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Trump’s Deputies Freeze Child Care Payments to Minnesota amid Alleged Somali Fraud

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Don't bother to double down. A lie is still a lie.
I didn't lie. I asked this question:

So your defense of the Somalis is that they are not smart enough to pull this off without white people in charge?
 
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I didn't lie. I asked this question:

So your defense of the Somalis is that they are not smart enough to pull this off without white people in charge?
So you are creating a straw man? OK.
 
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So you are creating a straw man? OK.
I didn't create anything. I asked if she thought the Somalis weren't smart enough to commit fraud on their own.
DD said she meant that Somalis were too honest to commit fraud.
Both throw white people under the bus
 
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I didn't create anything. I asked if she thought the Somalis weren't smart enough to commit fraud on their own.
The same question that always gets asked when somebody points out that there was a white person involved with people of color, for good or ill.

DD said she meant that Somalis were too honest to commit fraud.
Both throw white people under the bus
Considering how they have been acting lately, it's a good place for them.
 
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The same question that always gets asked when somebody points out that there was a white person involved with people of color, for good or ill.


Considering how they have been acting lately, it's a good place for them.
Is there anything you would hold the immigrants responsible for?
Are they merely pawns for the white masterminds to take advantage of?
 
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Is there anything you would hold the immigrants responsible for?
Are they merely pawns for the white masterminds to take advantage of?
I only hold them responsible for the things they actually do. I think that it is well established that all of the parties to this discussion, you, me and everybody else, believe that those actually involved in the fraud should face justice for it, regardless of whether they are a race or religion that MAGA hates.
 
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I only hold them responsible for the things they actually do. I think that it is well established that all of the parties to this discussion, you, me and everybody else, believe that those actually involved in the fraud should face justice for it, regardless of whether they are a race or religion that MAGA hates.
Or belong to a group that you and your fellow posters hate, like white people (masterminds)
 
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Or belong to a group that you and your fellow posters hate, like white people (masterminds)
Don't worry --the white people who think being white is an important thing about them are definitely not masterminds.
 
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Don't worry --the white people who think being white is an important thing about them are definitely not masterminds.
Neither are the people who think being immigrants excuses their criminal behavior
 
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When looking at all the fraud its obvious rhe Somalis are involved just as much as any original white person. There is no way we can say a white person master minded ALL of this. Somalis are juat as involved. What we know about how tight knit these communities are and how fast information spreads they all would know how to do this in short order. And as a certain poster pointed out it doesn't matter who you are. The fact is they are coming from a crime ridden country and have the morals and values of that country. Thats the problem when you take in people from those areas.

We have been complaining all year about waste fraud and abuse of these systems. We have enough Americans pulling this crap, we don't need to import more from other places. As we have seen there have been massive increases in spending in these programs. Its time to put a stop to it and get it under control.
 
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I didn't lie. I asked this question:

So your defense of the Somalis is that they are not smart enough to pull this off without white people in charge?
That's begging the question, i.e. assuming the answer in the question. @Maria Billingsley did not say or imply that the Somalis were not smart enough to pull it off, but that in a particular case, the mastermind was a white woman, namely Aimee Bock. Do you think the DOJ is saying that Somalis aren't smart enough in their press release?

Federal Jury Finds Feeding Our Future Mastermind and Co-Defendant Guilty in $250 Million Pandemic Fraud Scheme​
 
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When looking at all the fraud its obvious rhe Somalis are involved just as much as any original white person. There is no way we can say a white person master minded ALL of this. Somalis are juat as involved. What we know about how tight knit these communities are and how fast information spreads they all would know how to do this in short order. And as a certain poster pointed out it doesn't matter who you are. The fact is they are coming from a crime ridden country and have the morals and values of that country. Thats the problem when you take in people from those areas.

We have been complaining all year about waste fraud and abuse of these systems. We have enough Americans pulling this crap, we don't need to import more from other places. As we have seen there have been massive increases in spending in these programs. Its time to put a stop to it and get it under control.
I mean... looking around the world and comparing, The US seems like a pretty crime ridden country. How would you like to be suspected of being a fraudster and crook everywhere you go just because you come from a country, headed by a convicted fraud and with an out of control crime and violence problem?
 
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At least one of them did:
True. I don't get why some strange man. Would be allowed to enter daycare, where there are kids at. I know in California, they don't allow that to happen. So they can protect kids.
 
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That's begging the question, i.e. assuming the answer in the question. @Maria Billingsley did not say or imply that the Somalis were not smart enough to pull it off, but that in a particular case, the mastermind was a white woman, namely Aimee Bock. Do you think the DOJ is saying that Somalis aren't smart enough in their press release?

Federal Jury Finds Feeding Our Future Mastermind and Co-Defendant Guilty in $250 Million Pandemic Fraud Scheme​
No, but saying that she is sure more white masterminds will be involved doesn't help your case
 
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No, but saying that she is sure more white masterminds will be involved doesn't help your case
It doesn't help your insisting that she implied Somalis are stupid either. Being as she has outright said that was not her intention does.
 
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It doesn't help your insisting that she implied Somalis are stupid either. Being as she has outright said that was not her intention does.
I don’t think she meant to but in her rush to blame white people that’s what she did
 
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I don’t think she meant to but in her rush to blame white people that’s what she did
No, she did not. Saying someone is a "mastermind" in no way implies all other participants are stupid.
 
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