OU Student given a zero for citing the bible in essay

ThatRobGuy · Dec 30, 2025

BCP1928 said:
It's sure to create depression and anxiety if you are failing to live up to your parent's expectations and are bullied for it at school as well.

At least you are beginning to acknowledge that gender atypicality exists. Remember that even a sociology TA who happens to be trans has other things on his agenda besides the LGBT conspiracy.

A) I think we can stop calling it a "conspiracy" for things that have already happened in the last 3 years.

True of False:
People advocated for things like gender affirming care for minors, and used the fact that gender atypicality exists and "gender is just a stereotype" and "it'll make them happier if society just goes along with it and supports them in any decision they want to make" as the basis of their position?

If the answer to that question is "yes", then we can stop calling it a conspiracy. By that standard, it'd be like saying, sarcastically, "The MAGA conspiracy to deport a bunch of non-white immigrants" (as to downplay the concerns). We can stop calling things a slippery slope once the sled is already at the bottom of the hill.

B) There's lots of atypical aspects about people, some make sense to accommodate, others don't.

ThatRobGuy · Dec 30, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
You are arguing with a paper of your own imagination. This is not connected to the reality of the paper in the assignment. It really makes me doubt the sincerity or connection to reality of the cultural conservative movement.

A) I'm not all that conservative

B) As I noted, the concern is what papers like that are a precursor to and what they may be hijacked for.

If a conservative researcher put out a perfectly respectable paper studying "Religious freedom", and all of the more simplistic non-controversial concepts associated with it...

Would you trust it?
Or would you have some concerns that once there was public buy-in on the benign version, they'll semantically overload "religious freedom" to mean "I want to use discriminatory practices against gay people using my religion as a justification"? (as they've done numerous times)

Like I said, had the last 10 years never happened, a social study of "boys who like to play with a doll house and girls who like to play with trucks, and how they're treated by their peers" would likely not be controversial at all.

BCP1928 · Dec 30, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
A) I'm not all that conservative

You are certainly taking a conservative line on this issue, conspiracy theories and all.

ThatRobGuy said:
B) As I noted, the concern is what papers like that are a precursor to and what they may be hijacked for.

If a conservative researcher put out a perfectly respectable paper studying "Religious freedom", and all of the more simplistic non-controversial concepts associated with it...

Would you trust it?
Or would you have some concerns that once there was public buy-in on the benign version, they'll semantically overload "religious freedom" to mean "I want to use discriminatory practices against gay people using my religion as a justification"? (as they've done numerous times)

Like I said, had the last 10 years never happened, a social study of "boys who like to play with a doll house and girls who like to play with trucks, and how they're treated by their peers" would likely not be controversial at all.

It's not a question whether there is controversy, it's whether or not university students should be protected from facts about the controversy. It's a fact that gender atypical kids exist and a university student should be able to deal with that in a rational and coherent fashion.

ThatRobGuy · Dec 30, 2025

BCP1928 said:
You are certainly taking a conservative line on this issue, conspiracy theories and all.

Again, not a conspiracy theory if it's already happened.

BCP1928 said:
It's not a question whether there is controversy, it's whether or not university students should be protected from facts about the controversy. It's a fact that gender atypical kids exist and a university student should be able to deal with that in a rational and coherent fashion.

What happens when selectively chosen facts are used (without including important bits of outside context) as a metaphorical bludgeon against the ideological rivals?

For instance... A person could make a perfectly 100% factual statement (supported by rock solid stats and data) about "crime rates by race" that many in the campus environment would not enjoy.

If those statements ignored those important bits of outside context, people would understandably be standoffish (and likely even offended).

Would "should students be insulated from facts?!?" be considered a substantive rebuttal to the concerns?

"All I did is present real data, a university student should be able to deal with it in a rational fashion"

Hans Blaster · Dec 30, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
A) I'm not all that conservative

You do put in an awful lot of effort covering for some very "conservative" opinions and positions. Maybe someone could do a psychology study on people who claim not to be conservative, but work very hard not to be mistaken for holding a "liberal" position.

ThatRobGuy said:
B) As I noted, the concern is what papers like that are a precursor to and what they may be hijacked for.

It is science. It's purpose is to learn thiings about reality. In this case, the psychology and behaviors surrounding popularity, teasing, and gender perception. If it is put to use it should be for improving the lives of adolescents.

Speaking of hijcking, a paper on the teasing of tomboys and non-athletic boys, etc. is being hijacked to push a hollow 'Christian persecution" narrative in a very Christian state and the specific torment of one trans person.

ThatRobGuy said:
If a conservative researcher put out a perfectly respectable paper studying "Religious freedom", and all of the more simplistic non-controversial concepts associated with it...

