Hundreds protest in Minneapolis after ICE officer kills Renee Nicole Macklin Good

GoldenBoy89 · Thursday at 8:58 PM

Landon Caeli said:
That's why I shake uncontrollably if I get pulled over. It's a very dangerous, and scary situation, dealing with law enforcement.

Do NOT mess with them. I'm telling you.

Agreed. These are animals who can’t control themselves. Best to exercise extreme caution and practice deescalation techniques to protect oneself around police.

Landon Caeli said:
.. Those groups who train other people to intentionally bother ICE officials are total fools, and my understanding is that Ms. Good was a part of that.

Exclusive | Renee Nicole Good was Minneapolis ‘ICE Watch’ ‘warrior’ who trained to resist feds before shooting

Good linked up with the anti-ICE activists through her 6-year-old son’s woke charter school, which boasts that it puts “social justice first” and “involving kids in political and social activism,” …

nypost.com

Idk if you noticed but just about everyone is involved in politics these days. Not sure how that warrants anyone’s death.

GoldenBoy89 · Thursday at 9:00 PM

ThatRobGuy said:
Most people are unlikely to get gunned down if they're not actively impeding a law enforcement operation (and then make an apprehension fleeing attempt with a 3,000 pound piece of metal) as well.

Point being?

Calling it a "hit" is hyperbole (acting as if they woke up in the morning looking for an excuse to shoot someone). If she'd been standing on the sidewalk yelling expletives like the rest of the protestors that were there, would she have been shot? Or were her actions the first domino to fall in the pattern of escalation?

The escalation is having squads of armed agents sweep through people’s neighborhoods. That’s bound to bring out opposition and inevitably lead to tragedy like this.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 9:18 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
The escalation is having squads of armed agents sweep through people’s neighborhoods. That’s bound to bring out opposition and inevitably lead to tragedy like this.

So let's just stop enforcing the law and just wait for people to turn themselves in.
Let's do it for all law enforcement so that LEOs don't kill anyone.
If someone resists or runs away just let them go.
We don't want law enforcement hurting anyone

RocksInMyHead · Thursday at 9:25 PM

BPPLEE said:
So let's just stop enforcing the law and just wait for people to turn themselves in.

Right - because that's the only alternative. Be real.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 9:28 PM

RocksInMyHead said:
Right - because that's the only alternative. Be real.

Using absurdity to point out the absurd

RocksInMyHead · Thursday at 9:55 PM

BPPLEE said:
Using absurdity to point out the absurd

Clearly people are not happy about the methods that the administration has chosen to use for enforcement. That's not absurd. It's factual. If you were genuinely interested in resolving the problem, you would look for ways to enforce the law that do not involve federal agents shooting people in the street or conducting military-style raids on people's houses, not make up strawmen about how the alternative is completely stopping enforcement.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 10:02 PM

RocksInMyHead said:
Clearly people are not happy about the methods that the administration has chosen to use for enforcement. That's not absurd. It's factual. If you were genuinely interested in resolving the problem, you would look for ways to enforce the law that do not involve federal agents shooting people in the street or conducting military-style raids on people's houses, not make up strawmen about how the alternative is completely stopping enforcement.

I've already given my alternative.
End all quotas for ICE and CBP, take them out of sanctuary cities, have strict enforcement everywhere else so illegal immigrants have to go to sanctuary cities. They want them there, let them have all of them

Bradskii · Thursday at 10:05 PM

Landon Caeli said:
How am I supposed to know what "normal" is?

Being frightened of people who have literally taken an oath to serve and protect you is not normal. Something is very seriously wrong if you are. I shouldn't have to explain that. It's not wrong 'in comparison' to anywhere else. It's wrong in itself.

But it's clear why you might be and I'll give you that comparison anyway. If that situation in Minneapolis had taken place in Sydney, then at worst the police would have followed her and booked her for undue care or even dangerous driving and she would possibly have been fined and may have lost some points against her licence. What wouldn't have happened is that she would have been shot three times in the face. That's not "normal". A clue to that is that the incident has been front page news around the world.

«Vous êtes des criminels !» : en images, une femme tuée par la police de l’immigration à Minneapolis

La police fédérale de l’immigration (ICE) mène depuis mardi une vaste série d’opérations dans cette grande ville du nord des États-Unis et sa banlieue, dans le cadre d’une vague de mesures répressives en matière d’immigration de l’administration Trump.

www.lefigaro.fr

Kristi Noem doubles down on claim ICE agent killed woman in self-defense

DHS secretary’s claims have been widely disputed with video of shooting showing vehicle turning away from agent

www.theguardian.com

El vídeo del momento en el que un agente del ICE dispara a una mujer en Minneapolis: “¡Sois unos criminales!”

El Departamento de Seguridad Nacional (DHS) ha acusado a la activista de “terrorismo doméstico”

elpais.com

RocksInMyHead · Thursday at 10:07 PM

BPPLEE said:
I've already given my alternative.
End all quotas for ICE and CBP, take them out of sanctuary cities, have strict enforcement everywhere else so illegal immigrants have to go to sanctuary cities. They want them there, let them have all of them

Great - now, care to explain what's so absurd about the post you quoted that required you to make an absurd suggestion to point it out?

