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Trump’s Deputies Freeze Child Care Payments to Minnesota amid Alleged Somali Fraud

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No, it's her implication that white people had to be the masterminds behind the fraud.
I think all races are quite capable of criminal activity
It’s MB’s implication; it is your inference.
 
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At least one of them did:
Wow! At least one of them did? Good to hear that with almost 10 billion on fraud, one child actually benefited.
 
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Wow! At least one of them did? Good to hear that with almost 10 billion on fraud, one child actually benefited.
They didn't consider that you can have 12 kids present but if you're claiming 40 it's still fraud
 
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They didn't consider that you can have 12 kids present but if you're claiming 40 it's still fraud
That wasn't the claim. Supposedly, there was "no one there." Clearly, that was a lie. And if Jack Shirley lied about one place, who's to say he wasn't lying about all the others?
 
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That wasn't the claim. Supposedly, there was "no one there." Clearly, that was a lie. And if Jack Shirley lied about one place, who's to say he wasn't lying about all the others?
I'm saying that their investigative reporting was not very thorough.
CNN actually called daycares and asked if they were frauds.
NBC went somewhere where there were a few kids present and they were satisfied.
 
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I'm saying that their investigative reporting was not very thorough.
CNN actually called daycares and asked if they were frauds.
NBC went somewhere where there were a few kids present and they were satisfied.
Considering it's been, what, a day? I think they're doing fine. Actual investigative journalism takes time to conduct properly. Obviously, if they called it here and declared "case closed," that would be insufficient, but the point of this article was cutting off the incendiary claims made by Jack Shirley before they continued to spread. It's the old adage - a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its slippers. They did what they could in the time that they had to fact-check his claims.

Per the article I linked, the local CBS station checked 12 facilities on Shirley's list. All but two had active licenses, and all licensed facilities had been visited by state regulators in the past six months - one as recently as a few weeks ago.
 
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Considering it's been, what, a day? I think they're doing fine. Actual investigative journalism takes time to conduct properly. Obviously, if they called it here and declared "case closed," that would be insufficient, but the point of this article was cutting off the incendiary claims made by Jack Shirley before they continued to spread. They did what they could in the time that they had to fact-check his claims.

Per the article I linked, the local CBS station checked 12 facilities on Shirley's list. All but two had active licenses, and all licensed facilities had been visited by state regulators in the past six months - one as recently as a few weeks ago.
Yes, the point was to negate Shirley's claims, not to find the truth. Having a license doesn't mean that no fraud occurred
 
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Yes, the point was to negate Shirley's claims, not to find the truth.
They were checking the truth of Shirley's claims - something for which there is a genuine community need, given the threats and harassment being reported by many daycare facilities in the area (including those not even mentioned - probably because many daycares have similar-sounding names). The hunger for instant gratification in everything is a genuine problem in our society - it leads people to jump on the first information that they see and deem it truth, and it results in people like you complaining when investigations take more than just a few hours. You used to be a cop - I know you know that real investigative work takes time.
Having a license doesn't mean that no fraud occurred
I never said that it did. But it (and the fact that these facilities have all been subjected to unannounced inspections relatively recently, and the fact that the one facility they got to agree to them coming had children there) does suggest that the claim that the facilities had no children at them was a lie. Which is the only claim that I was trying to debunk by posting that article (because that was the only claim made in the post I was responding to).
 
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They were checking the truth of Shirley's claims - something for which there is a genuine community need, given the threats and harassment being reported by many daycare facilities in the area (including those not even mentioned - probably because many daycares have similar-sounding names). The hunger for instant gratification in everything is a genuine problem in our society - it leads people to jump on the first information that they see and deem it truth, and it results in people like you complaining when investigations take more than just a few hours. You used to be a cop - I know you know that real investigative work takes time.

I never said that it did. But it (and the fact that these facilities have all been subjected to unannounced inspections relatively recently, and the fact that the one facility they got to agree to them coming had children there) does suggest that the claim that the facilities had no children at them was a lie. Which is the only claim that I was trying to debunk by posting that article (because that was the only claim made in the post I was responding to).
Yes investigations take time. Hopefully someone will do one.
 
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That wasn't the claim. Supposedly, there was "no one there." Clearly, that was a lie. And if Jack Shirley lied about one place, who's to say he wasn't lying about all the others?

What makes you think he was lying? He didn't see or hear any children there. And based upon the amount of money they are getting they should have quite a few. Its obvious this is a scam on the American people. The Somalis will lie to your face. This isn't just one daycare thing. There were numerous daycare, many right next door or across the street. Then we have the autism scam. Minnesota knows what is going on. They are just trying to cover their butts on this.
 
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All but two had active licenses, and all licensed facilities had been visited by state regulators in the past six months - one as recently as a few weeks ago.

Of course they did. Thats why they are getting the money. They arw a licensed fraudulent daycare that is scamming the taxpayers. And state regulators are letting them get away with it. Covering for them.
 
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What makes you think he was lying? He didn't see or hear any children there.
1. I have no reason to take him at his word.
2. "I did not see or hear any children" does not mean "there are no children present". I used to have to walk past a daycare multiple times a day on a daily basis. I never heard or saw any kids except when parents were dropping off/picking up.
3. Time-stamped surveillance footage shows children being dropped off and picked up at normal times at the facility

Take a step back - if some random dude showed up at your kids' daycare demanding to come in and look around, would you want the staff to let him in?
 
