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Asking AI to explain Sunday observance when NT has no such command

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Yes and? The Sabbath is on the seventh day Exo20:10 it says the Sabbath, it does not say daily anywhere because the definition for the Sabbath has never been daily. It says nothing about feast days or it being daily.

The yearly sabbath(s) feasts days can be on any day of the week, those were abolished at the Cross as Jesus came to put an end to all animal sacrifices and offerings Dan9:27 Heb10:1-10 they were included in all of the feast days that some were also called sabbath(s) they were shadows as they came after sin and pointed to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

The Sabbath started at Creation and was part of God's perfect plan and continues on for eternity according to God.

You can believe as you wish, but this really is not that hard to follow if one really wants to understand what God's will is. Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath would not end Mat24:20-30 and shown continuing for eternity for His saints. If you wish to believe Paul spoke over Christ and ignore all the context Paul gave that can be one frees will, its not mine.

Unless something new comes up I will leave it as agree to disagree and it will get sorted out soon enough.
No you’re saying that Isaiah 66:23 says from one sabbath to another but that’s not what the text actually says. It says from new moon to new moon and from sabbath to sabbath. It doesn’t say from one sabbath to another. That’s the point I’m trying to make.
 
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I do not think you're following. All feasts and sacrifices were abolished at the Cross. Col2:14-17 Heb10:1-10

There is no mention of feast anywhere in Isa66:22-23 it simply means New Moon or Month. Unlike the word for feast in Col2:16 because that was the context and what Jesus came to end Dan9:27 not the Ten Commandments. Isa 42:21

Col 2:16 New Moon
†νουμηνία noumēnía, noo-may-nee'-ah; feminine of a compound of G3501 and G3376 (as noun by implication, of G2250); the festival of new moon:—new moon.

Isa 66:23 New Moon
חֹדֶשׁ chôdesh, kho'-desh; from H2318; the new moon; by implication, a month:—month(-ly), new moon.
But Paul said no one is to act as our judge in regard to a new moon. But you’re saying that we must still sabbath on the new moon.
 
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No you’re saying that Isaiah 66:23 says from one sabbath to another but that’s not what the text actually says.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

It says from new moon to new moon and from sabbath to sabbath. It doesn’t say from one sabbath to another. That’s the point I’m trying to make.
And when is the Sabbath? Its a reoccurring intervals that takes place on the seventh day, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord Exo20:10 On the Sabbath, not daily, you are trying to remove the word God placed there the Sabbath which means the seventh day. Exo20:10 If the Sabbath ended as you keep trying to make a case for, God would no longer use it, but He did because it did not end, thus saith the Lord, not after His Cross Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 Mat24:20-30 not in the New Heaven and New earth Isa66:22-23. God made the Sabbath at Creation and is according to His perfect plan before sin. God makes no mistakes, man does
 
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But Paul said no one is to act as our judge in regard to a new moon.
Over what are shadows Heb10:1-10 what God came to put an end to Dan9:27. God is our Judge, not man.
But you’re saying that we must still sabbath on the new moon.
I never said anything about keeping the Sabbath on the New Moon, the New Moon just means month. And I didn't say it would be kept God did. I believe what He says matters above anyone else. Its really what this comes down to, taking Paul out of context that speaks over God or following what Jesus said to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. How many thus saith the Lords do we have that God said to keep His Sabbath day holy and not profane it. It left an entire generation out of their promised rest Eze20:13 Eze20:15-16, God said it was rebellion and going after an idol and we are told plainly not to follow in that same path of disobedience Heb3:7-19 Heb4:11 Paul did not change God's times and laws Dan7:25 I see why there is such a huge warning about his writing.
 
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Many don't realize that the Isaiah 66 verses are just another way of stating from one month to another and and one week to another in a language and time frame people would understand. And it means continued worship. We don't need a day set aside to do so.

We also can't leave out the importance of "one moon to another"

Verses like this prove it to be true


Revelation 21:3 "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God."
 
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Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.


And when is the Sabbath? Its a reoccurring intervals that takes place on the seventh day, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord Exo20:10 On the Sabbath, not daily, you are trying to remove the word God placed there the Sabbath which means the seventh day. Exo20:10 If the Sabbath ended as you keep trying to make a case for, God would no longer use it, but He did because it did not end, thus saith the Lord, not after His Cross Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 Mat24:20-30 not in the New Heaven and New earth Isa66:22-23. God made the Sabbath at Creation and is according to His perfect plan before sin. God makes no mistakes, man does
Your biggest problem with your hermeneutics is you don’t pay any attention to sentence structure and grammar usage. You just see words and put them in whatever order you want and ignore grammatical details. Like for example your interpretation of Colossians 2:16, you see the words food and drink and automatically go right to the idea that this sabbath that Paul is talking about must be in reference to food or drink but that’s not how the statement is structured at all. The word OR is used in two ways. It either indicates an alternative of choices, or it indicates a list of categories or subjects. In this example it’s not giving alternative choices, it’s giving a list of categories or subjects. In this format each category or subject can be paired with the beginning of the statement by itself to form a complete sentence. It’s basically shortening a series of statements into one statement.

