Two people shot by Fed agents in Portland

Richard T · Thursday at 6:54 PM

Man, woman shot by federal agents in Portland: Police

Two people were shot by federal agents in Portland, Oregon, on Thursday, local and federal sources told ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

PloverWing · Thursday at 8:41 PM

Sigh, not another one...

Tuur · Friday at 5:43 AM

Here's an interesting test: When you see a story about the incident, look for the words "Tren de Aragua." To my surprise, the ABC article reports that the ones shot were "allegedly" Tren de Aragua. See how many "news" stories carry that part.

Richard T · Friday at 6:42 AM

Glad you could point that out. It is sad that all media is often political in the way they report.

stevevw · Friday at 10:57 AM

What is going on with these people trying to run down federal agents and law enforcement. Normal everday people suddenly becoming radical. Don't they realise that this is exactly copying the mentality of Islamist radicals who use cars and trucks to run down people who disagree with them.

Have people gone insane. This is clearly ideological overreach. Fueled by a deranged rhetoric that promotes radicalism and violence. Which is now being enacted on the streets by everyday people who have literally become radicalised themselves.

If you listen to some of the protestors they are literally saying they will find the agents and murder them. This is crazy. When are some of these people going to be arrested for inciting violence and making death threats.

Laodicean60 · Friday at 11:22 AM

Richard T said:
Glad you could point that out. It is sad that all media is often political in the way they report.

Without your comment I thought this thread was another, bad ICE, thread.

PloverWing · Friday at 11:38 AM

stevevw said:
What is going on with these people trying to run down federal agents and law enforcement.

This business of sending federal troops into American cities over the objections of the city mayors and state governors is not something we normally see in the US, and lots of people are scared. Technically, ICE is law enforcement, not military, but the line seems to be blurry at the moment; ICE is perhaps something in between the two. ICE and the population are afraid of each other, and people do unwise things when they're afraid.

Nobody should be running people over in their cars. Also, a police officer doesn't get to shoot a civilian just because the civilian is sitting in a car.

Exactly what happened in Minneapolis and Portland needs to be investigated, as with any violent death, and I'll reserve judgment until the justice departments of Minnesota and Oregon have completed their investigations.

stevevw · Friday at 5:38 PM

PloverWing said:
This business of sending federal troops into American cities over the objections of the city mayors and state governors is not something we normally see in the US, and lots of people are scared. Technically, ICE is law enforcement, not military, but the line seems to be blurry at the moment; ICE is perhaps something in between the two. ICE and the population are afraid of each other, and people do unwise things when they're afraid.

Afraid or radicalised.

PloverWing said:
Nobody should be running people over in their cars. Also, a police officer doesn't get to shoot a civilian just because the civilian is sitting in a car.

But this is not just sitting in a car. This is weaponsing a vehicle to attack law enforcement.

PloverWing said:
Exactly what happened in Minneapolis and Portland needs to be investigated, as with any violent death, and I'll reserve judgment until the justice departments of Minnesota and Oregon have completed their investigations.

Yes but the problem is that many are not reserving judgement and spreading false narratives or at least unsupported claims even before any investigation. They automatically spread lies that it was murder and continue to push the same narrative that got these people killed.

Some dem leaders are virtually saying resist and attack officers to stop them. Demonising law enforcement and setting up the situation that stirs radicals up to then go and do stupid things.

But this rhetoric has been pushed for a long time by some radicalised dems and this is what is fueling all these assassination attempts, a spike in death threats to law enforcement and politicians or even conservative commentators.

Tuur · Friday at 7:12 PM

PloverWing said:
This business of sending federal troops into American cities over the objections of the city mayors and state governors is not something we normally see in the US, and lots of people are scared. Technically, ICE is law enforcement, not military, but the line seems to be blurry at the moment; ICE is perhaps something in between the two. ICE and the population are afraid of each other, and people do unwise things when they're afraid.

Nobody should be running people over in their cars. Also, a police officer doesn't get to shoot a civilian just because the civilian is sitting in a car.

Exactly what happened in Minneapolis and Portland needs to be investigated, as with any violent death, and I'll reserve judgment until the justice departments of Minnesota and Oregon have completed their investigations.

