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Karoline Leavitt blames 'deranged' Democrat officials for inflaming violence against ICE

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WASHINGTON — White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt accused Democratic elected officials during a Thursday briefing of inflaming violence against federal law enforcement, but stopped short of revealing how much more President Donald Trump might tolerate before invoking the threatened Insurrection Act of 1807.

"That's only a question, frankly, the president can answer," Leavitt said in response to a question about what Trump's "tipping point" is on using the 19th-century law, which she noted remains "a tool at the president's disposal."

In a Truth Social post on Thursday morning, Trump threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807 to restore order amid ongoing riots against U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials in Minneapolis following a second ICE-involved shooting Wednesday night. The shooting took place when an ICE officer shot Julio Cesar Sosa Celis, an illegal Venezuelan immigrant, in the leg after Celis allegedly fled a traffic stop and ambushed him with a shovel.

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You need an insurrection to invoke the insurrection law. Something like Jan 6. A janitor attacking an ICE agent with a shovel or an ICU nurse photographing an ICE agent doesn't apply.

We get it; the massive release of ICE agents on the streets of Minneapolis was an attempt to incite riots. Ernst Rohm did the same thing in German in the 1930s. But it didn't work this time.
 
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Trying to enforce immigration law that was being ignored and investigating fraudulent use of taxpayer money ( feed our future) isn’t inciting a riot. There is something seriously wrong in Minneapolis from the deaths of Justine Damond to the George Floyd deaths to the Annunciation Catholic Church shooting ( & others) law & order fails on the local level. Of course this is under democrat government. The mobs on the streets seem to reflect much of the Minneapolis mentality to me, ready & raring to go ( not all city residents of course).

The 1807 Insurrection Act is not the way to go but the question is there are probably extremists inciting the mobs who would welcome it.

A prominent former governor from Minneapolis says maybe Minnesota should secede.



The thing is most of rural & small town Minnesota voted for Trump.


 
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You need an insurrection to invoke the insurrection law. Something like Jan 6. A janitor attacking an ICE agent with a shovel or an ICU nurse photographing an ICE agent doesn't apply.

We get it; the massive release of ICE agents on the streets of Minneapolis was an attempt to incite riots. Ernst Rohm did the same thing in German in the 1930s. But it didn't work this time.
The only people inciting riots in Minneapolis are the local politicians and progressive left wing liberal agitators who refused to allow federal immigration laws to be enforced.
 
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Minorities don't determine elections.
I made no such claim otherwise as compared to your baseless incitement claim. It is interesting where the mobs are active though, there is perpetual social dysfunction and a lot of illegal immigration.
 
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Minorities don't determine elections.
I made no such claim otherwise
Just responding to the claim that rural communities in Minnesota tended to vote for Trump. He lost Minnesota because minorities don't determine elections. That wasn't your point; it was my point.
 
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The only people inciting riots in Minneapolis are the local politicians and progressive left wing liberal agitators
If so, they aren't doing very well.
That post is laughable.
Not laughable. Just a bit overwrought. There were riots after the murder of George Floyd. And it would have suited the plans of the administration if the recent killings had similarly incited major disorders. Trump's press secretary and others have suggested that the insurrection act would have allowed Trump to take control of the state. But nothing remotely like it happened.
 
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Minorities don't determine elections.

Just responding to the claim that rural communities in Minnesota tended to vote for Trump. He lost Minnesota because minorities don't determine elections. That wasn't your point; it was my point.
Your fictional incitement claim is the issue here as if the problems of Minneapolis wouldn’t exist if ICE agents never attempted to enforce immigration law. The place is always in chaos & if the mobs weren’t out of control, the insurrection act wouldn’t even have even been considered.


Exclusive | Minnesota cops beg Walz, pols to let them work with ICE, say they could have prevented shootings
 
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Your fictional incitement claim is the issue here as if the problems of Minneapolis wouldn’t exist if ICE agents never attempted to enforce immigration law.
Minnesota has less than 200,000 illegal aliens. Texas has 2.1 million. Let's get real for a bit, O.K.? The problem is Minnesota didn't "vote right."

The place is always in chaos
Less violence than Houston,for example. But of course, Houston is in a red state. More violence than El Paso, TX. But then El Paso has a much larger percentage of illegal aliens than Minneapolis.

if the mobs weren’t out of control,
As you saw earlier, there was no disorder until ICE moved in. You pretty much made my argument for me.
 
