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He didn't kill her out of anger. And his response is a psychological response that is perfectly understandable after just being hit by the car. You need to learn a little about human psychology.
When faced with a situation where you perceived you are in real danger rhe physiological responses take over. They can have a range of response. His is one of the perfectly natural physiological and psychological responses to the situation of someone putting him in that type of risk.
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As one Lutheran to another, support the Law and the Civil Authorities that the Lord has given us, and pray for the officer who had to take a life while his own was threatened.
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I will always shoot someone in the face if they try to run me over with a multi-ton vehicle. Only an idiot would passively allow that without defending themselves.
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They should be counted as 0, because they are not legally present in the country and should not have any influence, sway, or say, in our country
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Funny you say that and then suggest someone else needs to learn more about a little about human psychology.
My emphasis. Given your analysis here, and in other places, you are in no position to make this pronouncement.
I've been in more dangerous situations then that in my work than that guy was in that minute and I didn't feel compelled to kill anyone.
This is bad police work. Just like how Floyd was bad police work.
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Okay.
Now let's step out of fairy tale land and into a place where you have to deal with what actually happens in the video.
If someone bumps you with their car are you also going to shoot them in the face?
Actually, I'm pretty sure you would so....
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I just did
yes, if someone moves a multiton vehicle at my body, let alone manages to make contact with me, I most certainly am going to empty my entire mag into their face through the windshield if possible.
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A person can be non-threatening verbally while still trying to harm you physically. In this case she was non-threatening verbally and then hit him with a 4000# weapon.
I didn't hear him tell her to leave.
This is why you cannot be trusted with your observations. He did not come at her while brandishing a gun. He did not pull his gun until she drove at him.
All she had to do was get out of her car as commanded.
Gas lighting and speculative based on bias.
He did not stand in front if the car, he was circling the car filming it. He was still moving at the time. Again you need to learn more about human physiology and psychology. Depending on the agency, officer are either trained to double tap when firing or firing until they perceive they have stopped the threat. The time it took to perceive the threat, pull his weapon fire and percieve he had stopped the threat was mere seconds. The science involved would tell you his actions were well within the parameters of how the human body and brain work together to perceive, react and end the actions.
You are very ignorant of the science on this area. I dont acrually expect you to know, as we see in this thread most people don't. But it might be a good idea to learn something about it.
An understandable psychological response to the situation. Misogyny had nothing to do with it.
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I said that because rhe claim was that's why he did it. In a case of perceived threat adrenaline kicks in and the human responds. Rhe suggestion was he killed her because he was angry at her. Rhats a blatant misrepresentation of the issues at hand and the physiological and psychological responses to a perceived threat.
Thats your perception. Police are not trained to passively stand by while someone threatens them.with a weapon, whether it be a gun or a car.
They are trained to defend themselves. Rhey are trained to perceive threats and hopefully react quick enough to stop it.
I can't post the video here but there is one recently where an officer was killed by being run over and dragged by a car.
The perceived threat of this officer is a psychological and physiological response to a perceived threat. He had a weapon and is trained to use it to protect himself. Those things all fall into human response. You can claim whatever you like, but you have not been in a situation where you were on a chaotic confrontational position.where you had been dragged by a car and put in the hospital then face a second situation where another person comes at you with a car and hits you with it.
You are making snap judgements on things you were not facing. Thats why the courts have ruled in Graham v Connor against your kind of thinking.
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No, he put his phone in his other hand to draw his weapon as he was circling and coming up on the passenger side for the second time. I think his plan was to order her out the car at gun point. You can see where his hands briefly covers the lens to move it to his non dominant hand. You can also see in the car reflection. If she had charged him like they are claiming, she would have hit him before he had time to draw his weapon or he would have had to drop his phone. He would have had to switch the phone to the other hand, draw his weapon, and then shoot before getting ran over. As it was, he shot her one handed while still maintaining a grip on the phone.
I dont buy he was so terrified he had to shoot while he was able to have presence of mind to hold on to his phone to film the aftermath and insult her. Those words weren't spoken in a panic. He was perfectly calm when he told someone else to call 911 while he had a perfectly good phone in his own hand.
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Thanks Doctor Science. You're really blowing my mind.
Yeah. I don't think he appeared that calm to me. Revenge for being bumped didn't keep him stable as a table.
He was bumped off to the side. He was not getting run over.
I would bet this EXACT scenario has played out dozens of times over the country WITHOUT the ICE agent blasting someone in the face. In fact, I would guarantee it.
Oh yes! Shall we have a discussion on the quality of police training across the united states right now?
Or could we have a look at how incredibly indepth ICE training is and what high calibre individuals they're pulling in now.
They are trained to respond with the appropriate level of intervention. Don't worry. You still got the basics.
with the appropriate level of intervention. You keep neglecting to say that when it's literally the most important part of the entire police power imbalance. Nobody has EVER said police should not respond; they should respond appropriately.
Tragically, that has happenned many times I'm sure. Police work is dangerous.
That is a sign that the training is insufficient. But we all know that has been the case for American law enforcement for ever. I mean, an officer can get fired for impropriety and get hired in another jurisdiction a week later. Let's stop pretending these cops naturally, have appropriate responses. Training and temperment is what increases the chances of appropriate responses.
The vagueness of your argument makes in uncontestable; it's just also too imprecise to address this situation.
Pffft. I worked in a treatment centre. Trust me. You are 100% wrong in what you'er saying. 100% wrong.
No. I was not dragged by a car.
And no.
I would not be such an absolute imbecile that if I had been dragged by a car, that I would put myself ANYWHERE NEAR a situation where that could happen. I wouldn't be ANYWHERE near that stupid. And no he was not FORCED to walk in front of the car; it looked like there were other officers there. NOR frankly, did the situation look at ALL chaotic until he 2 seconds where she moved forward. Even that didn't look overly chaotic in the videos where you see how "hard" he was "hit".
MY "kind of thinking"? My kind of thinking is unrelated to what you mentioned.
I'm saying he was not lethally threatenned and his response was unjustified circumstantially. You just disagree because you've probably never been in dangerous situations before nor would be attuned in how to handle or identify them so anything REMOTELY dangerous, will look like justifiable homicide.
I have.
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What would I have to get?
My goodness your online persona is just a fragile little fellow
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I'm not making any snap judgements. I am not in a position to have an informed opinion about whether that was a legal hit or not. At this point I don't think it even matters. What matters most is the reaction of the administration to it. That woman's blood was hardly dry on the sidewalk before Noem and Vance and Trump were all over the media smearing that woman as an evil domestic terrorist who had attempted to murder an ICE agent, smearing the 'radical left' for causing it. Trump told us that she had actually run over that ICE agent and put him in hospital--all before the "investigation" had even started. That was unacceptable. Whether it was a justified hit or not that kind of response is morally corrupt and that woman's blood is on Noem's hands. It is interesting to notice that later that same day ICE shot a couple of guys in a car in Portland. Of course they're fussing about it in Portland--they fuss about everything in Portland-- but where is the national outcry? The condemnation? Maybe because the men in the car were positively identified as wanted gangsters? Because Trump and his gang didn't need to boast about it, revel in it as a culture war hit to satisfy people like you. With people like that in charge of ICE those agents are no longer just cops trying to their job according to the law, they are a lawless force of culture warriors.
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