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Apostasy - what is it?

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Apostasy is not being lukewarm or backslidden, it has nothing to do with the spiritual condition of a church or the lack of devotion of an individual. It is not false doctrine or heresy and has nothing to do with the church whatsoever.

The ONLY places we can go to understand 'apostasy' is 2Thes. 2 and Acts 21 because that's the only two places the word is used in the NT.

Christian's have the preconceived idea that apostasy is a defection from sound doctrinal truth. Why would a defection from truth 'within the church,' create the conditions that would reveal the man of sin and cause people to accept him?

Every other religion view apostasy as abandoning their former political or religious affiliation and accepting another, or nothing at all. It's a revolt and rebellion and a total abandonment of your previous affiliation.

Notice how other religions define apostasy and how those definitions are similar. It's only the Christian definition that's different.

This is the web definition of apostasy.
Apostasy - (noun)
1. The act of abandoning a party or cause.
2. The state of having rejected your religious beliefs, political party, cause or sports team in favor of opposing beliefs, causes or teams.
3. A defection, renunciation, disaffiliation, abandonment or revolt from a previous association.
4. (Islamic definition) Rejection in word or deed of one's former religion.
5. (Christian definition) To fall away from the truth.
It's a political or religious revolt and will take place in Islam.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 from the word 'except' in verse 3c, to the end of verse 12, he church/Christians are not implied in any way. In fact, the words "but we" in verse 13 prove that this is about the followers of the man of sin.

The word 'but' is a conjunction that shows distinction and opposition to a previous statement. It opposes persons to persons or things previously mentioned or thought of. The distinction in this passage is between the followers of Christ as opposed to the man of sin and his followers. The church is not implied whatsoever. Now we beseech you, brethren, by word of increasing interest found twice in the NT. (Acts 21:21; 2Thes. 2:3 It comes from the Greek apostasia a late form of apostasis, originally to desert a post or station in life. It is used of Plutarch of political revolt and is found in the OT in the sense of revolt against the Lord. (Josh. 22:22) Antiochus Epiphanes enforced an apostasia from Judaism to Hellenism (1 Macc 2:15)

In the AV it is translated "falling away" in relation to the man of sin or antichrist. In this sense the thought is of religious revolt. Cremer states that apostasia is used in the absolute sense of "passing over to unbelief," thus a dissolution of the "union of God subsisting through Christ." Amdt adds rebellion or abandonment in the religious sense. On the nature of apostasy there are lengthy articles in both the JewEnc and the CE developing an extensive doctrine of apostasy.

In the NT. 2 Thes 2:3 is part of a prophetic passage of apocalyptic character. The falling away invites conjecture about whom and from what. The event seems future and thus related to antichrist. The implication is that the apostates will welcome the man of sin.

Now look at what Vine's say's...
"a defection, revolt, apostasy," is used in the NT of religious apostasy; in Act 21:21, it is translated "to forsake," lit., "thou teachest apostasy from Moses." In 2Th 2:3 "the falling away" signifies apostasy from the faith. In papyri documents it is used politically of rebels.
(I disagree that it's an apostasy from the faith)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Apostasy (Greek ???, apo, "away, apart", ??????, stasis, "standing") is the formal renunciation of one's religion.
 

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Bible scholars like John MacArthur, David Jermiah, Hal Lindsey, and a host of others are an abomination to the Lord because they attribute this to the APOSTATE Church and esp. Catholicism. (There is no such thing as the apostate Church) They demonized God's Church and Christians have fallen for it because Christians believe these EXPERTS. They think they're the ones in the KNOW so they accept their teachings line, hook, and sinker.

"The secret power of lawlessness; the lawless one; whom the Lord Jesus will destroy; counterfeit signs, miracles, and wonders; every sort of evil that deceives those who "are perishing" who refuse to love the truth and so be saved; and delight in wickedness; and God sends them powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie!"

Does the passage sound like the Church? Why would God send His own Christians powerful delusion? to attribute this to the end-time church is blasphemy and say's nothing good about the power of God's Holy Spirit whom He says He will pour out in the last days! To teach that this is the kind of thing God's church will support in the last day's is blasphemy. Why would anybody want to convert to Christ knowing that the church teaches it goes bad, accepts and produces the man of sin, becomes an end-time harlot. This is self-demonization.
 
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Sequence of events.

1. Gog/Magog.event,

2. then Antichrist person anointed the King of Israel, thought to be messiah,

3. false messianic age of the world saying "peace and safety" begins. The great falling away in Christianity of believing Jesus is the messiah takes place, of believing that the Antichrist is the messiah instead.

4. 3 yrs, thereabouts, into the false messianic age, the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act of 2Thessalonians2:4, revealing himself as the man of sin, and not the messiah after all.


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The Apostasy, in context, appears to refer back to the Little Horn of Dan 7, who is the Antichrist. He opposes God's Kingdom, which is coming through the Son of Man when he descends from the clouds.

Like Antiocus 4 he will try to coerce the People of God, which today is the international Church, into abandoning the standards of true faith. As Antiochus tried to persuade the Jews to abandon orthodoxy for Hellenism, so the Antichrist will, in Europe, try to persuade nominal Christianity to follow his own enlightened ways, which he will claim are the ways of God. He will claim to be Deity in the flesh, just as Jesus did.

The abandonment of true Christianity for a weakened, nominal form of Christianity has been taking place for centuries now. It has happened in one Christian country after another, and ultimately, Christian Civilization will be turned towards the Antichrist, as we've been seeing the Christian culture lose its standards of faith for some time now.

When Antichrist succeeds in taking control of all Europe, by defeating 3 European leaders, and appropriating 10 allies, then we will see the full fruits of the Apostasy Paul spoke of. My opinion only...
 
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When Antichrist succeeds in taking control of all Europe, by defeating 3 European leaders, and appropriating 10 allies, then we will see the full fruits of the Apostasy Paul spoke of. My opinion only...




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Though that is, perhaps, as respectable an interpretation as any other, among those who believe the Bible, I've disagreed for a long time on a future "70th Week of Daniel." I used to hold that position but gave it up due to its irrationality, as I came to see it. Once the 70th Week is removed from the previous 69, there ceases to be a Prophecy of a 70 Week Period!

But we do agree, apparently, that Antichrist rules over the EU? And I do think the Gog/Magog Prophecy is somehow also figured into this, though it seems more like to me to take place at the end. In fact, I think it possible that the king of Russia will be the Antichrist. But I don't know...

I suppose I'm waiting for more information to come in. I'm very familiar with all of these prophecies, but somehow I feel that God just hasn't given me the whole picture yet. I await His revelation in His own time.
 
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