capitol for the intent of overturning an election and hanging the Vice President. That's patriotic.
No its not. Most of us conservatives never condoned any of the violence or any calls for violence that occurred on that day. Most of us also do not condone anyone breaking into the Capitol either. An awful lot of people never broke in. Some were let in. A great many people were also over prosecuted. All if these things can be true.

But breaking in, calling for violence, committing violence is not patriotic in my view.
 
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I had a thought.
The bullet hole in the windshield, fired from the angle it seemed to have come from, night have missed Ms Good altogether, meaning that the second and/or third shots done did the damage.

I’ve seen LEO’s opine that the first shot was “okay” but the send two were at best “iffy”.

This is all speculation since there’s going to be no investigation into this incident.
 
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I had a thought.
The bullet hole in the windshield, fired from the angle it seemed to have come from, night have missed Ms Good altogether, meaning that the second and/or third shots done did the damage.

I’ve seen LEO’s opine that the first shot was “okay” but the send two were at best “iffy”.

This is all speculation since there’s going to be no investigation into this incident.
With how rapidly it happened, there probably wasn't a lot of time to react/assess between shots. (Hence the reason why a lot of LEO-involved shootings don't involve just a single shot)

I touched on this in another thread, but a perceived lack of training and/or "no experience in life/death situations" shouldn't have played a factor in this one.

While some have decried the lowering of standards that started in August 2025,
In the case of agent Ross:
- Combat veteran with two tours in Iraq.
- CBP officer in El Paso from 2007-2014
----during which time, he was a FBI/CBP joint task force team leader (from what I'm reading, in a SWAT capacity) during Cartel-focused operations
- Joined ICE in 2015.

One could maybe rationally make a suggestion at the other end of the spectrum...which is, too much exposure to the other kinds of aforementioned dangerous environments can potentially create people who, as the saying goes, "can't separate the sharks from the guppies anymore"...but even that may be a stretch, being 10 years removed from fighting with Iraqi insurgents and Los Zetas
 
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suffered internal bleeding
I did not see him getting hit by the car, in the film I saw. I might read or hear someone saying it shows in the film, but this does not mean it is true, and not that I saw.
her child in a dangerous situation
She had a *kid* with her while she did that???? This is the first time I have read this . . . if this is what mean. Among other things, that would be reckless endangerment and possibly contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

And if people are interfering with the arrest of rapists and murderers and terrorists, they are coconspirators, I would say. Not to mention, I doubt the activists know who could be arrested; so they have no way to know if they are interfering with the removal of a dangerous person.

Plus, it seems ones are accusing ICE people of crimes . . . presuming them guilty before a proper investigation and trial. Treating an agent like the person is guilty, even before the agent has worked at a scene is not constitutional.
 
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I did not see him getting hit by the car, in the film I saw. I might read or hear someone saying it shows in the film, but this does not mean it is true, and not that I saw.

She had a *kid* with her while she did that???? This is the first time I have read this . . . if this is what mean. Among other things, that would be reckless endangerment and possibly contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

And if people are interfering with the arrest of rapists and murderers and terrorists, they are coconspirators, I would say. Not to mention, I doubt the activists know who could be arrested; so they have no way to know if they are interfering with the removal of a dangerous person.

Plus, it seems ones are accusing ICE people of crimes . . . presuming them guilty before a proper investigation and trial. Treating an agent like the person is guilty, even before the agent has worked at a scene is not constitutional.
No child was in the car. I don’t know where that came from. She did have her dog in the car and her wife was outside the car. The child was in school at the time.
 
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I mean, a bruise is technically internal bleeding, so...
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I am just posting information i have come across, as i have no opinion on what has happened
 
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I did not see him getting hit by the car, in the film I saw. I might read or hear someone saying it shows in the film, but this does not mean it is true, and not that I saw.

She had a *kid* with her while she did that???? This is the first time I have read this . . . if this is what mean. Among other things, that would be reckless endangerment and possibly contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

And if people are interfering with the arrest of rapists and murderers and terrorists, they are coconspirators, I would say. Not to mention, I doubt the activists know who could be arrested; so they have no way to know if they are interfering with the removal of a dangerous person.