Justice departments of Minnesota and Oregon? I won't hold my breath, but then again, I was surprised that ABC News reported on the gang affiliation. I supposed it could happen.

FWIW, any shooting involving local and state law enforcement, it's usually the state bureau of investigation that looks into it.

PloverWing · 2026-01-10T00:54:57-0600

stevevw said:
But this is not just sitting in a car. This is weaponsing a vehicle to attack law enforcement.

That is what the investigations will need to determine. Was the victim trying to attack the officer, or was she trying to escape, or was she just trying to move her car? Is there any way the officer could have de-escalated the situation? Could the officer have let her drive away, and then found her later by tracing the license plate? All this needs to be considered carefully, after looking at the available videos and talking to witnesses.

I'm currently distrustful of a federal-level investigation, after hearing statements from VP Vance and Secretary Noem who seem to have made up their minds before the inquiry has even begun. I'm more interested in seeing what the state-level investigations in Minnesota and Oregon find.

In the last couple of years, I have indeed heard of situations where someone drove their car into a crowd with the intent to kill people. I have also heard of situations in which a police officer shot a motorist during an ordinary traffic stop. I don't yet know which of these two kinds of situations we're looking at, in Minneapolis and Portland.

stevevw · 2026-01-10T01:46:44-0600

PloverWing said:
That is what the investigations will need to determine. Was the victim trying to attack the officer, or was she trying to escape, or was she just trying to move her car? Is there any way the officer could have de-escalated the situation? Could the officer have let her drive away, and then found her later by tracing the license plate? All this needs to be considered carefully, after looking at the available videos and talking to witnesses.

I'm currently distrustful of a federal-level investigation, after hearing statements from VP Vance and Secretary Noem who seem to have made up their minds before the inquiry has even begun. I'm more interested in seeing what the state-level investigations in Minnesota and Oregon find.

In the last couple of years, I have indeed heard of situations where someone drove their car into a crowd with the intent to kill people. I have also heard of situations in which a police officer shot a motorist during an ordinary traffic stop. I don't yet know which of these two kinds of situations we're looking at, in Minneapolis and Portland.

I agree, only time will tell. But its actually the majority of Dems who are claiming the agent unlawfully killed the women. They are claiming the agent was not hit, and reporting inaccurate images that mirepresent the facts. There is an actual campaign by the dems to purposely promote a false narrative.

stevevw · 2026-01-10T02:27:20-0600

Evidently the women shot in Minneapolis was a member of a local ICE Watch an activist group which tells its members to block law enforcement and even put their bodies in front of agents to stop them, Virtually telling people to interfer and stop ICE agents.

Renee Nicole Good was Minneapolis ‘ICE Watch’ ‘warrior’ who trained to resist feds before shooting

Exclusive | Renee Nicole Good was Minneapolis ‘ICE Watch’ ‘warrior’ who trained to resist feds before shooting

Good linked up with the anti-ICE activists through her 6-year-old son’s woke charter school, which boasts that it puts “social justice first” and “involving kids in political and social activism,” …

nypost.com

SJP51 · 2026-01-10T05:29:49-0600

Richard T said:
Glad you could point that out. It is sad that all media is often political in the way they report.

So true! One can a story from multiple news sources about the same event and get4 or 5 different interpretations. Which is the problem. All the "news" should offer is the facts, not their bias or interpretation.

JimR-OCDS · 2026-01-10T07:27:59-0600

It was reported this morning on the local Boston news that the two people who were shot in Portland, were
indeed, members of a Venezuelan gang who came into the US illegally.

Richard T · 2026-01-10T08:02:46-0600

Laodicean60 said:
Without your comment I thought this thread was another, bad ICE, thread.

I thought maybe too. Im glad i did not comment. Too bad we all rush to judgment. I think theres some passages in proverns aboutbthe wise keep silent.

Laodicean60 · 2026-01-10T11:43:11-0600

Richard T said:
I thought maybe too. Im glad i did not comment. Too bad we all rush to judgment. I think theres some passages in proverns aboutbthe wise keep silent.

Money must be good because I'd be sick and tired waking up for work facing hate speech and sometimes physical assault all because someone couldn't control her emotions in Minnesota and criminals in Portland.

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