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...which, as others have already noted, is not extradition.
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Breaking: Venezuela attacked by U.S. Update: Maduro and wife captured.
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...which, as others have already noted, is not extradition.
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We arrested their (de facto) leader because of the charges pending, and he was “doing business with the wrong people”?
What choice did we have, really?
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I think that was on August 15, 1918, when the first US troops disembarked at Vladivostok. At least, I think that was when the first arrived. Stayed in the USSR to 1920, I think.
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It is ironic that Trump ( a legit felon) claims legal and moral superiority. And can still say things like, “No one is above the law.”
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Huh? Follow the convo please. Here is the initial post and my reply that you quoted. Both China and Russia would have no problems at all attacking another country but they did not have to attack Venezuela because Maduro and them were buddies.
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No, because their leader was a socialist who was willing to play ball with them to help them strengthen their own position against us.
China gave them nearly $60 billion in oil-backed loans.
Russia gave them nearly $20 billion in loans, $4 billion of which, they used to buy Russian arms, in exchange for Russia being allowed to build military training facilities there and do "temporary rotational deployments" (which was just a thinly veiled way to skirt the Venezuela constitutional provisions prohibiting foreign military bases on their soil)
Russia setting up shop in the host country of a Latin American socialist dictatorship was enough to get JFK to take notice and attempt to take action. Had JFK had the more modern military "toys" we have today, the Bay of Pigs Invasion may have succeeded.
Although it should be noted that one of the reasons it failed was because of them getting tipped off due to "leaked intelligence", which would answer the questions others were asking about why the administration kept this one close to the vest until after the job was done.
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ANNUAL THREAT ASSESSMENT OF THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY (March 2025)
Foreign Illicit Drug Actors
Western Hemisphere-based TCOs (transnational terrorist organizations) and terrorists involved in illicit drug production and trafficking bound for the United States endanger the health and safety of millions of Americans and contribute to regional instability. Fentanyl and other synthetic opioids remain the most lethal drugs trafficked into the United States, causing more than 52,000 U.S. deaths in a 12-month period ending in October 2024. This represents a nearly 33 percent decrease in synthetic opioid-related overdose deaths compared to the same reporting time frame the previous year, according to CDC provisional data, and may be because of the availability and accessibility of naloxone.
Mexico-based TCOs—including the Sinaloa Cartel and the New Generation Jalisco Cartel—remain the dominant producers and suppliers of illicit drugs, including fentanyl, heroin, methamphetamine, and South American-sourced cocaine, for the U.S. market. Last year, official points of entry along the U.S.-Mexico border were the main entry point for illicit drugs, often concealed in passenger vehicles and tractor trailers. However, some TCOs likely will at least temporarily change their smuggling techniques and routes in response to increased U.S. security force presence at the border.
Since at least 2020, the growth of Mexico-based independent fentanyl producers—actors who are autonomous or semiautonomous from Mexican cartel control—has increasingly fragmented Mexico’s fentanyl trade. Independent fentanyl producers are attracted to the drug’s profitability and the low barriers to market entry, including the ease of synthesizing it using basic lab equipment and few personnel. •
Colombia-based TCOs and illegal armed groups are responsible for producing and exporting the vast majority of cocaine that reaches the United States, some of which is transshipped through Ecuador, contributing to an uptick in violent criminal conflicts that spurs regional migration.
Mexico-based TCOs are ramping up lethal attacks in Mexico against rivals and Mexican security forces using IEDs, including landmines, mortars, and grenades. In 2024, there were nearly 1,600 attacks on Mexican security forces using IEDs, surging from only three reported attacks between 2020- 2021. The sophistication of TCO tactics is reshaping Mexico’s security landscape and has heightened the risk to security forces.
China remains the primary source country for illicit fentanyl precursor chemicals and pill pressing equipment, followed by India. Mexico-based chemical brokers circumvent international controls through mislabeled shipments and the purchase of unregulated dual-use chemicals.
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1) The 2025 edition of the "Annual Threat Assessment of the US Intelligence Community" makes mention of Mexico Columbia and China as the bases for the Transnational Criminal Organizations that are directly responsible for providing the supply of illegal drugs to the US - Venezuela is not mentioned!
2) The "turf wars" among Mexico's 6 largest cartels as they compete for a larger share of a share of the US market for illegal drugs has resulted in over 30,000 deaths a year since 2018!
3) The 2025 National Drug Threat Assessment from the US Drug Enforcement Administration has come to the same conclusion!
4) The Venezuelan cartels have avoided coming into direct competition with their more powerful Mexican counterparts - they have focused on smuggling illegals across the US=Mexico border, acting as drug couriers delivering drugs within America and engaging directly in "street sales!
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Yeah nation building like Iraq or Afghanistan, gas to be over. No more spilling of American blood or costing us billions of dollars. We tell them what we want, we work out the deals or we take out the next batch of leaders and do it again.
We want cooperation and want our share of the resources that we were supposed to get.
We don't need to build the nation.
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Absolutely. This was an operation and there was a short firefight. In those firefights there is always a chance civilians were killed. We don't even know if the official is telling the truth nor do we know who killed the civilians or the circumstances.
We actually saved a LOT of lives. Maduro was an evil dictator who was involved in killing a lot of his own people. And many other Venezuelans were also saved from his actions that would.have caused their deaths.
And think of the numbers of lives that were freed from his terror.
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American companies built a lot of oil infrastructure in Venezuela which included pulling oil. Venezuela stole all that property. We are going to take it back I hope. This is our hemisphere and Venezuela was dealing with Russia and China including weapons and some facilities. Something we do not want in our neck of the woods. There were many reasons to get rid of Maduro. Let's hope the next one in line is more accomodating and less likely to be a problem. Otherwise they may find themselves being removed.
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Right date, wrong country. It was in (Soviet/Communist) Russia. The USSR didn't form until 1922 after Red Russia won the civil war and reconquered the former imperial Russian territories that broke away when the revolution started.
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On Polymarket, a popular site for making bets on the outcome of real world events, a user wagered $32,000 that Maduro would be toppled by the end of January hours before Trump ordered the operation. When it was clear the U.S. had captured Maduro, the trader made more than $400,000 in profit.
Is that you Pete?
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