Would you trust it?
Or would you have some concerns that once there was public buy-in on the benign version, they'll semantically overload "religious freedom" to mean "I want to use discriminatory practices against gay people using my religion as a justification"? (as they've done numerous times)

Religious freedom is not a subject for psychology so it would not be used in a psychology class. It isn't a scientific topic at all. I'm not interested in your hypotheticals either.

ThatRobGuy said:
Like I said, had the last 10 years never happened, a social study of "boys who like to play with a doll house and girls who like to play with trucks, and how they're treated by their peers" would likely not be controversial at all.

The "last 10 years" don't change the findings of the study.

BCP1928 · Dec 30, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
Again, not a conspiracy theory if it's already happened.

What conspiracy?

ThatRobGuy said:
What happens when selectively chosen facts are used (without including important bits of outside context) as a metaphorical bludgeon against the ideological rivals?

For instance... A person could make a perfectly 100% factual statement (supported by rock solid stats and data) about "crime rates by race" that many in the campus environment would not enjoy.

If those statements ignored those important bits of outside context, people would understandably be standoffish (and likely even offended).

Would "should students be insulated from facts?!?" be considered a substantive rebuttal to the concerns?

"All I did is present real data, a university student should be able to deal with it in a rational fashion"

Evidently you feel quite strongly about this. But I don't know why. You seem to feel that a even a discussion of gender typicality without reference to LGBT represents some kind of grooming. But you're going to have to tell us what, exactly, you are afraid of. Your analogies aren't helping.

essentialsaltes · Jan 3, 2026

Samantha Fulnecky, the University of Oklahoma student who received a zero on a psychology essay about gender after using the Bible as her only source, was honored by [one member of] the Oklahoma House of Representatives with a special "Citation of Recognition" this week

[State Rep Gabe Woolley]

"Today, we had the honor of presenting Samantha with a Citation of Recognition from the Oklahoma House of Representatives, District 98, for her steadfast convictions, her commitment to speaking from a foundation of truth, and her courage in shining a light on serious concerns within Oklahoma’s higher education system."

"In a moment when social media and traditional media are flooded with misinformation, this story has drifted far from what actually occurred.

Ya got that right. He's making it out to be a Profile in Courage, when it's a Failure to Respond to the Essay Prompt.

Hans Blaster · Jan 3, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
Samantha Fulnecky, the University of Oklahoma student who received a zero on a psychology essay about gender after using the Bible as her only source, was honored by [one member of] the Oklahoma House of Representatives with a special "Citation of Recognition" this week

[State Rep Gabe Woolley]

Ya got that right. He's making it out to be a Profile in Courage, when it's a Failure to Respond to the Essay Prompt.

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Well...

... at least with her new career as a culture war grifter we won't have to worry about her getting a medical license.

Stopped_lurking · Jan 3, 2026

ThatRobGuy said:
As I replied to the other user

I suspect that "some boys like to play with a doll house, and some girls like to play with trucks" wouldn't be a hot topic absent the social catalysts that have become ubiquitous over the past 5-10 years.

If that fact wasn't leveraged as a segue into much more sweeping radical shifts, I suspect this may not be much of an issue.

Concession to the premise has often been the precursor to much more radical proposals.

It seems you have conjured up this "concession to the premise" all by yourself. The grading instructions (that you posted, I think) shows no such thing.

ThatRobGuy said:
It's the same reason why a more progressive person may bristle at someone with an established conservative bias saying "secure borders".

It's not because they inherently reject "secure borders" by the strict definition of the words. It's more of a "oh boy, we've seen this routine before, if I concede to their premise, then they'll just use it against me when I argue against the much more extreme things they actually want to do"

How is this relevant for a student paper? In written form I would expect the author to just clarify what they mean.

ThatRobGuy said:
"We need to rethink the gender norms" has almost always been the lead-in to other facets of modern gender ideology.

They could have done the assignment and ended it with a paragraph or sentence that it is important not to extrapolate the findings to other aspects of gender.

RileyG · Jan 3, 2026

She got the TA fired. I hope she’s proud of her actions? Ehhhh.,,.

Belk · Jan 3, 2026

RileyG said:
She got the TA fired. I hope she’s proud of her actions? Ehhhh.,,.

Have you seen who her mother is? The fruit does not fall far from the tree.

RileyG · Jan 3, 2026

Belk said:
Have you seen who her mother is? The fruit does not fall far from the tree.

After skimming an article about her mother, I have no words.

YIKES!

ThatRobGuy · Jan 4, 2026

Stopped_lurking said:
How is this relevant for a student paper? In written form I would expect the author to just clarify what they mean.