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There were rioters in Minneapolis, but not the way you probably want to hear...
A Texas man, a self-described member of the violent anti-government extremist group known as the "Boogaloo Bois," has been sentenced to four years for firing into Minneapolis' 3rd Police Precinct during the civil unrest that followed the police murder of George Floyd.
Ivan Hunter, 24, previously pleaded guilty to a federal riot charge after admitting to traveling from San Antonio to Minneapolis, where along with other Boogaloo Bois members he obtained an AK-47 assault rifle.


The Boogaloo Bois are a loosely organized Libertarian, anti-government extremist group, and the name has popped up in several criminal investigations in Minnesota recently.
A Boogaloo Bois member from New Brighton, who was seen carrying guns during the May 2020 riots along with a fellow member from North Carolina, was last month sentenced to three years in prison for attempting to provide material support to the terrorist group Hamas.
In January, a Boogaloo Bois member from St. Cloud was sentenced to 2 years for firearms offenses, with the criminal complaint revealing he also discussed plans for violence against law enforcement and an attack on the Minnesota State Capitol during a "Stop the Steal" rally on Jan. 17, 2021.

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...ars-for-firing-rifle-during-minneapolis-riots
 
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If Jan 6 was an insurrection, the current uprising against ICE in Minnesota most certainly is.
The difference is Jan 6 lasted three hours and the insurgency against ICE has lasted for weeks and is ongoing.
Another difference is left wingers are encouraging other states to join in on the insurgency.

Another difference is that I, a conservative, in no way, shape, or form condone the actions of anyone on Jan 6, but the leftists fully support the uprising against ICE.
 

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If Jan 6 was an insurrection, the current uprising against ICE in Minnesota most certainly is.
Let's see... the insurgents broke into the capitol assaulted police, resulting in the death of at least one of them. They broke windows, defecated in the Capitol, stole equipment and other items from the offices they looted, and sought to hang the vice president. Their intention was to overthrow a legal election. They admitted in court that they had sought to do so, under orders from the man who lost the election. He later pardoned most of the insurgents.

So far, the evidence from Minneapolis shows that one man was shot several times in the back for taking photos of police and a woman was shot and killed for driving her car away from an agent after being told to leave. ICE claims that one agent was bumped by the car, leading to "internal bleeding", but refused to release any evidence for this claim.

Let's try to keep it real, um?
 
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Another difference is that I, a conservative, in no way, shape, or form condone the actions of anyone on Jan 6
On this forum, for example, I can't think of another right-winger who condemned their attempt to overthrow the election.
but the leftists fully support the uprising against ICE.
First, you need to show that there was an "uprising." And then you'd need to show that all the leftists supported it.
 
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So far, the evidence from Minneapolis shows that one man was shot several times in the back for taking photos of police and a woman was shot and killed for driving her car away from an agent after being told to leave. ICE claims that one agent was bumped by the car, leading to "internal bleeding", but refused to release any evidence for this claim.
Whether he had internal bleeding or not is irrelevant, you can't drive into a federal agent with your car, which is a multi-ton weapon. That's why you need a license to drive it, you are expected to be responsible with your car when behind the wheel. As for Alex Pretti, he was carrying a gun without carrying identification, which is illegal. He was also interfering with federal agents carrying out their duty, while carrying a weapon, and without immediately notifying said agents that he was carrying a gun. While that in itself might not get you shot, it very much increases the odds of such a thing happening. In other words, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
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Whether he had internal bleeding or not is irrelevant, you can't drive into a federal agent with your car
That's your problem; the video doesn't show that happening.
As for Alex Pretti, he was carrying a gun without carrying identification, which is illegal.
Show us that. Sounds like another excuse for executing the man who never even touched his pistol.
He was also interfering with federal agents carrying out their duty
Supreme Court has ruled he had every right to do what he was doing. Yes, ICE has learned to fear people recording them, but it's a constitutional right. He was just exercising his first and second amendment rights.
In other words, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
When the regime considers the Bill of Rights to be "playing stupid games" it has ceased to be government and has become a crime family.
 
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Less violence than Houston,for example. But of course, Houston is in a red state. More violence than El Paso, TX. But then El Paso has a much larger percentage of illegal aliens than Minneapolis.
All democrat controlled.
 
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Minnesota has less than 200,000 illegal aliens. Texas has 2.1 million. Let's get real for a bit, O.K.? The problem is Minnesota didn't "vote right."
Texas has 10 times the population, the southern border has way more illegal crossings than the northern border.
 
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