Plus, it seems ones are accusing ICE people of crimes . . . presuming them guilty before a proper investigation and trial. Treating an agent like the person is guilty, even before the agent has worked at a scene is not constitutional.
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All i can say is that is what is being reported, by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
 
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reported, by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
That would mean that while we are viewing the video, with an ICE agent taking one pop through her window, there's supposed to be a kid in the back seat. Are"you" telling me he took that shot, knowing a kid was in the car? Or, was he that incompetent an observer so he did not see the kid???? And then the car moves off and crashes into another car. And there is no obvious action to get a kid right out of the car, during that film, and have the child checked by emergency medical responders. Plus, the shot woman's partner does not obviously indicate a kid needs to be rescued; I think she would have tried to get custody of the child, right away.

So . . . "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit" comes to mind. Is there any mention of ICE agents retrieving a kid from the back seat, when they get to the crashed car?? If a kid was there, I think the anti-ICE people would be all over that, i.e-e-e-e-e, how a trained officer shot into a car with a kid in it. So, in case "somebody" is trying to make her look bad by having a kid that she did not have there . . . "somebody" could wind up giving the ICE officer a bad name . . . not doing a very good job of lying.

But I am told a tactical liar expects any new lie to replace an older one, in the minds of incompetents. So, the lie can be the officer should have shot into the car. Then days later claim she had a kid with her, so she gets a bad name, and just ignore how he should *not* have shot with a kid in there. But count on people to just forget the claim that the officer was supposed to shoot into the car. And, days later when it is clarified she had no kid with her . . . "enough" people will only remember what they were told earlier. Or - the "tactical" liar just forgets the earlier lies that contradict the later ones.
 
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That would mean that while we are viewing the video, with an ICE agent taking one pop through her window, there's supposed to be a kid in the back seat. Are"you" telling me he took that shot, knowing a kid was in the car?
From what I've read there wasn't anyone else in the car.

She had dropped her six year old (from her second husband) off at school earlier in the day.

And from what it sounds like, her other two Children 12 & 15 are the custody of their father (her first husband) in a different state.
She had recently moved to Minneapolis with her wife and 6-year-old son, whom she had with her second husband, according to news reports.
 
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In the case of agent Ross:
- Combat veteran with two tours in Iraq.
- CBP officer in El Paso from 2007-2014
----during which time, he was a FBI/CBP joint task force team leader (from what I'm reading, in a SWAT capacity) during Cartel-focused operations
- Joined ICE in 2015.
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Mr. Ross is an experienced ICE officer who served as a firearms instructor for the agency’s field office in St. Paul, Minn., and also received extra training as a member of its tactical team. Tactical team members typically receive crowd-control training. In court records, he described serving in the Iraq war.
[He told the court about being deployed to Iraq in 2004 and 2005 as “a machine-gunner on a gun truck” with the Indiana National Guard.]



In a prior incident, he reached into a car with both hands, and was dragged down the street aproximately 100 yards as the driver sped away.

“First step in arresting an occupant of a vehicle is NOT to reach in and grab him, unless there are specific circumstances requiring that action,” reads one internal ICE document providing legal guidance for uses of force during vehicle stops.


And in this incident, he placed himself in front of car whose driver was clearly preparing to leave (as recorded on his on phone).
--Placing one in front of a vehicle is against policy.
--Occupying one hand with a phone recording ??
--By disabling (killing) the driver, the car was now in an uncontrollabe state. Fortunately, no one was in it's path. For that reason, I understand police are trained to take out the driver as a last resort


Tricia McLaughlin, a homeland security spokeswoman, said that “ICE law enforcement officers are trained to use the minimum amount of force necessary to resolve dangerous situations to prioritize the safety of the public and our officers” and are “highly trained in de-escalation tactics.”

Two other agents aggressively charged the vehicle while yelling "Get the **** out the car"! And then grabbing for the car door.

Is that de-escaation?

If ICE were really concerned about public safety, they could have simply recorded the car's plates and have the police follow-up later. Instead, they chose to ESCALATE.....

And now, with the POTUS, the Vice President, the DHS Secretary and the DOJ backing up this agent's office, they have given a green light to all ICE agents to ignore police and escalate....

“That guy is protected by absolute immunity,” Vice President JD Vance said last week of the ICE agent who killed Ms. Good, 37. [ICE agents do not have absolute immunity, but of course with they will think they do....]
 
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No child was in the car. I don’t know where that came from. She did have her dog in the car and her wife was outside the car. The child was in school at the time.
Perhaps I had the dog confused with the kid.
 
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