Because it delves into the nature of human behavior (ironically, the kind of psychology that apropos to the class in question, but that aside)

If one recognizes that these types of strategies are what's used to ultimately try to pressure people into accepting much more sweeping premises,, then it becomes much more clear.

And this approach has been quite pronounced in realm of academia over the past decade or two.

This is no coincidence:

BCP1928 · Jan 4, 2026

ThatRobGuy said:
Because it delves into the nature of human behavior (ironically, the kind of psychology that apropos to the class in question, but that aside)

If one recognizes that these types of strategies are what's used to ultimately try to pressure people into accepting much more sweeping premises,, then it becomes much more clear.

And this approach has been quite pronounced in realm of academia over the past decade or two.

This is no coincidence:
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Great news. Back in my day I had to go to an RC college to become more liberal.

Stopped_lurking · Jan 4, 2026

ThatRobGuy said:
Because it delves into the nature of human behavior (ironically, the kind of psychology that apropos to the class in question, but that aside)

If one recognizes that these types of strategies are what's used to ultimately try to pressure people into accepting much more sweeping premises,, then it becomes much more clear.

And this approach has been quite pronounced in realm of academia over the past decade or two.

This is no coincidence:
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That particular assignment went out of its way not to create a "concession to the premise", by the text you posted. If one would like to take a negative stance in relation to the article they could have formulated it under the proposed point 1, 5 or 6 (contrary to your earlier assertion they were not expected to discuss all or even any of the points given as examples) or otherwise show that they have critically studied the paper.

Hans Blaster · Jan 4, 2026

ThatRobGuy said:
Because it delves into the nature of human behavior (ironically, the kind of psychology that apropos to the class in question, but that aside)

If one recognizes that these types of strategies are what's used to ultimately try to pressure people into accepting much more sweeping premises,, then it becomes much more clear.

And this approach has been quite pronounced in realm of academia over the past decade or two.

This is no coincidence:
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Did you get a whole semi-trailer of straw like the ones at the big box stores selling garden supplies? You never seem to run out. Please quit concocting things that were never in the original event in question.

ThatRobGuy · Jan 4, 2026

Hans Blaster said:
Did you get a whole semi-trailer of straw like the ones at the big box stores selling garden supplies? You never seem to run out. Please quit concocting things that were never in the original event in question.

Ah, you know what.... I just realized...

I was thinking over the past 10 years we'd had a massive explosion of people saying boys could become girls, thinking that socialism is a good system, thinking that borders are racist, and saying we need to get rid of the institution of policing, that were all built upon much tamer initial talking points that sounded innocent enough a few years prior.

Phew, sounds like it was just a dream. You wouldn't believe how crazy that dream was. I actually dreamt that we had LGBT activists out in the streets cheering on Islamic republics...it was wild! I guess I need to quit eating spicy stuff before bed.

Hans Blaster · Jan 4, 2026

ThatRobGuy said:
Ah, you know what.... I just realized...

I was thinking over the past 10 years we'd had a massive explosion of people saying boys could become girls, thinking that socialism is a good system, thinking that borders are racist, and saying we need to get rid of the institution of policing, that were all built upon much tamer initial talking points that sounded innocent enough a few years prior.

Phew, sounds like it was just a dream. You wouldn't believe how crazy that dream was. I actually dreamt that we had LGBT activists out in the streets cheering on Islamic republics...it was wild! I guess I need to quit eating spicy stuff before bed.

You are inventing narratives for this class the same way that Samantha Fulnecky has? Perhaps your problem is just a bit of undigested beef.

Landon Caeli · Jan 4, 2026

Hans Blaster said:
You are inventing narratives for this class the same way that Samantha Fulnecky has? Perhaps your problem is just a bit of undigested beef.

Rob's been a part of this forum for 20 years..! I don't imagine him being a student of any kind of class.

BCP1928 · Jan 5, 2026

ThatRobGuy said:
A) I think we can stop calling it a "conspiracy" for things that have already happened in the last 3 years.

True of False:
People advocated for things like gender affirming care for minors, and used the fact that gender atypicality exists and "gender is just a stereotype" and "it'll make them happier if society just goes along with it and supports them in any decision they want to make" as the basis of their position?

If the answer to that question is "yes", then we can stop calling it a conspiracy. By that standard, it'd be like saying, sarcastically, "The MAGA conspiracy to deport a bunch of non-white immigrants" (as to downplay the concerns). We can stop calling things a slippery slope once the sled is already at the bottom of the hill.

B) There's lots of atypical aspects about people, some make sense to accommodate, others don't.

On what basis do you propose we decide which is which?

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