No one is to act as your judge in regard to food.

No one is to act as your judge in regard to drink.

No one is to act as your judge in regard to a festival.

No one is to act as your judge in regard to a new moon.

No one is to act as your judge in regard to a sabbath day.

But you see the words food and drink and festival and forget all about how the word OR is actually used in a sentence jump to this idea that this means a sabbath that is in reference to food and drink and a festival. That’s not how sentence structure and grammar works. You can’t just jumble around words any way you want and formulate a conclusion based on the order you prefer the words to be in. And you know this, I’ve probably read over a hundred of your posts and I don’t see and grammatical errors or problems understanding sentence structure in your posts. So what is it about this particular sentence that causes you to rearrange the wording in order to formulate an alternative conclusion?
 
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Many don't realize that the Isaiah 66 verses are just another way of stating from one month to another and and one week to another in a language and time frame people would understand. And it means continued worship. We don't need a day set aside to do so.

We also can't leave out the importance of "one moon to another"

Verses like this prove it to be true


Revelation 21:3 "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God."
Yeah it makes no sense to even include the statement about a new moon if it’s only saying that we will worship every sabbath. The new moon part has nothing to do with that statement.
 
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I never said anything about keeping the Sabbath on the New Moon, the New Moon just means month. And I didn't say it would be kept God did.
God also said that no one is to be our judge in regard to food or drink or a festival or a new moon or a sabbath day, unless you don’t think that Paul was just as much of a prophet as Isaiah was.
 
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Many don't realize that the Isaiah 66 verses are just another way of stating from one month to another and and one week to another in a language and time frame people would understand. And it means continued worship. We don't need a day set aside to do so.
"from Sabbath to Sabbath" is not the way to omit the detail about the Sabbath

  1. Exodus 13:10
    Therefore, you shall keep this ordinance at its appointed time from year to year.
  2. Judges 21:19
    So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the LORD from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.”
  3. 1 Samuel 2:19
    And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.

We also can't leave out the importance of "one moon to another"
At the time of the New Earth there are TWO creation events. See Rev 21:1-3. Two Creation memorial cycles is not unreasonable.

In any case , have one such event now and scripture says God specifically sanctified it, set it apart a "The Holy day of the Lord" dedicated to Him for worship events. Especially corporate worship events.
Verses like this prove it to be true


Revelation 21:3 "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God."

scripture talks about the saints building and planting in the New Earth. Having a formal day of rest and worship is not out of the question. The idea that the saints wont be doing anything but spending time in corporate worship for all eternity is not what the Bible depicts

Not eating some special delicacy every hour makes the times when we do partake of it that much more special.

1 Thess 5:17 we are to "pray without ceasing" but we don't spend 100% of our time in a formal prayer service.
 
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Yeah it makes no sense to even include the statement about a new moon if it’s only saying that we will worship every sabbath. The new moon part has nothing to do with that statement.
It is two distinct cycles, not "every day", not "daily".

In the New Earth it is both New Moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath just as the text says
 
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God also said that no one is to be our judge in regard to food or drink or a festival or a new moon or a sabbath day
Christ said in Matt 7 not to judge others.

The rule was the same before the cross , as afterwards.
 
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No you’re saying that Isaiah 66:23 says from one sabbath to another but that’s not what the text actually says. It says from new moon to new moon and from sabbath to sabbath. It doesn’t say from one sabbath to another. That’s the point I’m trying to make.
From "Sabbath to Sabbath" is the same as "from one Sabbath to another" Is 66:23 KJV

And in Acts 18:4 we see them meeting "every Sabbath" with both gentiles and Jews in worship and Gospel preaching services.

How would Isaiah's readers view his text ? (I.e. Exegesis)

For an Israelite in the 8th century BCE, the word “Sabbath” (šabbāt) had a single, unambiguous meaning: the seventh day of the week, commanded in the Torah and central to covenant identity.

There is no evidence that Israelites used “Sabbath” to mean a generic weekly event. The Sabbath was a fixed, sacred time, not a metaphor.

This is reinforced by the fact that Isaiah elsewhere treats Sabbath as a concrete practice, not a symbol (e.g., Isaiah 56:2, 6; 58:13–14)
 
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If "every Sabbath" worship and gospel teaching services in the NT (Acts 18:4) are insufficient to see Sabbath after the cross
If "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" in the New Earth (Is 66:23), is insufficient to see Sabbath observance after the cross

What about having no text at all calling Christians to "worship from week day one to week day one" or "every week day one we meet for worship and gospel teaching"?
 
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"from Sabbath to Sabbath" is not the way to omit the detail about the Sabbath

  1. Exodus 13:10
    Therefore, you shall keep this ordinance at its appointed time from year to year.
  2. Judges 21:19
    So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the LORD from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.”
  3. 1 Samuel 2:19
    And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.


At the time of the New Earth there are TWO creation events. See Rev 21:1-3. Two Creation memorial cycles is not unreasonable.