GoldenBoy89 · Thursday at 10:15 PM

BPPLEE said:
So let's just stop enforcing the law and just wait for people to turn themselves in.

Nothing about immigration enforcement requires these kinds of high profile sweeps and raids. This is to get a specific response and now we see just where this leads.

BPPLEE said:
Let's do it for all law enforcement so that LEOs don't kill anyone.
If someone resists or runs away just let them go.

It’s better than killing them.

BPPLEE said:
We don't want law enforcement hurting anyone

Do you want them to hurt people?

BPPLEE · Thursday at 10:17 PM

RocksInMyHead said:
Great - now, care to explain what's so absurd about the post you quoted that required you to make an absurd suggestion to point it out?

It's like doing away with tickets because people don't like to get them.

Bradskii · Thursday at 10:19 PM

BPPLEE said:
If someone resists or runs away just let them go.

I guess it's different where you live. Because where I live, if someone is trying to avoid apprehension by the police by driving away and there is a danger that chasing them could lead to a dangerous situation developing, then yes, the police will often call off the chase and look to arrest the person later.

But as we've seen, it appears to be normal to pump a few bullets into the person instead in your neck of the woods.

Please, think this through. It's not just abnormal. It's so very wrong indeed. The bar for what is being considered acceptable is being lowered on a daily basis. At some point, surely, you have to say 'Wait, this is wrong. This is not acceptable'. There are some here who will never say that. Don't be one of them.

RocksInMyHead · Thursday at 10:19 PM

BPPLEE said:
It's like doing away with tickets because people don't like to get them.

What is? Not having squads of armed agents sweeping residential neighborhoods for people who look like illegal immigrants?

ETA: while I'm sure there are people who want to end immigration enforcement entirely, that's not what the post you quoted was saying.

Bradskii · Thursday at 10:21 PM

BPPLEE said:
It's like doing away with tickets because people don't like to get them.

Good grief, man. There is a subtle difference between getting a ticket and being shot in the face!

durangodawood · Thursday at 10:24 PM

Bradskii said:
.....At some point, surely, you have to say 'Wait, this is wrong. This is not acceptable'. There are some here who will never say that. Don't be one of them.

I think many people will never say that. They are so personally invested in the political commitment that they will follow it anywhere rather than confront a crisis of identity.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 10:28 PM

Bradskii said:
I guess it's different where you live. Because where I live, if someone is trying to avoid apprehension by the police by driving away and there is a danger that chasing them could lead to a dangerous situation developing, then yes, the police will often call off the chase and look to arrest the person later.

But as we've seen, it appears to be normal to pump a few bullets into the person instead in your neck of the woods.

Please, think this through. It's not just abnormal. It's so very wrong indeed. The bar for what is being considered acceptable is being lowered on a daily basis. At some point, surely, you have to say 'Wait, this is wrong. This is not acceptable'. There are some here who will never say that. Don't be one of them.

Obviously there are times when high speed chases are called off for safety reasons

BPPLEE · Thursday at 10:34 PM

durangodawood said:
I think many people will never say that. They are so personally invested in the political commitment that they will follow it anywhere rather than confront a crisis of identity.

I never said the ICE agent was justified in shooting the woman. I said a grainy video and another one where you can’t clearly see the agent who fired are not enough to make that judgement. Someone keeps saying he shot into the driver’s side window. You can’t tell that from the video. If he did, that is not justified and it’s a bad shooting

Bradskii · Thursday at 10:34 PM

durangodawood said:
I think many people will never say that. They are so personally invested in the political commitment that they will follow it anywhere rather than confront a crisis of identity.

I don't get this! I literally don't know anyone like this. However rusted onto a political party someone is there is always, and I mean always some policy or some decision with which they will disagree. It would show a complete lack of character as far as I'm concerned. I never ever thought it could possibly get this bad. But I'm being forced to realise that it has. And is getting worse, not on a weekly basis. Not even on a daily basis. But it's now getting worse on an hourly basis. The news cycle just can't keep up.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 10:38 PM

Bradskii said:
I don't get this! I literally don't know anyone like this. However rusted onto a political party someone is there is always, and I mean always some policy or some decision with which they will disagree. It would show a complete lack of character as far as I'm concerned. I never ever thought it could possibly get this bad. But I'm being forced to realise that it has. And is getting worse, not on a weekly basis. Not even on a daily basis. But it's now getting worse on an hourly basis. The news cycle just can't keep up.

See post #57

Bradskii · Thursday at 10:39 PM

BPPLEE said:
Obviously there are times when high speed chases are called off for safety reasons

And obviously there are times when a loaded gun should be kept holstered for safety reasons. Because someone may get shot in the head! And you will never believe how hard it was for me to keep that expletive free and just post it in italic.

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