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1. I have no reason to take him at his word.
2. "I did not see or hear any children" does not mean "there are no children present". I used to have to walk past a daycare multiple times a day on a daily basis. I never heard or saw any kids except when parents were dropping off/picking up.
3. Time-stamped surveillance footage shows children being dropped off and picked up at normal times at the facility

Take a step back - if some random dude showed up at your kids' daycare demanding to come in and look around, would you want the staff to let him in?

Lying is different. Lying is knowing the truth but saying the opposite. He didn't say there were no children at the ABC day care. I watched the video. The guy that was with him said he had never seen a child at the day care. The only thing he'd seen was a couple of dudes outside smoking. The daycare had all the windows blacked out and the door was locked. He knocked on the door and a lady spoke to him through the closed door. He said he wanted to put a child in daycare and the lady asked why. He asked to speak to the manager and the lady said no. That was the end of the conversation. So Nick never said there were no children there.

You shouldn't accuse someone of lying without checking your facts first.

I actually have no problem with day cares not letting random dudes in. But the fact is there still is massive fraud going on.
 
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Lets just be honest. Under the Dems instituational fraud has been happening. They have shown they are completely incapable of governing. Minnisota is not the only State and there will be others. This is the biggest fraud in US history and the Dems pretend its nothing. In fact defend the fraudsters.

Whats even more telling is that Waltz was their vice presidential candidate. Which shows they were either completely ignorant to his mismanagement. Or they knew of his overseering of fruad and were still willing to pretend he was their best canadidate. This exposed how their ideology blinded them from reality. A dangerous combination and one that has caused untold damage.
 
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Lying is different. Lying is knowing the truth but saying the opposite. He didn't say there were no children at the ABC day care. I watched the video. The guy that was with him said he had never seen a child at the day care. The only thing he'd seen was a couple of dudes outside smoking. The daycare had all the windows blacked out and the door was locked. He knocked on the door and a lady spoke to him through the closed door. He said he wanted to put a child in daycare and the lady asked why. He asked to speak to the manager and the lady said no. That was the end of the conversation. So Nick never said there were no children there.

You shouldn't accuse someone of lying without checking your facts first.

I actually have no problem with day cares not letting random dudes in. But the fact is there still is massive fraud going on.
Here at ~3:10-3:20 he seems to allege that there were no children.

 
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I find it ironic that people are more concerned about showing that these day care centers are legit than being outraged by the billions of stolen tax payers money. Thats how the Dems roll. They want to turn the focus on race and pretend its all a storm in a tea cup. Rather than being outraged.

They do this with all issues. Side with criminals and radical terrorist and anyone who is opposing the West. Its a crazy mentality that these radicals are pushing.

Which reflects back on why this fraud went on for so long even after they become aware. They don't like fiscal responisibility and like to give away other peoples money to win votes.

Its that social;ist welfare State mentality where everyone deserves free stuff even illegals so that some DEI utopia is created. Its easy when they can steal money to create their socialist utopia. Its always other peoples hard eraned money and they have no idea of reality.

This is a blight on the current Dems as a party at the moment. A failed ideology and ideological overreach. Just like it failed with trans and DEI and the unreal candidtaes they put forward and all the corruption, lawfare and abuse that is now coming out.

And there will be more no doubt about that.
 
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At least one of them did:
Yes, I'm sure many more are doing the right thing. But me must tear good people down to please Trump and his supporters.
 
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Here is the original video of this guy Nick Shirley and his investigator. The investigator has spent the last 10 years investigating these child care centers. He lives in the area and in fact his office is near some of these day care centers. He has been a whistle blower and other whistle blowers have been actively denied and even threatened.

They expose several day care centers without any children. They go there live during the week days in business hours. Some are advertised as open 7 days a week from 8am to 10pm. But no one is at any of these centers.

One after the other showing no children. The investigator shows the centers cars that have been parked and unmoved for months in the carparks out front. They show 22 registered child care centers at the same address in some industrial complex that has no childrens play areas or any sign of life.

This includes the so called 'Learing Center'. Which the misspelling is another red flag. All these red flags ignored and were going on under the nose of Waltz and the Dems who backed him.

Oh and the neighbour who has lived there for the last 8 years states that they have seen no kids or activity as a child care center.

Then there is the use of government paid transport for healthcare which has no records of who was transported. Millions of dollars unaccounted for. And guess what once again the vast majority registered in the same names as the daycare centers. Its systematic and its obvious.

You even have radicals calling Shirley an Ice agent lol. While they totally ignore the fact that fraud is going on under their noses. They prefer to attack those who expose the fruad than admit it. Because its all ideological overreach. They have allowed their political beliefs to blind themn from reality.

So its very understandable that Shirley would be highly suspect about the day care center in question as there are red flags everywhere and anyone with an ounce of commonsense can see this.

It also seems they are claiming they were robbed and all their records of children has been stolen. Nothing else. I bet the the security cameras are not working either. There are red flags everywhere.

Now we know why the Dems were so against DOGE because they knew this was going to expose the corruption and fraud they had been engaging in.


Theres another allegation on this care center. While Nick was exposing this fraud someone pulled up and was shuffling kids into the center right before the camera by the owners. Yet the administration has said that this center was closed. Which shows it was staged for the cameras. If this is correct then this is another massive red flag of guilt.
 
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