In any case , have one such event now and scripture says God specifically sanctified it, set it apart a "The Holy day of the Lord" dedicated to Him for worship events. Especially corporate worship events.


scripture talks about the saints building and planting in the New Earth. Having a formal day of rest and worship is not out of the question. The idea that the saints wont be doing anything but spending time in corporate worship for all eternity is not what the Bible depicts

Not eating some special delicacy every hour makes the times when we do partake of it that much more special.

1 Thess 5:17 we are to "pray without ceasing" but we don't spend 100% of our time in a formal prayer service.
How often do you build your house or work in your garden? Is that an all day everyday task?
 
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Your biggest problem with your hermeneutics is you don’t pay any attention to sentence structure and grammar usage. You just see words and put them in whatever order you want and ignore grammatical details. Like for example your interpretation of Colossians 2:16, you see the words food and drink and automatically go right to the idea that this sabbath that Paul is talking about must be in reference to food or drink but that’s not how the statement is structured at all. The word OR is used in two ways. It either indicates an alternative of choices, or it indicates a list of categories or subjects. In this example it’s not giving alternative choices, it’s giving a list of categories or subjects. In this format each category or subject can be paired with the beginning of the statement by itself to form a complete sentence. It’s basically shortening a series of statements into one statement.

No one is to act as your judge in regard to food.

No one is to act as your judge in regard to drink.

No one is to act as your judge in regard to a festival.

No one is to act as your judge in regard to a new moon.

No one is to act as your judge in regard to a sabbath day.

But you see the words food and drink and festival and forget all about how the word OR is actually used in a sentence jump to this idea that this means a sabbath that is in reference to food and drink and a festival. That’s not how sentence structure and grammar works. You can’t just jumble around words any way you want and formulate a conclusion based on the order you prefer the words to be in. And you know this, I’ve probably read over a hundred of your posts and I don’t see and grammatical errors or problems understanding sentence structure in your posts. So what is it about this particular sentence that causes you to rearrange the wording in order to formulate an alternative conclusion?
The biggest problem is not looking at the context of what Paul is speaking, which he explained, things that were shadows and the bible tells us what those were Heb10:1-15, exactly what He foretold He would end Dan9:27 things that were contrary and against us, the Bible tells us what that is Deut31:24-26 handwritten ordinances, the Bible tells us who wrote those 2Chro33:8 how can the Sabbath be against mankind when Jesus said He made it for mankind? Basically with this teaching is saying God is against man from Creation right after He made man in His image.

When there is more than one definition to a word we need to look at context especially when it makes it contradict God and especially when it comes with a warning that people may misunderstand that has some serious consequences in doing so.. Sadly, people think its okay for Paul to speak over Christ and it voids out what He said, I am just not one of those people. God blessed, no man can take away Num23:20, because man is not God, never will be. There is not one verse in the entire Bible where God said we do not have to keep one of the Ten Commandments, He said Remember on the one everyone wants to forget. Coincidence, I do not believe so and if it wasn't important, He would not have said so.
 
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It is two distinct cycles, not "every day", not "daily".

In the New Earth it is both New Moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath just as the text says
Ok so we’re not on the New Earth right now. What makes you think that we are still obligated to observe the Saturday sabbath and what is your interpretation of Colossians 2:16?
 
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How often do you build your house or work in your garden? Is that an all day everyday task?
But its not before the Lord like you are claiming the saints will be 24/7 when Jesus said on the Sabbath.
 
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The biggest problem is not looking at the context of what Paul is speaking, which he explained, things that were shadows and the bible tells us what those were Heb10:1-15 things that were contrary and against, the Bible tells us what that was Deut31:24-26 how can the Sabbath be against mankind when Jesus said He made it for mankind?

When there is more than one definition to a word we need to look at context especially when it makes it contradict God and especially when it comes with a warning that people may misunderstand that has some serious consequences in doing so.. Sadly, people think its okay for Paul to speak over Christ and it voids out what He said, I am just not one of those people. God blessed, no man can take away Num23:20, because man is not God, never will be.
Paul specifically stated that the letters engraved in stone were a ministry of death. Does that sound like something that is for us? He also called it the ministry of condemnation. Again does that sound like something that is in our favor? He also said as glorious as the letters written on stone were they would fade away and what remains will be even more glorious.

But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭7‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So it seems to me that it’s not just the other sabbaths that would be done away with according to this passage.
 
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But it’s not before the Lord like you are claiming the saints will be 24/7 when Jesus said on the Sabbath.
I never said 24/7 I’ve already said in this thread that it could be referring to a daily worship.
 
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I never said 24/7 I’ve already said in this thread that it could be referring to a daily worship.
I know but the Scripture say coming before the Lord. The Bible already showed the saints will not be coming before the Lord 24/7 as they would be working. You're still trying to remove the Sabbath from this passage when God did not. Lets let God be God, He knows what He is doing and makes no mistakes.

I think we are at an impasse, all will get sorted out soon enough.

Be well.
 
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